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For those claiming 9.0 GM is not laggy...
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Highly unlikely that the scaling process would be as strenuous as rendering over 400,000 more pixels plus generally a lot more content at once on the screen. If this is a big deal performance wise it should give the 6 a legup over the Plus in GFXBench's offscreen 1080p test because the Plus's scaling process is always being used even in apps that haven't been updated for the Plus (5 resolution upscaled to internal resolution downscaled to 1080) suggesting the possibly of a constant performance cost, instead they perform very similarly with the Plus having a one frame advantage.
It's interesting how fractions of a second are referred to as few seconds.
It feels pretty significant when you are actually using it though, in my opinion. Especially the delay on the homescreen. On top of that are the framerate issues. None of it is UNUSABLE, but it all just adds on top of each other for a very... Irking experience.
We can't enjoy them when there's lag.
iOS 8.4.1 is great. I'm enjoying it very much.
Lol. "Performance should be more apparent on the 4s and 5" I guess that tool has never heard of Metal and the vast majority of improvements are done by Metal being expanded to core animation.
Geekbench scores between iOS 8.4.1 and 9.0 on both devices were identical, but gives it to 8.4.1 hands down?
The only thing that was obvious was the delay when opening an app. Everything else he did (swiping around and whatever was just as quick.) For many the app launch delay doesn't happen on 9.1 anymore. All iOS 9 betas did it on my iPhone 6, but never to the degree of those ancient 4s and 5 and is mostly gone now.
I would like to see someone from here make a video of their own phone. Instead of finding some random YouTube video made purely to down talk for clicks.
I can certainly understand that the delay is felt and more by some than others. I was just alluding to that in comparisons when talking about actual differences it would be good not to exaggerate just for the sake of it. It's clear there's some delay for some, and they some will feel it more than others--and that it would be good if it wasn't there--just the degree can certainly be overstated it seems.
iOS 8, like iOS 7, has way more animation "lag" compared to iOS 6 and earlier, and there were lots of long threads and complaints about that after iOS 7 came out...yet a few years later we are referring to iOS 7.1 or iOS 8.4 as great (despite the known and noticeable animation length differences compared to earlier versions). Just something that I find interesting.
Weird. Because I'm enjoying my 6+ immensely. Are you sure you're not being picky?
There is also a delay just transitioning between an app then going to the home screen and quickly selecting and app again that is still the same in 9.1. Say you are in an app and you hit home and immediately have your finger on the next app you want to open and you press it. On 8.4.1 it reacts instantly and starts opening that next app. In all of the iOS 9's I've tried up to 9.1 it doesn't respond right away. In fact it can take about 3-5 taps to before it registers that I'm trying to open the app. This to me is just unacceptable and it takes away the fluidity that I've been accustomed too for so long. So it has been pretty obvious from the start for me and was quite maddening so I had to downgrade after I tried out each public beta because of this. Maybe there are a lot of people out there that don't notice this and use their phones very slowly. But for me it drives me nuts. I'm willing to bet even the 6s will do this. I hope they tune things up with future updates. Might not be till 9.2 or 9.3.
Also I don't this that guy made the video just to get attention. I think he was just doing what he does based on his other videos.
I really want iOS 9 to rock too. As for performance it just truly isn't up to 8.4.1 standards.
I'm extremely sure, as I am one of the many people that have noticed performance issues on the 5s with iOS 9 GM and its previous betas.
And where are those improvements on my 6 Plus and Air 1?
The regular 6 always ran better than the 6 Plus, so it will also run iOS 9 better.
Listen guys... I'm not saying iOS 8.4.1 is the best iOS ever... I just performs better than iOS 9 and 9.1 beta.
iOS 6 was great
iOS 7.1 good
iOS 8 sucks
iOS 9 sucks more
The other issue is once apple stops signing iOS 8.4.1, we won't be able to go back if we try iOS 9.x and don't like it.
