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From Apple Support: sorry, Its not Push..no fix comings
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I don't think you'll see push email on the desktop (not this time around, anyway). If you look at the account setup in Mail, it clearly is using imap. That's not push no matter how fast it is.
For those who are upset about paying $99 for this "push" service....remember MobileMe is not just email, contacts and calendars. It's also idisk, iweb, and galleries. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just pointing out that some are forgetting about the other features when complaining about paying $99 for email.
I like the galleries. I have ilife '06 and had no plans on buying ilife 08, but I just might do it now. Yeah, you can get something similar in concept to galleries for free from Google's Picasa Web Albums, but in typical Apple fashion, galleries are presented in a much better format/interface including something that looks very similar to Cover Flow. Very nice for sharing family photos with family spread across the country.
For those who are upset about paying $99 for this "push" service....remember MobileMe is not just email, contacts and calendars. It's also idisk, iweb, and galleries. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just pointing out that some are forgetting about the other features when complaining about paying $99 for email.
I like the galleries. I have ilife '06 and had no plans on buying ilife 08, but I just might do it now. Yeah, you can get something similar in concept to galleries for free from Google's Picasa Web Albums, but in typical Apple fashion, galleries are presented in a much better format/interface including something that looks very similar to Cover Flow. Very nice for sharing family photos with family spread across the country.
i dont have an iphone yet, but the MobileMe ---> mac is Push and not sync. the only thing that is not push is from the mac to the mobileme.
Regardless of weather the website is good or not, it still doesn't do what it says. And iCal doesn't even sync every 15 mins for me.
Why can't calendars "sync" every couple of minutes, at least that would work.
Why can't calendars "sync" every couple of minutes, at least that would work.
I agree with kdog. Before I had to sync all my computers and iPhone. Yesterday only email was being pushed. Today my calendars are pushing down, but not up from Mac. I think things are slowly coming around after the server problems Apple had Friday. Patience everyone.
Well that is not the case now anymore…
Well since it is a slow overcast Sunday afternoon I tried this…
Calendar entry from my iPhone @ 14:47
MobileMe @14:48
My Mac Pro @ Still waiting even after 2 manual Syncs…
Calendar entry from MobileMe @ 14:52
My iPhone @ 14:52 (Within seconds)
My Mac Pro @ 14:52 (Within Seconds)
Calendar entry from my Mac Pro @ 14:49
iPhone @ 14:53 (Around 4 minutes)
MobileMe @ 14:57 (Around 8 minutes)
I have no idea what to make of this…
Edit: I have since made two more entries on my iPhone to test and while both have been received by MobileMe none have appeared on my Mac even after manual Syncs.
Cor, what a fuss!
An observation and a question.
Did none of you [apparently frothing at the mouth] who "paid" $99 or £50 not bother to do the 60-day trial then? Surely not? This may not appear at all sympathetic of me, and it is not intended to be either. We're talking money here. Why would you commit especially when there is a 99.9% functional trial available (afaics only eMail alias doesn't work in the trial). Rhetorical question; Why would you do this to yourself?
I am running the trial, and at any time before 60 days can cancel the deal and Apple will not draw on my credit card. That all sounds very fair enough to me, and more than plenty of time to evaluate MobileMe in all of its glory and faults. Yes, it is not perfect - but its a hell of a lot better than the .Mac that used to be quite a bit more expensive.
I have MobileMe operating across a pair of Leopard Macs and an iPhone 2G with the V2 firmware. It works seamlessly, and flawlessly, given the timing issues that are being discussed above. But the important point is that it works. And moreso that it works when I'm mobile, the whole point for me.
Where I have a problem is with my Mac Pro running Tiger 10.4.11 which authenticates onto MobileMe through its .Mac Sysprefs panel. But it will not access the Sync or Advanced panels - although iDisk works fine! There is no info on Apple Support to help (no real surprise there), and there seems not to be a replacement panel for Tiger as there was for Leopard yesterday.
I note that some of you have managed to get on to MobileMe with their Tiger-equipped Macs. How? Did you have to do anything special to make this happen? It is, for me, the final bit of the puzzle to complete my MobileMe to iPhone and three Macs that I want to get working within the trial.
An observation and a question.
