Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

[MICHAELSD]

Do you have anything at all like that with the iPad Pro- or is it flawless for you?

I want to say that it’s flawless. There is some concern in my head that the temporal dithering causes a little bit of sensitivity, but it’s so much better than an OLED that I can put up with it if it does. Spending too much time on an OLED iPhone oddly makes all other displays more uncomfortable, but I’m okay today since I used iPhone 15 Pro for maybe two minutes earlier. It makes me concerned about Apple reportedly switching to OLED on the next generation, which I’d normally be happy about but instead that will mark another product that we can’t use. I should be able to make this iPad work for the next 5-7 years, even with the base storage which I may have upgraded had I realized this would successfully become my main computer.

I’ve got to admit this thread reads differently on a display that doesn’t causes headaches, like the iPad Pro 11”. I understand how this must read to somebody who has zero issues with the newer iPhones.

My opinion suddenly shifts to if the iPhone causes headaches, don’t use it. Simple as that.

 

[morphism]

I think if anyone saw a microscopic slow motion video of what the flashing OLED pixels on any OLED display are doing constantly — they’d be appalled.

Yes, agreed. There is a Vision Pro article on the front page right now, and I can't imagine how awful it would be to have OLED displays strapped to your head for hours at a time, for, uh, whatever it is to be used for.

 

[jimmy_uk]

Notebookcheck has now listed the iPhone 15 Pro Max on his PWM ranking list. Also with 240 Hz

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So when I decided to try one iPhone this year I chose wrong. 😭

Any word on the 15 Plus from anyone currently trialing?

 

[now i see it]

Here’s info about the 240hz PWM from @from reddit the_top_g

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/eye-strain-while-using-iphone-x-and-up.2085427/page-361?post=32544651#post-32544651

 

[Artvandelay1212]

The Off button

How dare you! lol I think you're right though. Apple asked me to fill out a survey about the new phone and I mentioned PWM several times and that I'm most likely returning the phone for that reason. I urge others to fill it out too when buying a new phone.

 

[jm31828]

How dare you! lol I think you're right though. Apple asked me to fill out a survey about the new phone and I mentioned PWM several times and that I'm most likely returning the phone for that reason. I urge others to fill it out too when buying a new phone.

Oh dang, I never got a survey- but definitely will give that same feedback if I get one!

 

[5105973]

How dare you! lol I think you're right though. Apple asked me to fill out a survey about the new phone and I mentioned PWM several times and that I'm most likely returning the phone for that reason. I urge others to fill it out too when buying a new phone.

I used to get sent surveys with every iPhone purchase. I mentioned pwm last time and didn’t get a survey this time. Hmm

 

[5105973]

My 15 Plus isn’t due in until October 10th at the earliest. I’ll report in when I get it.

Meanwhile yeah I would also love to hear from anyone who is trialing one!

 

[now i see it]

I used to get sent surveys with every iPhone purchase. I mentioned pwm last time and didn’t get a survey this time. Hmm

They only want survey results from sycophants

 

[jm31828]

My 15 Plus isn’t due in until October 10th at the earliest. I’ll report in when I get it.

Meanwhile yeah I would also love to hear from anyone who is trialing one!

It's interesting that the online orders have such a long lead time, but yet stores have plenty of supply (at least on the regular and Plus models).

I was surprised when I decided last week to buy a 15 to try it out- it was a two week back order for delivery, but I just went that day to get one at my local store- every color was available.

Do they purposely direct most stock to stores to drive people there in hopes of making other purchases while there?

 

[kargurin]

Here’s info about the 240hz PWM from @from reddit the_top_g

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/eye-strain-while-using-iphone-x-and-up.2085427/page-361?post=32544651#post-32544651

That makes sense but notebookcheck doesn’t give you a definition in their table. Makes you wonder if they are standardizing their tests across all devices.

 

[5105973]

It's interesting that the online orders have such a long lead time, but yet stores have plenty of supply (at least on the regular and Plus models).

I was surprised when I decided last week to buy a 15 to try it out- it was a two week back order for delivery, but I just went that day to get one at my local store- every color was available.

Do they purposely direct most stock to stores to drive people there in hopes of making other purchases while there?

I tried to check my local stores but the pink color is not available for pickup. I just now tried to buy an Otterbox case that had a fulfillment date of October 31st!!! When I looked at it earlier I could have sworn the date was next week. Which is why I was reluctant to put my order in because I may not even be able to keep the phone. The delayed fulfillment date is therefore ideal for my purposes. But the store keeps crashing and won’t take my order! It errors out and says try again later.

 

[MICHAELSD]

If we can’t fix this on OLED, why not just do a 120Hz 460ppi Liquid Retina Display?

 

[now i see it]

Exactly-
iPhone 6 Plus and 6S Plus have very sharp 401ppi LCD screens with no dithering and nobody ever complained about them.

 

[MICHAELSD]

Exactly-
iPhone 6 Plus and 6S Plus have very sharp 401ppi LCD screens with no dithering and nobody ever complained about them.

Staring at this iPad display, which has 120Hz and a high enough PPI as it looks sharper than the display on iPhone SE, I would happily take this on an iPhone until Apple moves to a better display technology.

