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C DM

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These threads are always the same - Apple apologists rush to defend Apple despite them having no affiliate to Apple (it's all rather sad).

I noticed my mother's iPhone 4S on iOS7 felt smoother than my iPhone 5S on iOS8 yesterday - it really surprised me, but it was. This is how iPhones and iOS is, it's called planned obsolescence.

This is the typical roadmap of iOS releases - first release is laggy, but Apple apologists insists it's fine, time goes by, people get used to the lag, Apple releases a small increase in speed/smoothness, Apple apologists finally claim the new iOS is back to being as smooth if not smoother than the last, everyone has forgot how much faster/smoother the previous iOS was at this point, any future claim that the previous iOS was smoother is met with "rose tinted Goggles" or "do a full restore" response.
You mean to say that these threads are always the same in that those with some issues assume everyone has them and therefore has to be upset, and if they aren't then they need to be put down and called "Apple appologists". Right? ;)
 

C DM

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Listen guys... I'm not saying iOS 8.4.1 is the best iOS ever... I just performs better than iOS 9 and 9.1 beta.

iOS 6 was great
iOS 7.1 good
iOS 8 sucks
iOS 9 sucks more

The other issue is once apple stops signing iOS 8.4.1, we won't be able to go back if we try iOS 9.x and don't like it.

So even if you wait until 9.2 comes out for all of the issues to be ironed out, it will be impossible by then to get back to 8.4.1 if 9.2 isn't your cup of tea.
What you seem to leave out in all of that is the "for me" part. It doesn't have to do anything with what others experience or how they perceive their use to be, which to them is more valid and meaningful than what you think about your own experience.
 

ProphetX

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If your install is laggy, try rebooting or a clean install. Set up as new. It could be something in your backup slowing the OS down. It could even be one of the apps slowing down the entire OS. Remember, developers have yet to release iOS 9 compatibility updates. They barely submitted those to apple this week.

To OP and his followers. Please stay away from unreleased software. Its NOT for you. Obviously.
 

C DM

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If your install is laggy, try rebooting or a clean install. Set up as new. It could be something in your backup slowing the OS down. It could even be one of the apps slowing down the entire OS. Remember, developers have yet to release iOS 9 compatibility updates. They barely submitted those to apple this week.

To OP and his followers. Please stay away from unreleased software. Its NOT for you. Obviously.
Well, to be fair, GM is basically the final version, so it's essentially the same as using what will be released in a few days.
 
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Zirel

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Every time Apple release a new iOS, this BS comes up from Apple hAters, like "everythingapplepro" on YouTube.

He's using apps that use Internet to load content, and he's using the old trick of taping a fraction of a second later on the iOS 9 device, wich gets second place in router priority.

He wants views, and bad news travels fast.
 

newellj

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Listen guys... I'm not saying iOS 8.4.1 is the best iOS ever... I just performs better than iOS 9 and 9.1 beta.

iOS 6 was great
iOS 7.1 good
iOS 8 sucks
iOS 9 sucks more

The other issue is once apple stops signing iOS 8.4.1, we won't be able to go back if we try iOS 9.x and don't like it.

So even if you wait until 9.2 comes out for all of the issues to be ironed out, it will be impossible by then to get back to 8.4.1 if 9.2 isn't your cup of tea.

My Air 2 was approximately equivalent on 8.x and 9. 9.1 is an improvement over both. Different devices (I am thinking of the 5S) may get different results, however.
 

sanke1

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I maintain, iOS 9 GM is running flawlessly on my 5S DFU install (set up as new). The only nitpick is that the control center is between 30-40 fps but it has not stuttered badly. Notification centre is cool 60 fps. Rest of the animations are between 50-60 fps.

No animation glitches or settings bug.

Those who are having issues with their 5S on 9 GM, well... tough luck to them. Thank god this is the first time I am having near perfect experience on x.0 version of Apple's update.

I complained so hard when iOS 8 GM rendered my 1 year old iPad Air 1 near non-usuable with extreme stutter and random reboots. But all is well here with 9.0 :)
 
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newellj

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Stay on iOS 8.4.1. That way you won't have to keep complaining post after post about how bad iOS 9 is.

Are you trying to convince others to not use iOS 9? If not, what is the point of trying to tell others that their positive experience with iOS 9 (as a whole) is not real?

