Is OnePlus sketchy? I don’t really need to go with them because I do still have a fantastic S22 Ultra. I was just wondering for future reference. They’re now promising OS and security updates for a reasonable amount of time.
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At least in my books they are, unfortunately. I've had some of their devices and while the hardware is typically nice and fast, their software implementation leaves much room for improvement. For example, with the OnePlus 5 they promised a secure folder that's encrypted. What we actually got was a folder that had a scrambled naming and was hidden from the stock file manager (but naturally not from any 3rd party solution), but none of the contents was actually encrypted in any way despite OnePlus promising so.
They would've been much better off not promising any secure folder solution instead of offering a half-assed version that doesn't keep any computer-literate person away from their personal files. I'd rather take a "sorry, we don't support that" answer instead of a broken feature that gives a false sense of security.
The effects are so personal that the only way to know for sure is to try them. A phone that works for someone might be a disaster for another person and vice versa.
Yes I suppose you are correct. I don't even know if i can return my 14; I foolishly did not buy from Apple. I'm going to go to the store today to see if I can and if not I will just have to deal with it I guess!
I've battled dry eyes symptom for almost a year now. I really suspect it's due to my iPhone 13 Pro, which I bought in October 2021 to replace my old iPhone 7. I started to feel eye fatigue in April 2022, and haven't quite solved this issue even with eye drops prescribed by doctors. I'm thinking of selling my 13 Pro and going for an SE 2022. Any suggestions? I wonder if it's because of the OLED display, as I didn't experience any of the eye issues during my four years with iPhone 7.
It is a personal thing. From my experience, every OLED iPhone has given me issues to varying effect but all enough to not make it tolerable given the amount of time we have to use our phones nowadays. If you bought your phone in the UK even if not from Apple then I've found they're normally pretty good about returning for a full refund within 14 days of purchase.
It's possible that your phone is the problem but we also have a world filled with flashing LED lighting from modern light bulbs, TVs, car dash infotainment displays, laptops/monitors etc.
Perhaps you can stop using your 13 Pro for a week and go back to your iPhone 7 to either rule in or out the phone as the cause of eye fatigue?
I have had a Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus here for 3 days now. Despite the only 240Hz, it doesn't really cause me any problems. The display is excellent and my eyes are unresponsive. I am very surprised about that. I will test it further in the next few days. In any case, the Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus is an excellent smartphone. Haptics, design, performance, everything flawless. I also like OneUI now.
You can see in Zolotech’s new comparison video that the S23Ultra has a very noticeable flicker especially compared to the iPhone 14 Pro screen.
TBH for a flagship device that’s very poor by Samsung. Even Marcus Brownlee in one of his videos commented on all the S23s having a flicker to their screens.
TBH for a flagship device that’s very poor by Samsung. Even Marcus Brownlee in one of his videos commented on all the S23s having a flicker to their screens.
I own a iPhone 14 Pro and have no such issues. However, when in store the other day, looking at standard iPhones (13/14), I started to experience eye strain within seconds. Scrolling on one of those is just awful! I’ve been using OLED displays running at 120hz for years, thought that it was a minimum standard now.
I had to lock my 13 Pro screen to 60Hz to get rid of the eye strain issue on it.
Yeah that's what I'm trying. I will try a few days and see how it goes. However, since my iPhone 7 has a really poor battery life, I have to keep using my 13 Pro for some part of the day. I'm thinking of buying an iPhone SE though, and return it if it doesn't help with my eyes.
Personally, I think switching between OLED and LCD during the day will likely exacerbate eye strain if you have a sensitivity.
I did still feel eye strain today. Maybe I should try my best to minimize my time on 13 Pro and see how it feels. Thanks for the advice!My wife is doing good with smaller s23, while I feel eye strain after a few seconds…not the worst, but still quite noticeable.
She had issues with iPhones in stores too
Recently, a few Android phones from Chinese companies have released phones that specifically highlight the use of high frequency PWM, as well as DC Dimming; the latest one from Realme (Realme 10 Pro+) even comes with TÜV Flicker Free certification.
I've also come across a YouTube channel that does reviews of phones, and uses the Radex Lupin to test the flicker ratio %; they've done one on the Realme 10 Pro+: Realme 10 Pro+ PWM
The link is straight to the timestamp where the flicker ratio % is measured; it hovers at around 5% across the brightness range; this is the best overall brightness range phone I have come across; it seems what they've done, is to use 2160Hz PWM as brightness is reduced, but use DC Dimming at higher brightness ranges.
Another one is the Poco M5s: Poco M5s PWM
This one has an anti-flicker mode, and with it on, stays between 6 - 8% across the brightness range.
Of course, none of these are in the 1% range that LED phones are, however, they hover at around that 5% range that seems to be indicated for no risk/no effect (of course, people's sensitivities are different, and one might have to try them).
