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give me my money back

Timsq or Denis please give me my money back. I really need it back. This enough playing games. Tim, Denis or Svnr, I'm tired of your excuses and want my money now. You think you can fool all of us by hiding here and pretending to help us. Just do the right thing before it gets worse and you go to jail.
 
spinneres said:
Timsq or Denis please give me my money back. I really need it back. This enough playing games. Tim, Denis or Svnr, I'm tired of your excuses and want my money now. You think you can fool all of us by hiding here and pretending to help us. Just do the right thing before it gets worse and you go to jail.
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I've said it before, and i'll say it again, timsq and svenr are not dennis, please take the time to read from page 12 on before you start making accusations[/COLOR]. it makes absolutely no sense for dennis to come on this site and do all of that work against himself

--andrzej
 
spinneres said:
As many before have said, how can you be sure? we have all been fooled before why should this be any different.
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why would they do so much to hurt dennis if they were, in fact, dennis? it doesnt register in my mind. imperfect analogy: if you wanted to buy a car, and were saving money for it, would you burn the money? no.
Edit: did you actually read all of pages 12-17? i found them to be very informative the fourth time through.
--andrzej
 
aplasticspork said:
why would they do so much to hurt dennis if they were, in fact, dennis? it doesnt register in my mind. imperfect analogy: if you wanted to buy a car, and were saving money for it, would you burn the money? no.
Edit: did you actually read all of pages 12-17? i found them to be very informative the fourth time through.
--andrzej
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Well my dear andrezj, I don't know why some people do what they do. The information I'm getting from other
victims leads me to believe that it's to cover up the bigger picture. Read all pages 12-17 as you suggested [8 times already] and have also read the e-mails from others and have to say that the latter is more convincing. At this point I don't really care Who is Who and only want my money back! if you can help in doing this I will be forever gratefull.
 
Sir Bedevere : There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1 : Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere : Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1 : Burn them.
Sir Bedevere : And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1 : More witches.
Peasant 2 : Wood.
Sir Bedevere : Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3 : ...because they're made of... wood?
Sir Bedevere : Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1 : Build a bridge out of her.
Sir Bedevere : But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1 : Oh yeah.
Sir Bedevere : Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1 : No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere : No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1 : Bread.
Peasant 2 : Apples.
Peasant 3 : Very small rocks.
Peasant 1 : Cider.
Peasant 2 : Gravy.
Peasant 3 : Cherries.
Peasant 1 : Mud.
Peasant 2 : Churches.
Peasant 3 : Lead! Lead!
King Arthur : A Duck.
Sir Bedevere : ...Exactly. So, logically...
Peasant 1 : If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
Sir Bedevere : And therefore...
Peasant 2 : ...A witch!
 
E-mail from Charalambides

Here's an e-mail I got from him today. More B.S. from Dennis...

Dear Mac Fanatic Customer:

As you are probably aware Mac Fanatic Computers has gone out of business,
The website and phone numbers have been disconnected.
We are notifying all customers who made a purchase on
http://www.macfanaticshop.com
and sent payment and as of this date did not receive your item(s).

In order for us to process your refund, please send us the following
information. As per bankruptcy court order we are only able to send funds
electronically before Monday November 15, 2004 when all funds will be held
by trustee.

We are processing hundreds of refunds so Please be sure to add
"Refund - Bank Information <your order number>" in the subject line.
Without this information your request may be delayed and no guarantee
that your funds will be returned after November 15, 2004.


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Bank Name:
Bank Address:
Bank Tel. Number:
Contact Person:
Beneficiary Name:
Account Number:
ABA Routing Number:



Your Name:
Your Address:
Tel. Number:
Mac Fanatic Order Number:
Method of payment:
Date payment was made:
 
paladin, spinneres and the ilk

spinneres said:
Timsq or Denis please give me my money back. I really need it back. This enough playing games. Tim, Denis or Svnr, I'm tired of your excuses and want my money now. You think you can fool all of us by hiding here and pretending to help us. Just do the right thing before it gets worse and you go to jail.
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The moderator explicitly made it clear that you have to show evidence before making allegations. I'm a victim and I haven't received any information from you or paladin or any other person to make me believe that svenr or timsq are in any way related to the scammer.
Please show the evidence or shut up.
Thank you
 
dallama said:
The moderator explicitly made it clear that you have to show evidence before making allegations. I'm a victim and I haven't received any information from you or paladin or any other person to make me believe that svenr or timsq are in any way related to the scammer.
Please show the evidence or shut up.
Thank you
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Exactly... They have no evidence... I'd like to see Paladin& Spinneres either pony up the goods or be banned... Paladin & Spinneres, sh*t or get off the pot, you're not helping with your empty accusations & your claims of proof...
 
dallama said:
Here's an e-mail I got from him today. More B.S. from Dennis...

Dear Mac Fanatic Customer:

As you are probably aware Mac Fanatic Computers has gone out of business,
The website and phone numbers have been disconnected.
We are notifying all customers who made a purchase on
http://www.macfanaticshop.com
and sent payment and as of this date did not receive your item(s).

In order for us to process your refund, please send us the following
information. As per bankruptcy court order we are only able to send funds
electronically before Monday November 15, 2004 when all funds will be held
by trustee.

We are processing hundreds of refunds so Please be sure to add
"Refund - Bank Information <your order number>" in the subject line.
Without this information your request may be delayed and no guarantee
that your funds will be returned after November 15, 2004.


