I'll have to try that at home tonight. Seems like there have been some conflicting comments about this throughout this tread. Unless Apple is doing the push (cloud->client) on port 80 I just don't see how this could work.
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I'll have to try that at home tonight. Seems like there have been some conflicting comments about this throughout this tread. Unless Apple is doing the push (cloud->client) on port 80 I just don't see how this could work.
It really does work, I have tested it multiple times, and it really does push almost instantly.. very clever indeed, just wish it would work both ways!
I've certainly been sending requests for help and clarification over the last few days but so far not had any reply. That's why I keep looking here - hoping that someone has the magic key that will turn my exdotmac into a working MobileMe, instead of the limping, sluggish, unreliable SOB it is at the moment!
That'd be the "wait for a few days to let it settle" key then. There is absolutely no doubt that Apple have been overwhelmed by the response to MobileMe. And clearly they have had some 11th hour issues that have forced them to withdraw aspects of it (see above).
Should they be in this position? They are an Agile development shop; it is quite likely the answer is yes. One of Agile's premises is that the delivery date does not shift, but the scope can to make the release on time. Clearly they shifted scope in MobileMe, and in later iterations they will implement the missing bits in a formal release.
Understanding this it is no wonder at all at the current "state" of MobileMe.
I totally agree with most on here. We are just sitting here waiting for an answer from Apple. If there is no push services like was advertised then why change the name? By changing the name it makes people think there is a new and great service and will be more likely to buy it. The only advantage I see between this and .mac, if they do not add push, is the amount of storage, which I would say 75% of the Mac users do not need 20gb of online storage. My opinion for what is is worth.
Besides which the .mac iDisk was so slow that I would never be able to use the 20GB of storage. I basically quit using iDisk a long time ago.
you're prancing around here like -
- you watched the keynote,
- you read the pre-release marketing materials,
and after all that -
- you comprehended the keynote and marketing material, and came to the conclusion that Mac iCal ---> MobileMe (cloud) would only occur via SYNC every 15min, and not PUSH?
you are seriously trying to tell us all that's the conclusion you came to... weeks/months ago?
UNLIKELY.
also calling people with legitimate complaints "sheep," just because you are part of the minority group in this argument (and also on the wrong side of the argument) is weak. it's like me calling you fanboi, apple apologist and suggesting that the RDF got you (not that i am calling you these things - just pointing out, it doesn't really help...)
It's not unlikely...it didn't happen. To anyone. No one concluded that, because it was never stated, not directly nor was it implied. The slogan alone:
"EXCHANGE for the rest of us"
Exchange can Push from a computer to "the cloud." MobileMe can't. Enough said.
lol, i know.
but monkey seems to think that it's now ok to retrospectively analyse apple's moves, agree with them, and give them his "stamp of approval."
seriously...
Gawd, I hate being pedantic but ..... on this occasion .... No, Exchange cannot Push from a computer to "the cloud". In essence Exchange is "the cloud". There is no concept of cloud computing in Exchange.
Exchange clients (i.e. Outlook) are, when connected, nothing more than terminals into the Exchange server. When disconnected, they merely save changes (mail, calendar, contacts) locally until they next connect and sync with the Exchange server/s. But in none of this is Exchange cloud computing.
The push in Exchange has been deployed for the Windows Mobile crowd (I provided a good link to an article earlier in this thread).
But in any of that, Outlook or its sibling Outlook Express are not true cloud computing access devices. Otherwise we might as well all go back to VT100s.
You are dating yourself. Most people here have never heard of a VT100. Of course, I used the almighty VT52 at my first job!
Well farting around getting the Me->desktop push has been a trial.
I thought it was my Extreme. Every time I restarted it, I could get pushes from MM.
Turns out if I disconnect my wifi and re-connect it, pushes work for about 10-15 minutes. Pushes from iCal to MM don't work of course.
I thought it was my Extreme. Every time I restarted it, I could get pushes from MM.
Turns out if I disconnect my wifi and re-connect it, pushes work for about 10-15 minutes. Pushes from iCal to MM don't work of course.
Temporary Fix for upset iCal users using MobileMe
For the time being, my suggestion is to use MobileMe's calendar instead of iCal.
This way your iCal is updated instantly.
Until Apple changes the fact that Desktop apps only push every 15 minutes, I'd do this.
What does everybody else think?
Just keep MobileMe Calendar open in a tab in Safari all day and pretend it's iCal.
For the time being, my suggestion is to use MobileMe's calendar instead of iCal.
This way your iCal is updated instantly.
Until Apple changes the fact that Desktop apps only push every 15 minutes, I'd do this.
What does everybody else think?
Just keep MobileMe Calendar open in a tab in Safari all day and pretend it's iCal.
An admin/moderator should lock the entire MobileMe section on MacRumors. Complain, complain, complain. Jesus. Chill out and let the issues get resolved on their own. Debates about how its not 100% push, etc. Obviously Apple knows what's up. They had the MobileMe updater live and then pulled it quickly. It's just a matter of time.
Personally, I haven't experienced anything negative so far. First day of using the service was a bit sluggish--it seems to be working well (trial accounts).
Have any .Mac members tried to setup a trial account with MobileMe to see if the problem exists purely with their legacy account and see if the trial account works better. That could be a temporary fix while Apple resolves it. 60 days to resolve it.
Personally, I haven't experienced anything negative so far. First day of using the service was a bit sluggish--it seems to be working well (trial accounts).
Have any .Mac members tried to setup a trial account with MobileMe to see if the problem exists purely with their legacy account and see if the trial account works better. That could be a temporary fix while Apple resolves it. 60 days to resolve it.
Ok too much to read through so sorry if this has been posted. In my tests I can create a calender event or a contact on my iPhone and it will within seconds appear on my macbook pro in ical or address book. if I create it on the laptop it does not automatically sync, its the 15 minute interval that people are talking about.