So even if you wait until 9.2 comes out for all of the issues to be ironed out, it will be impossible by then to get back to 8.4.1 if 9.2 isn't your cup of tea.
iOS 6 was great
iOS 7.1 good
iOS 8 sucks
iOS 9 sucks more
The other issue is once apple stops signing iOS 8.4.1, we won't be able to go back if we try iOS 9.x and don't like it.
So even if you wait until 9.2 comes out for all of the issues to be ironed out, it will be impossible by then to get back to 8.4.1 if 9.2 isn't your cup of tea.
uhm...i don't think iOS9 sucks more than 8. it's slower, yes, but overall it looks MUCH less buggy than how 8 was until 8.4.
Gosh! 8.0-8.3 were nightmares!
7.0 and 6.0 were very problematic as well, when they were first released!
I'm not defending Apple, after all iOS 9 was supposed to be "faster".
PS: I would be very curious to see an 8.0 vs 9.0 video comparison...which one will be the slowest?
PPS: 6.0 in particular was an awful release. Everybody remembers it with rose-colored glasses:
not much had changed but...
- icloud core data bugs...say goodbye to your data!
- couldn't delete songs from music app anymore. the feature was removed from 6.0 and re-added later.
- new awful music and podcast apps.
- buggy and very erratic itunes match (10 days without music on my iPhone with apple support staff clueless).
- apple maps...and no replacements for months
- removed youtube app and no replacement for months
- slide to unlock not working, at times, on a 3gs.
- slower than 5. Yes!
So, putting things in context I think that iOS9 is one of the best .0 releases in the last years (worst being 6.0 and 8.0). Like EVERY iOS release it's slower than the one that came before. What's different this year is our mind set, our EXPECTATIONS. We were expecting something faster, and that's Apple fault, because they told us it would have been faster.
Just remember that even the best iOS release we had (ios 4 in my opinion) was close to unusable on an iPhone 3g (which was at the time where the 5s is now). Much worse than 9 on a 4s.
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iOS 6.0 had some bugs, but the performance was flawless on iPhone 5 and almost flawless on iPhone 4s.uhm...i don't think iOS9 sucks more than 8. it's slower, yes, but overall it looks MUCH less buggy than how 8 was until 8.4.
Gosh! 8.0-8.3 were nightmares!
7.0 and 6.0 were very problematic as well, when they were first released!
I'm not defending Apple, after all iOS 9 was supposed to be "faster".
PS: I would be very curious to see an 8.0 vs 9.0 video comparison...which one will be the slowest?
PPS: 6.0 in particular was an awful release. Everybody remembers it with rose-colored glasses:
not much had changed but...
- icloud core data bugs...say goodbye to your data!
- couldn't delete songs from music app anymore. the feature was removed from 6.0 and re-added later.
- new awful music and podcast apps.
- buggy and very erratic itunes match (10 days without music on my iPhone with apple support staff clueless).
- apple maps...and no replacements for months
- removed youtube app and no replacement for months
- slide to unlock not working, at times, on a 3gs.
- slower than 5. Yes!
I'm fine with iOS 9.0 having some bugs. After all, Apple didn't promise a bug free release. What I'm not fine with is crappy performance, because Apple PROMISED better performance in iOS 9.
Stay on iOS 8.4.1. That way you won't have to keep complaining post after post about how bad iOS 9 is.
Are you trying to convince others to not use iOS 9? If not, what is the point of trying to tell others that their positive experience with iOS 9 (as a whole) is not real?
True, but it sucked on iPhone 3gs and 4, it was barely decent. You can trust me because I was suffering on a 3gs at the time.
.Regarding iOS9 I completely agree with you. IMHO it's the best release since iOS4 and 5. It's slower than 8 but the performance is quite good on a 6 and will be perfect on a 6s. Same as every year. That said, people are right to complain because Apple promised that this year things would have been different from last years and iOS9 would have been faster across all devices. And they didn't deliver. Simple as that.