I'm tempted to try one of these, but outside of the fact that they're Android, they're also a Chinese company; what do people think about the risks associated with that?
From what I've read, it is known that Chinese companies' phones for the Chinese market have certain tracking and calling-home features turned off, whereas the same phones that are shipped to global markets have those turned off. The general consensus seems to be that if you're a "normal" person, you don't have anything to worry about.
I also recently checked out an iPhone 12, from a friend who upgraded to the 14PM; it seems to generally hover in the range of 5 - 10%, up to a brightness level of 30%; once it drops below 30%, it jumps up to a flicker ratio of 50% and above. This is, so far, the best ratio % of any iPhone, especially in the mid - high brightness range; unfortunately, I found that, due to the screens high nits, even in normal conditions (home, office), the auto brightness turns it down to below 30%, which gets you into the high ratio % range.
Also, the screen just looks yellow ish all the time, and the generally high intensity of the screen is an annoyance to me (especially when comparing them side by side with my 11).
I've also come across a YouTube channel that does reviews of phones, and uses the Radex Lupin to test the flicker ratio %; they've done one on the Realme 10 Pro+: Realme 10 Pro+ PWM
The link is straight to the timestamp where the flicker ratio % is measured; it hovers at around 5% across the brightness range; this is the best overall brightness range phone I have come across; it seems what they've done, is to use 2160Hz PWM as brightness is reduced, but use DC Dimming at higher brightness ranges.
Another one is the Poco M5s: Poco M5s PWM
This one has an anti-flicker mode, and with it on, stays between 6 - 8% across the brightness range.
Of course, none of these are in the 1% range that LED phones are, however, they hover at around that 5% range that seems to be indicated for no risk/no effect (of course, people's sensitivities are different, and one might have to try them).
I'm tempted to try one of these, but outside of the fact that they're Android, they're also a Chinese company; what do people think about the risks associated with that?
From what I've read, it is known that Chinese companies' phones for the Chinese market have certain tracking and calling-home features turned off, whereas the same phones that are shipped to global markets have those turned off. The general consensus seems to be that if you're a "normal" person, you don't have anything to worry about.
I also recently checked out an iPhone 12, from a friend who upgraded to the 14PM; it seems to generally hover in the range of 5 - 10%, up to a brightness level of 30%; once it drops below 30%, it jumps up to a flicker ratio of 50% and above. This is, so far, the best ratio % of any iPhone, especially in the mid - high brightness range; unfortunately, I found that, due to the screens high nits, even in normal conditions (home, office), the auto brightness turns it down to below 30%, which gets you into the high ratio % range.
Also, the screen just looks yellow ish all the time, and the generally high intensity of the screen is an annoyance to me (especially when comparing them side by side with my 11).
Yes, it seems to be the Chinese manufacturers that are taking this more seriously. The Xiaomi 13 set to be announced in the West this week apparently has DC dimming so would be interested to see how that performs.
I do not trust NotebookCheck anymore. Not after the discrepancies between the 14 and 14 Plus reviews.
Yes I agree with this. I don't think they're reliable at all. The Xiaomi 13 pro had it's Worldwide (bar the US) launch yesterday and Xiaomi themselves advertise a PWM only at 1920Hz which if true is worth trying. NotebookCheck say it's 120Hz. Surely Xiaomi have to advertise a genuine figure? It's pricey at 1049 British pounds but the specs look v good with a 1 inch sensor for the rear camera, 120w charging and Snapdragon 8 gen 2. Loathed to leave Apple but my iPhone 11 can only last so much longer.
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Heartbreaking. At this point, we just have to hope Apple figures something out before the SE3 is obsolete.Kuo: New iPhone SE With 6.1-Inch OLED Display and Apple's 5G Chip Planned
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Kuo: New iPhone SE With 6.1-Inch OLED Display and Apple's 5G Chip Planned
Apple has restarted development of a fourth-generation iPhone SE with a 6.1-inch OLED display and an Apple-designed 5G chip, according to the latest...
Rumor is that there will be an OLED display in iPhone SE (4th generation). Not good.
Terrible news. What do we do if this ends up being true? I guess I'll have to get the SE 2022 while available even though it's to small for me to type on or use for anything but phone calls and some occasional browsing the web, and then lug around an iPad. Except iPads are starting to use PWM again. My 11 won't last forever.
Apple have always been great with accessibility but they don't seem to care about flicker sensitivity.
Reading up on PWM again while looking for info on the S23 Ultra.
This hurts my brain.......
Assessment of the effect on the human body of the flicker of OLED displays of smartphones
This hurts my brain.......
Assessment of the effect on the human body of the flicker of OLED displays of smartphones