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Similarly to what others have done, I ended up selling my XR (bought in US and sold Europe, so zero loss). I am not sure if Face ID was the culprit, but my 8+ is definitely better for reading. Yes, the size, the camera and the battery are better on the XR, but it is definitely not worth the upgrade if you want to read a lot lot on it.

I will change my 94% battery of the 8+ in December and hope for a 6.1 model next year with better resolution.

On the other hand, I have not sold my AP S4 yet, but it definitely causes me migraines and eye strain. I can feel it even watching it for just a few seconds. I guess I am particularly sensible.
I mainly use it to check my activity and sleep and to pay with apple pay, so I don’t look much at it at all. I am thinking about keeping it anyway.


I am curious about trying the new iPad pros now, I can get one for less than 200€, but at this point I might just stick with my “old” iPad 2018
 
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gaanee said:
Is there any particular reason why Apple chose 240 Hz PWM frequency which according to Notebookcheck review is low compared to other OLED screens and can affect people whose eyes are sensitive.
Is it because of difficulty in design or simply cost saving, lower power consumption reason?
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Lower power consumption which make sense cause of the small battery they are using on these large phones.
 
gaanee said:
Is there any particular reason why Apple chose 240 Hz PWM frequency which according to Notebookcheck review is low compared to other OLED screens and can affect people whose eyes are sensitive.
Is it because of difficulty in design or simply cost saving, lower power consumption reason?
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What other OLED phones can you find on that list that are above 240-260 Hz?

Link to the PWM benchmark list, filtered for only smartphones and sorted by screen type: https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-R...ion=1&showBars=1&sort=&type=screen_panel_type
 
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rnbarg said:
Because they didn’t care. Omniscient Apple always knows what’s best for customers inside their spaceship bubble. They also gave us keyboards on laptops with almost zero key travel, Very unsatisfying to use, in their slavish devotion to thinness.
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Yes. Try everything you commonly do on a phone.
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Yet... you keep buying their products.

Go figure. 🙄
 
AbSoluTc said:
Yet... you keep buying their products.

Go figure. 🙄
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Well I am not buying any more MacBook Pros because of the keyboard, no more iPhones this year, at least because of the OLED/XS/Max issues and lack of resolution on the XR, and no iPad upgrade this year and maybe not for a lot of years. So I am in fact voting w/my wallet. I just got a new iMac which I am very satisfied with and ditto for the Apple Watch 4 cellular which I love.
 
rnbarg said:
Well I am not buying any more MacBook Pros because of the keyboard, no more iPhones this year, at least because of the OLED/XS/Max issues and lack of resolution on the XR, and no iPad upgrade this year and maybe not for a lot of years. So I am in fact voting w/my wallet. I just got a new iMac which I am very satisfied with and ditto for the Apple Watch 4 cellular which I love.
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But the point is, you're still supporting the company you have grief with. So you're not voting with your wallet. You're still giving Apple money. 🙂
 
Apple is a great company and in general they make great products. What I originally said about Apple not caring was a bit tounge and cheek. I’m just not buying the products they are bringing out that I don’t like. I have owned 9 iPhones and 7 iPads. This is the first year I won’t be upgrading the phone because I’m disappointed what they are offering. Probably same with new iPad. I Will probably buy the latter just to try out it.
 
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BigBen2493 said:
So I tried the XS for awhile didn’t get a headache but when I was scrolling through a white screen with text on it a little fast my eyes did go blurry for a couple seconds, what’s that mean?
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Nothing. You are worrying too much.

Buy it and try it out.
 
BigBen2493 said:
So I tried the XS for awhile didn’t get a headache but when I was scrolling through a white screen with text on it a little fast my eyes did go blurry for a couple seconds, what’s that mean?
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It's normal on OLED screens for high contrast items (black text on white background, etc) to blur when scrolling. It's annoying, but it's not a big deal when you get used to it.
 
TDDM said:
It's normal on OLED screens for high contrast items (black text on white background, etc) to blur when scrolling. It's annoying, but it's not a big deal when you get used to it.
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Or not.
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BigBen2493 said:
I've heard this before lol
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Considering this thread is 95 pages long with hundreds of anecdotal reports of people having to go to medical specialists, this is no laughing matter.
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stafil said:
There is no alternative. Android, I.e. Google, is not an option some want to go.
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Very true. The most critical piece you simply cannot give up if you are entrenched within the Apple ecosystem is iMessage. It's just too powerful and too seamless, especially now that it is in the Cloud as well.

When you receive a message from someone where the text is green for plain SMS, you realize that the person is at a disadvantage, in terms of the length of a message they can send and what content can be sent. Google new rich messaging app is new and they have failed many times at this.