------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------

Bank Name:
Bank Address:
Bank Tel. Number:
Contact Person:
Beneficiary Name:
Account Number:
ABA Routing Number:



Your Name:
Your Address:
Tel. Number:
Mac Fanatic Order Number:
Method of payment:
Date payment was made:
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several points:

i hope you didn't send the info back to him. it's more information for him to scam from.

i'd consult a bankrupcy lawyer, if at all possible, to investigate into what you need to provide. i doubt they are bankrupt - i mean it was a scam operation anyway - but my naive intuition tells me something is fishy when they ask for all that banking info with a threatening sounding deadline of just a week.
 
As someone who has <blush> had to file for bankruptcy </blush> in the past, I can tell you this. My first visit was with an accountant, not a court - courts are too busy for that kind of thing. The accountant filled out all the paperwork, and told me what I had to keep paying - rent, phone, power etc. and what to immediately quit paying - any business related, any loans, any credit card debt, any thing that was going into the bankruptcy

Later on, they held a hearing and anyone who thought they deserved to be paid could make an appearance or be represented and make a case for why they should be paid. Then based on who showed up or made a case the court decided how much of the available funds should go to each applicant.

The bankruptcy folks put a notice in the paper alerting people to what was going on and it was up to whoever I owed money to to pay attention and come forward to the hearing. I provided a list of who I owed money to.

The court did not ask me for bank account information for anyone I owed money to.

Granted, I'm in Canada, and the law might be slightly different south of the border, but this joker claims to be doing business in Canada at least part of the time, so if he is declaring bankruptcy, he would be doing it here - don't communicate with him any more - send that email to the RCMP.

HTH Margaret
 
Pulling the wool over our eyes

dallama said:
The moderator explicitly made it clear that you have to show evidence before making allegations. I'm a victim and I haven't received any information from you or paladin or any other person to make me believe that svenr or timsq are in any way related to the scammer.
Please show the evidence or shut up.
Thank you
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I know you are pissed off and so am I, but to tell me to shut up? If you were deceived once what makes this any different? the moderator can ban me if he wants. I'll be long gone and you'll all still be buying into Denis's little Board trick. Wake up folks, smell the coffee. I suggest you give it more thought while we wait for evidence from paladin.
 
spinneres said:
I know you are pissed off and so am I, but to tell me to shut up? If you were deceived once what makes this any different? the moderator can ban me if he wants. I'll be long gone and you'll all still be buying into Denis's little Board trick. Wake up folks, smell the coffee. I suggest you give it more thought while we wait for evidence from paladin.
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And I suggest you stop posting accusations until said evidence comes forward. It's all hearsay right now.

No-one has come forward with any definitive evidence and until that time it is premature and immature to comment further.

Last chance...
 
Lately there's been a lot of talk here, but nothing new.

spinneres, If you and others feel that this is not the correct manner to recoup your loss than I suggest that you and everyone defrauded by this (or these) individual(s) to contact the proper authorities. I've posted these links before, but this was way back on page 6 of this thread.

Check these sites out:
The Internet Fraud Complaint Centre seems to be more internationaly based, and is backed/supported/teamed with the US government.
The RCMP Reporting Economic Crime Online is the system set up in Canada to report these types of crime.

I also posted this, and I feel it needs repeating
To bottom line it for everyone, we should find the proper authority to report this to and direct all victims there. The underlying theme of ovrdrvn is correct, the victims need to come forward. But sharing this kind of information with private individuals is not very effective, and pretty risky if you don't really know who your talking to.
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I feel that this thread has been a valuable resource into preventing more people from becoming victims of these scams. Furthermore from the lack of complaints from previous victims it would appear that the information collected by private individuals has not been abused. I still suggest not revealing your credit card number or bank account information to anyone other than a law enforcement officer.

I still hope that one day we can bust these people, but I'm not a victim so I can't go to the authorities and complain.

edit: added link
 
Rower_CPU said:
And I suggest you stop posting accusations until said evidence comes forward. It's all hearsay right now.

No-one has come forward with any definitive evidence and until that time it is premature and immature to comment further.

Last chance...
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You want ot ban me from this board, go ahead. Freedom of speech! I'll just find another place to post my concerns about timsq or denis until he gives me my money back.
 
Rower_CPU said:
OK.
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Rower,

I hope you realize I am one of the more "liberal" members (though the word "libertal" seems to be so negative now :D )

I was distressed by spinneres comments.

There are a few of us that understand the ramifications of "unfounded" accusations. For something like Mac Rumors, you have to protect the entity, while giving us a chance to voice our opinions. It is hard to balance.
 
banning victims won't help us

Row

why would you ban a victim of DENNIS. i thought the whole idea behind this was to find these guys.
 
humefear said:
Row

why would you ban a victim of DENNIS. i thought the whole idea behind this was to find these guys.
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spinneres was given multiple chances, he was making false accusations, and he was lying about getting information from paladin55. i doubt that he was a victim at all. Rower made the right choice, it was sick what spinneres and paladin55 were doing. we're much better off without them.

--andrzej
 
All-

Infighting amongst ourselves and throwing around accusations without providing proof accomplishes nothing. I understand how those who've been ripped off are anxious to track down the ones who did it and extract compensation. But, the way people have been doing it in this thread lately accomplishes nothing more than satisfying the need to attack someone because of what happened to you.

I suggest everyone re-read Raid's post and re-think pursuing official/legal action rather than slander fellow posters without providing any evidence as to why.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
Rower, please don't kill this thread for the actions of a few....
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I won't - this thread needs to remain available for those who've been scammed.

I will, however, take care of people adding to the noise, rather than the signal, on this topic.
 
Good job rower... Hey, they were given plenty of chances to show their "proof" & couldn't do it... Slandering regular members of the community with no real factual evidence, just a hunch, is way out of line... Sadly, they'll be back with a new SN before we know it though.. Guess there isn't much we can do about it though- just persevere..
 
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