 

[du57in]

Exactly-
iPhone 6 Plus and 6S Plus have very sharp 401ppi LCD screens with no dithering and nobody ever complained about them.

An SE Plus would be absolutely incredible.

 

[MICHAELSD]

An SE Plus would be absolutely incredible.

At this point, it’s whatever—I’d buy this.

This was rumored for a while, but I think they figured this would cannibalize the rest of the lineup. Or at least the standard iPhone SE.

 

[2mw2]

Yes the OGSE screen was great too. Rock solid. I gave the 15 pro a spin last night on auto brightness with desaturated colours. No joy - it’s going back to Apple. Went to bed in the end with a burning sensation in the eyes. The 13 mini was about the best OLED screen as long as I didn’t use it too much. It’s going to be another year on the SE2022 for me.

 

[MICHAELSD]

Yes the OGSE screen was great too. Rock solid. I gave the 15 pro a spin last night on auto brightness with desaturated colours. No joy - it’s going back to Apple. Went to bed in the end with a burning sensation in the eyes. The 13 mini was about the best OLED screen as long as I didn’t use it too much. It’s going to be another year on the SE2022 for me.

I still think one of the reasons I enjoyed the 13 mini so much was that it had the most comfortable OLED display relatively, but comfortable still meant perpetual tension headaches.

I stand by the fact that an ultra low-modulation, flicker-free iPhone OLED would be the best-looking yet, but how many times can I state that?

 

[du57in]

At this point, it’s whatever—I’d buy this.

This was rumored for a while, but I think they figured this would cannibalize the rest of the lineup. Or at least the standard iPhone SE.

My guess is that, like the Apple Watch 3, Apple will keep selling the SE 2022 well past its prime and spring 2026 will see an iPhone 14 based SE.

 

[from reddit the_top_g]

Pwm frequency changes with brightness setting. Why do they not mention it? Or maybe my understanding is lacking.

I can answer that.

That is because iPhone 15 pro has a Temporal Light Modulation of 480 hertz while with a Pulse Width Modulation of (2 different) 240 hertz, as brightness is lowered.

I know it does sound confusing since some do interpret temporal light modulation and pulse width modulation as the same thing.

I will write up a post here explaining on this, and what is Apple’s stand on PWM and how they have responded shortly.

Thus, I hope someone again can save my comment for future referencing 😊

 

[MICHAELSD]

It is nice having a newer iPhone.

When it isn’t burning my retinas, the camera performance is phenomenal. Pairing that level of quality and HDR with the display looks ridiculous. This is significantly better than iPhone SE in terms of display, cameras, speakers, design, and well duh.

Headaches are worse under 15% brightness, while 30% isn’t too bad but not great.

Eventually we’ll be forced to accept this OLED PWM or move on from iPhone, but I assume there will be more improvements by the time that the last LCD iPhone SE is obsolete.

If I could keep this I would, to no one’s surprise. In fact, while I’m satisfied with the iPhone 15 Pro size, I will admit that I want more of this experience which is why I have iPhone 15 Pro Max in the back of my mind. If I could order one with a flicker-free option on Apple’s site I would do that and move on with my life. Unfortunately it’s difficult to say when this will be over and we’ll be able to purchase iPhones again without giving a second thought to headaches from a flickering display.

 

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Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max Display test

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[PwmMen]

The PWM frequency alone is not always crucial.
The iPhone 12 Pro also had a low frequency, and it didn't cause me any problems.
In addition, we all react differently to some extent. That's already difficult.
But I don't think that PWM flickering is harmful to your health. The underlying disease will be crucial.
If someone already has migraines and is generally sensitive, I would not recommend a PWM smartphone.
Everyone else who is otherwise healthy just has to see how they are coping and what symptoms there are.
I generally only use my smartphone with a maximum of 1 hour of active display time. I don't look at it anymore.
But I still want to use the latest technology when I need it, for example for photography and video recordings.
Basically, given my usage habits, an iPhone SE would be enough for me, but then I have outdated technology.
I hope that at some point we will all find a smartphone that has the latest technology and no PWM.

Is there anyone here who gets along better with the iPhone 15/Plus than with the iPhone 15 Pro/Max?

 

[DJTaurus]

The PWM frequency alone is not always crucial.
The iPhone 12 Pro also had a low frequency, and it didn't cause me any problems.
In addition, we all react differently to some extent. That's already difficult.
But I don't think that PWM flickering is harmful to your health. The underlying disease will be crucial.
If someone already has migraines and is generally sensitive, I would not recommend a PWM smartphone.
Everyone else who is otherwise healthy just has to see how they are coping and what symptoms there are.
I generally only use my smartphone with a maximum of 1 hour of active display time. I don't look at it anymore.
But I still want to use the latest technology when I need it, for example for photography and video recordings.
Basically, given my usage habits, an iPhone SE would be enough for me, but then I have outdated technology.
I hope that at some point we will all find a smartphone that has the latest technology and no PWM.

Is there anyone here who gets along better with the iPhone 15/Plus than with the iPhone 15 Pro/Max?

I truly believe that another contributing factor is that most of us have increased our screen time. In the past mine was 2-3 hours now is 3-5 hours a day. I mean our eyes are already stressed.