Did none of you [apparently frothing at the mouth] who "paid" $99 or £50 not bother to do the 60-day trial then? Surely not? This may not appear at all sympathetic of me, and it is not intended to be either. We're talking money here. Why would you commit especially when there is a 99.9% functional trial available (afaics only eMail alias doesn't work in the trial). Rhetorical question; Why would you do this to yourself?
I am running the trial, and at any time before 60 days can cancel the deal and Apple will not draw on my credit card. That all sounds very fair enough to me, and more than plenty of time to evaluate MobileMe in all of its glory and faults. Yes, it is not perfect - but its a hell of a lot better than the .Mac that used to be quite a bit more expensive.
I have MobileMe operating across a pair of Leopard Macs and an iPhone 2G with the V2 firmware. It works seamlessly, and flawlessly, given the timing issues that are being discussed above. But the important point is that it works. And moreso that it works when I'm mobile, the whole point for me.
Where I have a problem is with my Mac Pro running Tiger 10.4.11 which authenticates onto MobileMe through its .Mac Sysprefs panel. But it will not access the Sync or Advanced panels - although iDisk works fine! There is no info on Apple Support to help (no real surprise there), and there seems not to be a replacement panel for Tiger as there was for Leopard yesterday.
I note that some of you have managed to get on to MobileMe with their Tiger-equipped Macs. How? Did you have to do anything special to make this happen? It is, for me, the final bit of the puzzle to complete my MobileMe to iPhone and three Macs that I want to get working within the trial.
Well I for one am not frothing at the mouth as you put it — just expecting my .Mac/MobileMe service — that I have been paying for since 2000 to be working.
Wouldn't you?
Or is that unreasonable of me?
Super for you, but that is NOT what Apple is selling. You can also pull out your individual devices and make sure you have made accurate entries on all your devices before you go out too, but that is NOT automatic/push syncing.
There is simply no basis to justify today ANY interval of synching when Apple clearly sold us automatic INSTANT syncing.
If there is no intention to offer 'push' services from desktop machines, it's straightforward mis-selling, and dissatisfied customers will have a right to compensation irrespective of whether or not they did the free trial, or others are happy.
I think it is appalling for Apple to mis-sell in this way. It ruins the brand reputation. It will cost the company much more than the additional MobileMe revenue they generated from those needing desktop 'push'.
However, I suspect that significant changes need to be made to the desktop apps to offer true 'push' services, and those changes will be made through free software updates. It's basically a big PR disaster in the meantime. I wouldn't be surprised if someone high up gets fired over this. They should pull the video off the website now.
I think it is appalling for Apple to mis-sell in this way. It ruins the brand reputation. It will cost the company much more than the additional MobileMe revenue they generated from those needing desktop 'push'.
However, I suspect that significant changes need to be made to the desktop apps to offer true 'push' services, and those changes will be made through free software updates. It's basically a big PR disaster in the meantime. I wouldn't be surprised if someone high up gets fired over this. They should pull the video off the website now.
Try to do the same thing from a computer. It does not sync instantly like it does on the iphone. That is what people are complaining about. Apple said it was going to work the same for all devices and it isn't.
I have no idea what to make of this
Edit: I have since made two more entries on my iPhone to test and while both have been received by MobileMe none have appeared on my Mac even after manual Syncs.
Thanks for the clarification Arkitect - Yeah I'm in the same position, I can do a manual sync from my Mac and nothing turns up on the cloud! Don't even talk about getting changes made on the cloud coming back to the Mac...For much of the time it's like I've got two separate iCal applications each bearing little relation to the other.
I have never known Apple to make such a screaming mess of things.
Both iCal and Address Book show being modified on 6/30/08. So either there is another update or the server side is still having trouble.
the way I see this is that Apple is still going to have push from computer to MM and devices. It's just not working now, so they posted a support article about how to make it work (kinda) temporarily while they try to find a solution to it. I don't think they are deliberately holding back on that feature. But hey, what do I know?
I agree with Stix, I think before it works right, iCal, Address Book and other apps will need updates.
I agree with Stix, I think before it works right, iCal, Address Book and other apps will need updates.
I'm still living in my own world and hoping that these are all bugs in the system. It kinda defeats the point if my Mac can't push to my iPod. I don't want to use the web apps, and this was certainly not how it was advertised. I remain hopeful, if not a liitle delusional!
I disagree. Mail rarely loads. Calendar constantly refreshes. The whole thing is major bloat.