In the end, it's the quality of Apple's mobile and Apple TV applications and their seamless integration which makes switching nearly impossible.
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rnbarg said:
Apple is a great company and in general they make great products. What I originally said about Apple not caring was a bit tounge and cheek. I’m just not buying the products they are bringing out that I don’t like. I have owned 9 iPhones and 7 iPads. This is the first year I won’t be upgrading the phone because I’m disappointed what they are offering. Probably same with new iPad. I Will probably buy the latter just to try out it.
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I'm going on a coast to coast trip over Thanksgiving. I'm going to bring the 3rd Gen 12.9" iPad in tow and see what its like. Open mind, but suspect it will go back to Apple.
 
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stafil said:
There is no alternative. Android, I.e. Google, is not an option some want to go.
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There are alternatives, just not alternatives people want to use. There's a difference. It's fine if they want to use Apple and all that, just don't talk out the side of your mouth while doing it.

You can support a company and be critical but don't say you're going to vote with your wallet when you're really not.
 
rnbarg said:
Or not.
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Considering this thread is 95 pages long with hundreds of anecdotal reports of people having to go to medical specialists, this is no laughing matter.
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Very true. The most critical piece you simply cannot give up if you are entrenched within the Apple ecosystem is iMessage. It's just too powerful and too seamless, especially now that it is in the Cloud as well.

When you receive a message from someone where the text is green for plain SMS, you realize that the person is at a disadvantage, in terms of the length of a message they can send and what content can be sent. Google new rich messaging app is new and they have failed many times at this.

In the end, it's the quality of Apple's mobile and Apple TV applications and their seamless integration which makes switching nearly impossible.
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I'm going on a coast to coast trip over Thanksgiving. I'm going to bring the 3rd Gen 12.9" iPad in tow and see what its like. Open mind, but suspect it will go back to Apple.
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[doublepost=1542214044][/doublepost]I decided to get the new 12.9" 3rd gen iPad Pro yesterday and test it out against my 2nd Gen 12.9" model.

I found the same issues, though magnified considerably due to the size of the display, that I found with the iPhone XR. Like the XR, I noticed a slight bit of graininess in the text. Holding the 2nd and 3rd gen 12'9" models side to side, the text on the 3rd gen exhibited a slight blurriness at a normal viewing distance. I now question whether the difference between the 8 Plus and XR in text quality is entirely due to the higher PPI (401 vs 326) on the Plus or whether it's due to the design of the liquid retina LCD.

Moreover, I found the liquid Retina display of the 3rd Gen IPP to be harder on the eyes than the 2nd Gen. I just felt less comfortable, and the 3rd Generation IPP exhibits more glare.. I simply didn't like it and started feeling eye strain and getting a mild headache the more I used it.

The Touch ID when it worked was creepy. It's more intrusive to the senses than Touch ID because it blasts out a confirmation message whereas Touch ID is silent. On authenticating passwords, it was just as creepy and unwelcome.

There is also a flaw from the standpoint of ergonomics, at least for me with FaceID. I hold my iPad in landscape mode with two hands. It's very easy to authenticate with Touch ID on the 2nd Gen by simply placing my right finger on the home button when requested, which I can easily reach.

On the third Gen, Face ID returns an error if your hand is resting on/holding the center left side of the display in landscape mode if that happens to be where the front facing camera is. That’s a deal breaker fo me.

I kept the iPad for about an hour, initiated a return and dropped it off at FedEX.

I have now returned the XS Max, XR and 3rd generation iPad. This seems like the end of the line for me with these products. If the current ones stop working, I will have to get new ones or I will retire them and figure out how to get a Jump on Demand upgrade for the same 8 Plus phone, which will require a bit of planning.
 
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My 2 cents after buying yesterday XS - no headaches so far, but I had weird eyes feelings like many others. It seems turning off attention awareness remove/reduced this effect. Also true tone is on.
 
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odvan said:
My 2 cents after buying yesterday XS - no headaches so far, but I had weird eyes feelings like many others. It seems turning off attention awareness remove/reduced this effect. Also true tone is on.
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Have felt some back of eye strain but switching off attention awareness helped. True tone is very good as well with a good screen otherwise it looks terrible on bad screens I've handled.
 
rnbarg said:
[doublepost=1542214044][/doublepost]I decided to get the new 12.9" 3rd gen iPad Pro yesterday and test it out against my 2nd Gen 12.9" model.

