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now i see it

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If I interpret this correctly, the smoother waveform should be much better:

You can’t necessarily correlate nervous system thrashing with a particular waveform that may be visible on a measuring device.

For example:
The LCD iPhone 8 has a perfectly smooth modulation output according to any measuring device…. but there’s no way I can use that phone. It nails me every time (I have one). I also have a 6S Plus that doesn’t bother me at all.
 

du57in

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You can’t necessarily correlate nervous system thrashing with a particular waveform that may be visible on a measuring device.

For example:
The LCD iPhone 8 has a perfectly smooth modulation output according to any measuring device…. but there’s no way I can use that phone. It nails me every time (I have one). I also have a 6S Plus that doesn’t bother me at all.
You have to be able to objectively measure how changes to hardware and software affect light output. How that further affects individuals is all subjective. I said it "should" be better, but it isn't always.

So long as Apple is at least working on addressing the issue, in one way or another, that matters more than anything to me.
 

jimmy_uk

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You have to be able to objectively measure how changes to hardware and software affect light output. How that further affects individuals is all subjective. I said it "should" be better, but it isn't always.

So long as Apple is at least working on addressing the issue, in one way or another, that matters more than anything to me.
Are Apple making changes to address the issues for sensitive vision folk OR are they continually attempting to tweak Samsung's display technology to maximise battery life, OLED panel life/burn-in, and to maintain the Apple colour palette?

For example, Samsung allows their phone users to tweak all the colour settings of their displays, so you can achieve the look that is right for you. Apple has to take Samsung's candy colours OLED and make it look closer to their spec. These are the tweaks Apple are making in my opinion.
 
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pipapoh

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As a reminder, the only OLED iPhone that didn't give me any complaints until the iPhone 15 Pro Max
was the iPhone 12 Pro. I couldn't use any of the others at all because they immediately caused me problems.
The iPhone 15 Pro Max, on the other hand, is perfect, for whatever reason.
Thanks man, this is what I need to know. I'm in the same situation - tried all recent iPhones (before 15s came out) and the only one of the OLED-ones I could use was the 12 Pro, which I still use. Its so comfortable, that I dont use my Kindle Paperwhite to read, but my iPhone.
I know what to buy after this one, thanks.
 
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Gargamelus

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I'd rather try it out. technical data is bad for pro/max.
pwmen is an exception. There is no one else here who raves about it.
12 Pro had 60 Hz and similar amplitude to the iPhone 14/15/plus and not like the Pro/Max☠️ I find 15 pro Max just as bad as 13/14pro Max. The only acceptable thing is 15/plus, quieter, lower amplitude
 

pipapoh

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I see you point, but I neither did someone rave about the 12 Pro except him an me, so the chance we got similar eye-issues makes me confident. I tried the 13/14 and 14 Plus too, but couldnt stand it.
 

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Remember…. when two iPhones of the exact same model are compared side by side, sometimes one of them causes nervous system problems (eyestrain, headaches, dizziness etc) while the other one does not.
None of the iPhones are identical. It’s a crapshoot what you’ll get.

Which is why…. this problem likely never can be solved
 
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PwmMen

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In case it's interesting, I also have a Google Pixel 8 Pro.
This doesn't cause me any problems either, although I've never been able to use a Pixel with OLED before.
I'm very surprised that I'm so lucky this year. Both devices are also my favorite smartphones.
 

Gargamelus

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Remember…. when two iPhones of the exact same model are compared side by side, sometimes one of them causes nervous system problems (eyestrain, headaches, dizziness etc) while the other one does not.
None of the iPhones are identical. It’s a crapshoot what you’ll get.

Which is why…. this problem likely never can be solved

I can't confirm that with iPhones, I had two 13 pro/Max and even three 14 pro/Max and a 15 pm for several weeks. always the same eye strain.
 

jimmy_uk

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ًWe need famous youtubers to talk about this issue in order to see a really big change on IPhone 16
Apple would blackball them: never able to attend an Apple event again or receive review units ahead of release. This is why no famous youtubers bad mouth anything Apple (because the few that have been cut off).
 
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VadimVV

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You should be fine although some are reporting the iOS 17 may have introduced dithering to the XR, 11 and SE. I’ve not updated my 11 through fear of this.
Hi Jimmy!
Is there any confirmation or refutation of information about this, did Apple apply temporal dithering in IOS17 for Iphone 11?

I bought Apple watch Ultra 2, and it requires IOS17 to connect with my 11, so I have same fear of it.
 

jimmy_uk

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Hi Jimmy!
Is there any confirmation or refutation of information about this, did Apple apply temporal dithering in IOS17 for Iphone 11?