There is an extremely vocal minority here who will tell you that anyone who is not incredibly displeased is, in their own words, (1) wrong, (2) blind and (3) an idiot.
 

zoneee

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If your install is laggy, try rebooting or a clean install. Set up as new. It could be something in your backup slowing the OS down. It could even be one of the apps slowing down the entire OS. Remember, developers have yet to release iOS 9 compatibility updates. They barely submitted those to apple this week.

To OP and his followers. Please stay away from unreleased software. Its NOT for you. Obviously.

Yeah too bad GM is the release version, so you are telling the OP and "his followers" to stay away from ios 9 release. lol.
 
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ProphetX

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Well, to be fair, GM is basically the final version, so it's essentially the same as using what will be released in a few days.


Most of these guys are using 9.1 and not the GM. They also haven’t installed in DFU mode. Beta’s aren’t for the basic user, which these people seem to be. Most people here that are devs or beta testers KNOW that lag in a new OS release can be fixed with a CLEAN DFU install or by several reboots. This is the norm around here. They need to understand that just because they may be experiencing lag doesn’t mean that EVERYONE is experiencing lag.
 

ProphetX

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The thread is about the 9.0 GM with many people even specifically referring to the GM, so most are actually using the 9.0 GM and not the 9.1 beta.

Did it ever occur to you that a lot of these newbs don’t know the difference? Because that seems to be the case. It took me 5min to realize this.
 

C DM

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Most of these guys are using 9.1 and not the GM. They also haven’t installed in DFU mode. Beta’s aren’t for the basic user, which these people seem to be. Most people here that are devs or beta testers KNOW that lag in a new OS release can be fixed with a CLEAN DFU install or by several reboots. This is the norm around here. They need to understand that just because they may be experiencing lag doesn’t mean that EVERYONE is experiencing lag.
I agree with most of that, which has already been talked about quite a bit in this thread...except the part about 9.1 vs GM doesn't seem to hold up though (again given what was mentioned about this thread being about the GM and people specifically referring to it).
 

C DM

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Did it ever occur to you that a lot of these newbs don’t know the difference? Because that seems to be the case. It took me 5min to realize this.
Or that many of them do and it's just an essentially baseless assumption you are making mostly to try to defend an incorrect earlier statement?
 

ProphetX

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Or that many of them do and it's just an essentially baseless assumption you are making mostly to try to defend an incorrect earlier statement?


Whatever, it doesn’t change the fact that they should try doing a clean install. If that doesn’t work try not using an existing back up. My first post was actually helpful. Instead of shooting it down try following suit.
 

Apple_Robert

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Did it ever occur to you that a lot of these newbs don’t know the difference? Because that seems to be the case. It took me 5min to realize this.
Or it could be the following...

1) Treating beta or GM candidate releases with retail consumer near flawless expectation
2) Having trouble with the beta OS with most apps loaded that haven't been optimized for iOS 9, and then blaming Apple for not living up to what they said in a statement or release speech.
3) Looking at the OS and reading on the internet about lag this, that, and the other or reviews etc. some start to (possibly) create problems that aren't really there. Instead of using the OS as one normally one, some get obsessed with trying to count milliseconds on an iPhone.
4) Some realize what they are using has some kinks and subtle quirks from time to time that will need to be ironed out (as it were). They don't expect perfection. They also don't spend their time trying to convince the rest of the forum that the current beta / GM build candidate is terrible and not living up to what other established OS, and that everyone should stay away.
 
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tzohar

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I'm not gonna start getting into the huge, fiery, personal arguments that many on these forums seem to get themselves into. I'm just here to add my personal experience and ask a simple question. It's beyond me, in all honesty, why our culture nowadays dictates that any discussion online, even one as simple as observations about OS issues, become huge shouting matches.

That all being said. I'm using the GM of 9.0 on my 6 Plus, which I updated directly from 8.4.1 (I don't dabble with beta so I went straight to GM) and I am experiencing three obvious issues: when clicking the home button (or power button), the display often takes an extra second to light up, which makes it seem as if the click didn't register at first; when tapping on an app, it takes an extra second to launch, which I didn't experience before; and finally, the app switches is very laggy, with the animation stuttering when scrolling and swiping within the switches.

None of these issues are appearing on my iPad Air 2, which is also running the GM.

And I suppose my question is, has anyone here experienced a real improvement after restoring their iPhone 6 Plus as new with the GM? I'm not a stranger to restoring devices as new (I did it with iOS 8 because of an unrelated issue), but honestly, I'd really rather avoid it because I don't quite have the energy to deal with a clean restore again this quickly and with the Apple Watch you're essentially then required to restore TWO devices as new and it's kind of a headache. I know those are all first world concerns, hahah. I just feel like I'd rather wait for 9.1 or a future update to fix the issues.
 