I'm a bit disappointed but still happy to have something Much more stable than 6.0/7.0/8.0.
look, we are just having a friendly discussion, what's the point of being so aggressive? Jayson simply shared his opinion on the matter, which is what we are supposed to do on a public forum. Try to be more tolerant. A great guy would do that
Exactly. If Apple hadn't promised better performance and smoothness, I wouldn't have any issues with iOS 9.0. It is expected that newer releases run slightly slower on older hardware (although even that shouldn't be the case anymore with such powerful hardware).True, but it sucked on iPhone 3gs and 4, it was barely decent. You can trust me because I was suffering on a 3gs at the time.
Regarding iOS9 I completely agree with you. IMHO it's the best release since iOS4 and 5. It's slower than 8 but the performance is quite good on a 6 and will be perfect on a 6s. Same as every year. That said, people are right to complain because Apple promised that this year things would have been different from last years and iOS9 would have been faster across all devices. And it didn't deliver. Simple as that.
I'm a bit disappointed but still happy to have something Much more stable than 6.0/7.0/8.0.
However, performance and smoothness enhancements were major features of iOS 9, so people have every right to be pissed off about the lack of it.
I am not being aggressive. I am simply pointing out that the OP has gone out of his way to try and prove that the positive experience others have had with said OS isn't real. He has had nothing but bad things to say about iOS 9. Given those facts, I pointed out that if he is so unhappy with iOS 9, he should stick with iOS 8.4.1.
Shining a light on his logical fallacy premise, and offering a suggestion to use an OS that doesn't make him mad or upset is not being aggressive.
Well, maybe he enjoys the new features and doesn't want to go back to 8. That still gives him the right to be unhappy about performance.
Also, if he made a backup in iOS9 or has upgraded his notes to the new iOS9 iCloud drive solution he can't go back to 8 without loosing data.
Also iOS9 is worth upgrading just to get rid of the ******* discoveryd, still present in iOS 8.4.1
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Well, maybe he enjoys the new features and doesn't want to go back to 8. That still gives him the right to be unhappy about performance.
Also, if he made a backup in iOS9 or has upgraded his notes to the new iOS9 iCloud drive solution he can't go back to 8 without loosing data.
Also iOS9 is worth upgrading just to get rid of the ******* discoveryd, still present in iOS 8.4.1
There isn't many new features in iOS 9 though unless you enjoy search. Low Power mode is decent but only if its something you will benefit from. I am going back to 8.4.1 as I was perfectly happy there and never had any problems. iOS 9.1 is much better but still not as good as 8.4.1. I think its mainly an issue with the 6 Plus, perhaps its simply underpowered, hence why the iPhone 6s is at LEAST a whopping 60% more powerful.
These threads are always the same - Apple apologists rush to defend Apple despite them having no affiliate to Apple (it's all rather sad).
I noticed my mother's iPhone 4S on iOS7 felt smoother than my iPhone 5S on iOS8 yesterday - it really surprised me, but it was. This is how iPhones and iOS is, it's called planned obsolescence.
This is the typical roadmap of iOS releases - first release is laggy, but Apple apologists insists it's fine, time goes by, people get used to the lag, Apple releases a small increase in speed/smoothness, Apple apologists finally claim the new iOS is back to being as smooth if not smoother than the last, everyone has forgot how much faster/smoother the previous iOS was at this point, any future claim that the previous iOS was smoother is met with "rose tinted Goggles" or "do a full restore" response.
I noticed my mother's iPhone 4S on iOS7 felt smoother than my iPhone 5S on iOS8 yesterday - it really surprised me, but it was. This is how iPhones and iOS is, it's called planned obsolescence.
This is the typical roadmap of iOS releases - first release is laggy, but Apple apologists insists it's fine, time goes by, people get used to the lag, Apple releases a small increase in speed/smoothness, Apple apologists finally claim the new iOS is back to being as smooth if not smoother than the last, everyone has forgot how much faster/smoother the previous iOS was at this point, any future claim that the previous iOS was smoother is met with "rose tinted Goggles" or "do a full restore" response.