When me.com actually LOADS, it's feature poor compared to free options like Google. And Google has already done webmail and webcalendar very well. And the pages are crisp, clean, and fast.
All we need now is a free app from Google to persist calendar and contact information on a device when offline.
First of all, there are a lot of people out there who were already dotmac subscribers, so they are not 'doing it to themselves' - they have had their service (such as it was) disrupted and - if you check a lot of forums both independant and Apple run - you'll find there are thousands of people who are having problems with MobileMe, not just a few. Secondly it has already been well established that most people with iPhones are getting their mail and what have you 'pushed' - so simply saying 'my iPhone gets stuff pushed so what is everyone complaining about' doesn't help - the point at issue here is that for a lot of people there are serious problems getting the cloud to talk to the Mac and sometimes vice versa.
I'm kind of a fanboy, but this disappoints even me. On my MacBook I prefer to use iCal and Address Book. I do feel that Apple misrepresented the push functionality of MobileMe with regards to desktop applications, and I hope they fix this soon.
I'm disappointed in them. They had every opportunity to make the launch of the iPhone 3G, iPhone 2.0, and MobileMe a spectacular event. Instead, due to Steve's obsession with secrecy and synchronicity, the whole launch ended up quite embarrassing for them.
I'm sure their stockholders can't be too pleased with this.
I'm disappointed in them. They had every opportunity to make the launch of the iPhone 3G, iPhone 2.0, and MobileMe a spectacular event. Instead, due to Steve's obsession with secrecy and synchronicity, the whole launch ended up quite embarrassing for them.
I'm sure their stockholders can't be too pleased with this.
Hmm, seeing as Push seems to work between iPhone and MobileMe, I have other ideas as to what is happening between MobileMe and Mac.
From what I've read, apparently this is the conclusion:
MobileMe -> Mac (Push)
Mac -> MobileMe (Sync)
I have played around with it and I think that MobileMe -> Mac is infact 'Sync'. Let me explain. Under the MobileMe options in System Preferences, we obviously have all selected to Sync automatically. We have just found out that this "automatically" actually means every 15 minutes.
So, if the Mac is Syncing every 15 minutes with MobileMe, then really, it could be doing something like this:
I'll start with 9am for symplicity:
9:00am (Mac syncs with MobileMe)
9:15am (Mac syncs with MobileMe)
:
9:45am (Mac syncs with MobileMe)
etc...
Now, say you change a contact on MobileMe at 9:01am, technically that contact will not be changed on your Mac until the next Sync time, which is 9:15am, approximately 14 minutes later.
Now, say you change a contact on MobileMe at 9:14am, again, that contact should not be changed on your Mac until the next Sync time, which is still 9:15am, which now is only 1 minute later!
From the article posted in the first post from Apple, I do believe MobileMe -> Mac and Mac -> MobileMe are both Sync.
The disagreements on how long its taking to Sync (and thoughts that it may actually be Push) can only be what I have just explained in my opinion.
I may be wrong, but that is what I strongly think is happening here.
EDIT: I should state that I still think this is absolutely unfair Apple has done this.
From what I've read, apparently this is the conclusion:
MobileMe -> Mac (Push)
Mac -> MobileMe (Sync)
I have played around with it and I think that MobileMe -> Mac is infact 'Sync'. Let me explain. Under the MobileMe options in System Preferences, we obviously have all selected to Sync automatically. We have just found out that this "automatically" actually means every 15 minutes.
So, if the Mac is Syncing every 15 minutes with MobileMe, then really, it could be doing something like this:
I'll start with 9am for symplicity:
9:00am (Mac syncs with MobileMe)
9:15am (Mac syncs with MobileMe)
:
9:45am (Mac syncs with MobileMe)
etc...
Now, say you change a contact on MobileMe at 9:01am, technically that contact will not be changed on your Mac until the next Sync time, which is 9:15am, approximately 14 minutes later.
Now, say you change a contact on MobileMe at 9:14am, again, that contact should not be changed on your Mac until the next Sync time, which is still 9:15am, which now is only 1 minute later!
From the article posted in the first post from Apple, I do believe MobileMe -> Mac and Mac -> MobileMe are both Sync.
The disagreements on how long its taking to Sync (and thoughts that it may actually be Push) can only be what I have just explained in my opinion.
I may be wrong, but that is what I strongly think is happening here.
EDIT: I should state that I still think this is absolutely unfair Apple has done this.