The only way I see them fixing this is if they update iCal and Address book to automatically trigger a sync when a new event or contact is added/updated.
Also I am only blaming Apple for one thing, launching too many things at once (iPhone 3g, iPhone/iPod touch 2.0, app store, and Mobile Me). They should have spaced out the launches a bit in order to reduce many of the problems they had over the weekend.
The only way I see them fixing this is if they update iCal and Address book to automatically trigger a sync when a new event or contact is added/updated.
Also I am only blaming Apple for one thing, launching too many things at once (iPhone 3g, iPhone/iPod touch 2.0, app store, and Mobile Me). They should have spaced out the launches a bit in order to reduce many of the problems they had over the weekend.
At the risk of being attacked as a stupid Apple defender, I'd just like to say that I don't think this is a big deal. Someone give me an example where the MM services don't allow you to accomplish any task in the real world. Ya know, the real world?
I have a shared calender that we use for my work. When we make changes in my iphone, it turns up on the computers at work, at home and on my laptop. I think That's cool. If I make a change at home, (i know i have to hit sync), bam, it's at work and on my phone and on my laptop. It might not be automatic, but it works great. I just don't think this sync vs push issue would stop anyone from being able to use this in a meaningful way.
For those who don't actually have anything in their calender anyway but want to sit up all night putting "test" into their iCal and getting mad cause it doesn't intently pop up on their iPhone (unless they hit sync). Oh well, get over it.
I have a shared calender that we use for my work. When we make changes in my iphone, it turns up on the computers at work, at home and on my laptop. I think That's cool. If I make a change at home, (i know i have to hit sync), bam, it's at work and on my phone and on my laptop. It might not be automatic, but it works great. I just don't think this sync vs push issue would stop anyone from being able to use this in a meaningful way.
For those who don't actually have anything in their calender anyway but want to sit up all night putting "test" into their iCal and getting mad cause it doesn't intently pop up on their iPhone (unless they hit sync). Oh well, get over it.
The complaint is not how it works, its the fact that apple has for the most part pulled a bait and switch on customers. They advertised one thing (full push support between computer and phone), and they did not deliver 100% on what they promised. As I and others said above, it should be a simple update but I think they just got too swamped launching too many things at once.
So we agree that it works fine then. Good. Maybe not exactly as some of us thought (just hit sync). That's all I'm saying. And I still think it's up in the air as to whether they were ever trying to say there would be automatic push from the mac. I've read all the posts and the changes in advertising. It seems to me like they're trying to clarify something that was at least ambiguous and at most misleading (intentionally or not).
But for people to call for the head of Jobs over this just seems over the top. I haven't seen one post yet where someone said, "Well, now I won't be able to use this for my needs." Ya know, it works. It's cool.
Well?
I did not read the whole thread:
As stated, I didn't read the whole thread and I am not sure if this is covered. I have just tried changing a Calender or Contact on my Macbook Pro, and it does indeed sync within seconds to my iPhone. You just have to make sure you hit the sync button in your menu bar before leaving, which is not something hard to do, since it is always readily available and is above all the other windows. I think Apple's MobileMe is an exceptional service provided by Apple. It will benefit me very much with School, Work, and my Personal schedules. I appreciate all the work that has went into this service.
I did not read the whole thread:
As stated, I didn't read the whole thread and I am not sure if this is covered. I have just tried changing a Calender or Contact on my Macbook Pro, and it does indeed sync within seconds to my iPhone. You just have to make sure you hit the sync button in your menu bar before leaving, which is not something hard to do, since it is always readily available and is above all the other windows. I think Apple's MobileMe is an exceptional service provided by Apple. It will benefit me very much with School, Work, and my Personal schedules. I appreciate all the work that has went into this service.
One word ....... "Agile" or two, "Agile XP". Look at an earlier post of mine above.
The missing bits, like iDisk sharing, will come, but not necessarily on day one. Whether Mac "push" will come depends on whether it was in the design scope or not. So far Apple has said nothing. But Agile allows for that to be incorporated into scope later.
In an Agile environment there will be no intention to mislead, but by its very nature it almost guarantees that things will be de-scoped to allow a release date to be met. Other development methodologies generally allow the release date to be impacted in order to deliver the entire scope for that version.
Errr, okay then, if we're going to have a tiddling contest
My first job involved a 50baud Telex machine (actually, a mechanical 3-bank Remington typewriter and then further training before I was allowed to touch a Telex machine). I think my first VT52 (of the clapping eyes on) came several years later. "It'll never catch on...." said one of my colleagues, as he wound up the 5-unit paper tape spooling off of the punch. And here's this lot complaining about whether something is Push or Sync ROFL
Oh happy days. All together now .......
Apple's guilty, but this thing works
The Push calendar works pretty well. Always in under 15 seconds everything is synced up. Yes, if using iCal, it will take up to 15 minutes. I do hope Apple fixes this.
My suggestion is don't use iCal for the time being. Use Calendar on MobileMe and pretend it's iCal. It's soooooo similar. This way it's pushing nonstop.
What do y'all think???
The Push calendar works pretty well. Always in under 15 seconds everything is synced up. Yes, if using iCal, it will take up to 15 minutes. I do hope Apple fixes this.
My suggestion is don't use iCal for the time being. Use Calendar on MobileMe and pretend it's iCal. It's soooooo similar. This way it's pushing nonstop.
What do y'all think???
You know something just occurred to me. Maybe some people don't know about the "show status in menu bar" option in the mobleme preferences. That makes it very easy to just reach up there, hit sync at any time. I'm just thinking maybe some people think they have to go into preferences to sync up. That would bother me too if I thought that was the case.