TommyA6

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I'm not gonna start getting into the huge, fiery, personal arguments that many on these forums seem to get themselves into. I'm just here to add my personal experience and ask a simple question. It's beyond me, in all honesty, why our culture nowadays dictates that any discussion online, even one as simple as observations about OS issues, become huge shouting matches.

That all being said. I'm using the GM of 9.0 on my 6 Plus, which I updated directly from 8.4.1 (I don't dabble with beta so I went straight to GM) and I am experiencing three obvious issues: when clicking the home button (or power button), the display often takes an extra second to light up, which makes it seem as if the click didn't register at first; when tapping on an app, it takes an extra second to launch, which I didn't experience before; and finally, the app switches is very laggy, with the animation stuttering when scrolling and swiping within the switches.

None of these issues are appearing on my iPad Air 2, which is also running the GM.

And I suppose my question is, has anyone here experienced a real improvement after restoring their iPhone 6 Plus as new with the GM? I'm not a stranger to restoring devices as new (I did it with iOS 8 because of an unrelated issue), but honestly, I'd really rather avoid it because I don't quite have the energy to deal with a clean restore again this quickly and with the Apple Watch you're essentially then required to restore TWO devices as new and it's kind of a headache. I know those are all first world concerns, hahah. I just feel like I'd rather wait for 9.1 or a future update to fix the issues.
Don't bother with restoring and setting up as new. It won't fix your 6 Plus. Unfortunately, 6 Plus simply isn't powerful enough to run smoothly all the time. Apple should have given it a 6-core GPU and 2 GB of RAM to offset for a significantly higher resolution display and downscaling. They were too cheap to do it...
 

vertsix

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Stay on iOS 8.4.1. That way you won't have to keep complaining post after post about how bad iOS 9 is.

Are you trying to convince others to not use iOS 9? If not, what is the point of trying to tell others that their positive experience with iOS 9 (as a whole) is not real?

Wait until iOS 9 actually launches and see how many people will be complaining.

We're discussing these issues pre-launch so others don't dive into iOS 9 expecting a perfect, or even near perfect, OS.
 

vertsix

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I maintain, iOS 9 GM is running flawlessly on my 5S DFU install (set up as new). The only nitpick is that the control center is between 30-40 fps but it has not stuttered badly. Notification centre is cool 60 fps. Rest of the animations are between 50-60 fps.

No animation glitches or settings bug.

Those who are having issues with their 5S on 9 GM, well... tough luck to them. Thank god this is the first time I am having near perfect experience on x.0 version of Apple's update.

I complained so hard when iOS 8 GM rendered my 1 year old iPad Air 1 near non-usuable with extreme stutter and random reboots. But all is well here with 9.0 :)
Battery life?

That's my biggest concern above lag and everything else.
 
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XTheLancerX

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If your install is laggy, try rebooting or a clean install. Set up as new. It could be something in your backup slowing the OS down. It could even be one of the apps slowing down the entire OS. Remember, developers have yet to release iOS 9 compatibility updates. They barely submitted those to apple this week.

To OP and his followers. Please stay away from unreleased software. Its NOT for you. Obviously.
I totally disagree. We need more people like this that actually notice that there are issues. Because then they get reported, and then they are more likely to be fixed.
 
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ZEEN0j

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Im not saying it does run great for everyone, and even when it does run great it's not all the time. For the most part, everyone who does have a pretty good running install isn't either. We can still see stutter from time to time. We're simply stating that it can.

But the other way around the people who don't have a good running install claim it can't/won't/it's that way for all/end of story/only dumb people think it runs good.

There are too many variables. Apple isn't dumb or blind, I'm sure they see a certain percent of their in house test phones also acting up and are slow. The best any company can hope for is the majority don't exhibit that behaviour. Just like hardware it's deemed acceptable to have a small percent fail.

Checked your video. What I saw in the video is perfectly acceptable for me. Don't know how often you get the occasional stutter. But my experience with iso9 hasn't been that great. I've rolled back to 8.4.1 and will OTA next week when it officially releases. Hoping for the best.
 

C DM

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Wait until iOS 9 actually launches and see how many people will be complaining.

We're discussing these issues pre-launch so others don't dive into iOS 9 expecting a perfect, or even near perfect, OS.
It all happened pretty much the same way with iOS 8 (and 7).
 
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