I bought Apple watch Ultra 2, and it requires IOS17 to connect with my 11, so I have same fear of it.
I cannot confirm as I dare not upgrade. I cannot afford to have my 11 not work for me eye strain-wise.
 
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Populus

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Unless you're developing an eye disease like cataracts or macular degeneration opticians are for the most part unnecessary.
Indeed, and I speak from experience.

Almost a year ago, when I was experiencing eye strain, eye irritation, red and teary eyes, and other issues due to a new screen (funny enough, it wasn’t an OLED display but a new iPad Pro), I went to an ophthalmologist, and she checked my retina for some kind of damage or detachment or macular degeneration, and before that they checked me for myopia/hyperopia/astigmatism. Nothing more (and nothing less).

Then, she said I had healthy eyes, maybe a bit dry but that was all. That’s when I asked her more concretely about screens, and told her that my issues started with a new screen.

She then told me that I should rely on trial and error, literally, because “we still know almost nothing about the consequences of regular use of screens, and we won’t probably know until, at least, ten years from now, when we will start seeing the consequences; until then, as I said, trial and error, if you notice a screen bothers you, return the device and try another model”.

So… yeah, ophthalmologists can do little in this regard, unless they are in a related research field, but as she said, there’s little research about this.
 

Populus

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If they release an LCD SE4, wherever you are in the world, listen out your window because you’ll hear me screaming for joy.
Hey, I’ve been thinking about this conversation lately, and I tell you all on this thread this:

If Apple releases an iPhone SE 4, with the body of the iPhone 14 (because cutting costs), the same A18 as the iPhone 16 (cutting costs thanks to high volume production), one single ducking camera (because ducking costs), at least 6GB of RAM (you know the deal), and a Liquid Retina LCD display (again, costs)…

I’LL DUCKING BUY IT DAY DUCKING ONE!!11!1’

QUACK 🦆

PS: No, I still haven’t updated my phone to iOS 17
 

Populus

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By the way, maybe if more people fill the iPhone Feedback with the suggestion of having in the future at least one LCD iPhone on the lineup (e.g. the iPhone SE), like I myself did a few weeks ago, we accomplish something good for our eyes, although most of the regular iPhone buyers will curse us LOL.

I’m sure this SE 4 is still in pre-production and maybe the decision of going LCD or a cheap/low quality OLED display hasn’t been made yet. Maybe, just maybe, we’re still in time.

I guess you all know the webpage of the iPhone feedback website, right?


Then, select “other”, and kindly ask for an LCD model, ideally the SE lineup, for future releases.
 

Abiyork

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Hi Jimmy!
Is there any confirmation or refutation of information about this, did Apple apply temporal dithering in IOS17 for Iphone 11?

I bought Apple watch Ultra 2, and it requires IOS17 to connect with my 11, so I have same fear of it.

I had first hand experience of the IOS17 effecting me on my Iphone 11.

I am slightly different to most. OLED Iphone 11 pro triggered a rare neurological headache condition (NDPH) and I will have it for life. I take a host of tablets to make pain manageable.

Thought I was safe with Iphone 11 but the pain broke through the drugs and I was gutted, until I realised it started when I updated IOS.

10 days after I was lucky to downgrade to IOS16 and my pain drifted back down to previous levels. Apple were also great and downgraded apple watch IOS to 9 from 10 as it wouldnt sync to my 11 after updates.

I am hyper sensitive since diagnosis. Hopefully you'll not have the same reaction but the option to roll back to IOS 16 has long gone and you'd be stuck unfortunately.
 
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Populus

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I had first hand experience of the IOS17 effecting me on my Iphone 11.

I am slightly different to most. OLED Iphone 11 pro triggered a rare neurological headache condition (NDPH) and I will have it for life. I take a host of tablets to make pain manageable.

Thought I was safe with Iphone 11 but the pain broke through the drugs and I was gutted, until I realised it started when I updated IOS.

10 days after I was lucky to downgrade to IOS16 and my pain drifted back down to previous levels. Apple were also great and downgraded apple watch IOS to 9 from 10 as it wouldnt sync to my 11 after updates.

I am hyper sensitive since diagnosis. Hopefully you'll not have the same reaction but the option to roll back to IOS 16 has long gone and you'd be stuck unfortunately.
When you say iPhone 11, are you referring to the OLED 11 Pro that triggered your condition? Or to a regular 11?
 

DJTaurus

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Yeah, I read that too. I don’t care, I’m not putting that on my iPhone.

I even used to have one of the best matte glass for iPad, and I had to remove it because it damaged the image quality.
If brightness is always at 90-100% isn’t it fine ?
 
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