I found the same issues, though magnified considerably due to the size of the display, that I found with the iPhone XR. Like the XR, I noticed a slight bit of graininess in the text. Holding the 2nd and 3rd gen 12'9" models side to side, the text on the 3rd gen exhibited a slight blurriness at a normal viewing distance. I now question whether the difference between the 8 Plus and XR in text quality is entirely due to the higher PPI (401 vs 326) on the Plus or whether it's due to the design of the liquid retina LCD.

Moreover, I found the liquid Retina display of the 3rd Gen IPP to be harder on the eyes than the 2nd Gen. I just felt less comfortable, and the 3rd Generation IPP exhibits more glare.. I simply didn't like it and started feeling eye strain and getting a mild headache the more I used it.

The Touch ID when it worked was creepy. It's more intrusive to the senses than Touch ID because it blasts out a confirmation message whereas Touch ID is silent. On authenticating passwords, it was just as creepy and unwelcome.

There is also a flaw from the standpoint of ergonomics, at least for me with FaceID. I hold my iPad in landscape mode with two hands. It's very easy to authenticate with Touch ID on the 2nd Gen by simply placing my right finger on the home button when requested, which I can easily reach.

On the third Gen, Face ID returns an error if your hand is resting on/holding the center left side of the display in landscape mode if that happens to be where the front facing camera is. That’s a deal breaker fo me.

I kept the iPad for about an hour, initiated a return and dropped it off at FedEX.

I have now returned the XS Max, XR and 3rd generation iPad. This seems like the end of the line for me with these products. If the current ones stop working, I will have to get new ones or I will retire them and figure out how to get a Jump on Demand upgrade for the same 8 Plus phone, which will require a bit of planning.
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Your conclusion is that eye strain is caused by the Liquid Retina technology and not FaceID, as far as i understand.

That would be actually quite good, as i feel FaceID will last longer than the current display technology
 
Why is this topic still going on? They’ve made an entire device for you guys! The Xr. If you eyes can’t handle OLED then use that. This issue does not affect everyone so I would be hard pressed to call it a “defect”. Just like some people are affected by flashing images and warnings are posted. Does that mean that they should remove any form of flashing imagery from cinematography just for the percentile that are affected??

Honestly, I could see your reasons for upset when the X was launched but they’ve now released an LCD version. If you wanna whine about the resolution and pretend you notice a deal breaking difference then move on over to Android. I’m sure there’s a device that will satisfy you. Otherwise grab a Xr and be done with it.

If people are claiming to suffer headaches from the Xr also then it could be something in the FaceID technology in which case I advise to either just use your pin and turn off FaceID or otherwise move on cause you’re outta luck.

I don’t think Apple has done anything wrong here. If your complaint is for them not including an appropriate health warning with their product (I’ve no idea) then by all means bring this to their attention as that IS an issue (I should note that a thread on a random discussion forum does not count as bringing it to their attention), although if said warning does already exist then the responsibility lies solely with you.

Long story short. Report it to Apple already, return your devices for now and stop beating a dead horse.
 
j800r said:
Why is this topic still going on? They’ve made an entire device for you guys! The Xr. If you eyes can’t handle OLED then use that. This issue does not affect everyone so I would be hard pressed to call it a “defect”. Just like some people are affected by flashing images and warnings are posted. Does that mean that they should remove any form of flashing imagery from cinematography just for the percentile that are affected??

Honestly, I could see your reasons for upset when the X was launched but they’ve now released an LCD version. If you wanna whine about the resolution and pretend you notice a deal breaking difference then move on over to Android. I’m sure there’s a device that will satisfy you. Otherwise grab a Xr and be done with it.

If people are claiming to suffer headaches from the Xr also then it could be something in the FaceID technology in which case I advise to either just use your pin and turn off FaceID or otherwise move on cause you’re outta luck.

I don’t think Apple has done anything wrong here. If your complaint is for them not including an appropriate health warning with their product (I’ve no idea) then by all means bring this to their attention as that IS an issue (I should note that a thread on a random discussion forum does not count as bringing it to their attention), although if said warning does already exist then the responsibility lies solely with you.

Long story short. Report it to Apple already, return your devices for now and stop beating a dead horse.
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Sliding over your opinion that people should stop discussing this in a forum because you say so......

At least films and TV that have flashing imagery have to put out a warning. Apple have do not and have not acknowledged any issues regarding their face id tech or OLED screens for "some users". Sure the percentage maybe very low but clearly there can be an issue for "some users".

Consumers can only find out once they've purchased the product and still may not realise it's their shiny new Apple device potentially causing an issue or discomfort.

Sure people can vote with their wallets and there is plenty of choice but it's is a worthy discussion that hopefully will hit Apples radar, or at the very least the press.

If we're dishing out "advice" then mine would be to avoid threads that annoy or trigger.
 
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