I agree. If things don't change within a week or two, I'll be more apt to complain. The thing is, .Mac has worked great for me for years, costed the same as MobileMe, and things were not always instant, even though (from my memory) .Mac syncing was suppose to be instant. Oh well. I still think Apple is still transitioning from .Mac to MobileMe. Currently, aside from the web apps changes, MobileMe is the exact same as .Mac, with the inclusion of a really lame name.
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From Apple Support: sorry, Its not Push..no fix comings
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I'm not going to post what others have said, but it's not push from desktop apps, period. I still can't the me.com portal to work so I'm screwed for push. Personally, I wouldn't mind using me.com for my cal,mail,address book as they look just like the OS X apps.
Now, my complaining. Verizon has had this type of service for a LONG time. It's called wireless sync. I work for an IT consulting firm and for clients that are too cheap to buy exchange we set them up with Verizon's WirelessSync. It's a desktop app that monitors your outlook and ANY time there is a change (ie. new mail, address entry, calendar) it will immediately start a sync. It is sync, but the desktop app monitors Outlook's PST or OST for changes and uploads those changes right away so it feels like push. Then on verzion's servers it will push down to the phone.
My point, if verizon can do it on their app, why can't apple? Apple wrote the OS and the Apps, shouldn't be that hard.
Now, my complaining. Verizon has had this type of service for a LONG time. It's called wireless sync. I work for an IT consulting firm and for clients that are too cheap to buy exchange we set them up with Verizon's WirelessSync. It's a desktop app that monitors your outlook and ANY time there is a change (ie. new mail, address entry, calendar) it will immediately start a sync. It is sync, but the desktop app monitors Outlook's PST or OST for changes and uploads those changes right away so it feels like push. Then on verzion's servers it will push down to the phone.
My point, if verizon can do it on their app, why can't apple? Apple wrote the OS and the Apps, shouldn't be that hard.
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I update contact in MM at 9:06 and sync kicks off immediately on mac and updates.
profetto said:
I update contact in MM at 9:06 and sync kicks off immediately on mac and updates.
I have never seen that happen. I don't even know how, at this point, MobileMe and any Mac app can communicate that way. There is nothing in the Sync settings, address book, Mail, or iCal that dictates that, either. The closest thing is Mail have a 1 minute sync interval.
People posting that MobileMe is kicking off a sync on their Mac/PC must be mistaken. (In my opinion)
I think it may be that people with iPhones have set up their Macs and phones using iSync, and that is probably what is prompting the automatic sync when you make a change. People without any devices can't use iSync, which may be why their Macs won't sync with the cloud and vice versa. Just a theory.
I am guessing that there are still plenty of problems with the servers - I am getting a range of 'server error' problems and even 'infinite loop' conflicts when MobileMe tries to load pages, so that's not helping.
Actually it's not working for me
Actually in terms of Contacts it's not working for me. I got everything set up per the instructions and now all of my Contacts have disappeared from my iPhone 3g. The contacts are on MobileMe (that is when it is up and running) but nothing comes over to the iPhone. Yes, I have turned it on on the iPhone. I've gone through the set up 5 times. I've just gone back to syncing through iTunes. It works! MobileMe is a disaster! Poorly executed implementation. I bet Steve is making a list of which heads are going to roll right now.
Actually in terms of Contacts it's not working for me. I got everything set up per the instructions and now all of my Contacts have disappeared from my iPhone 3g. The contacts are on MobileMe (that is when it is up and running) but nothing comes over to the iPhone. Yes, I have turned it on on the iPhone. I've gone through the set up 5 times. I've just gone back to syncing through iTunes. It works! MobileMe is a disaster! Poorly executed implementation. I bet Steve is making a list of which heads are going to roll right now.
10.5.5 to fix push...
...from a rumor going on in a French forum, 10.5.5 would fix the Push issue on the desktop side...like I said...software updates.
Can anyone confirm that?
...from a rumor going on in a French forum, 10.5.5 would fix the Push issue on the desktop side...like I said...software updates.
Can anyone confirm that?
You guys are sooooooooooooo lazy. Look: Just make your changes in ical, address book, whatever, then hit 'sync' in the menu bar at the top of the screen. It takes less than a second to do!
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I tested several times. Add calendar entry in MM and in seconds later I see sync kicking off on my MacBook.
soLoredd said:
I tested several times. Add calendar entry in MM and in seconds later I see sync kicking off on my MacBook.
Let's try to remain calm. Obviously there are kinks in the system, and Apple will probably develop this in the future. Everything updates when my MobileMe syncs. Although in an ideal world it would update instantaneously, it appears it's only doing it every 15 minutes or so. I think an OS X update (10.5.5?) will be needed to fully implement push technology in all directions.
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I'll have to check my iSync when I get back home. Not sure I have any devices hooked to it.
bmk said:
I'll have to check my iSync when I get back home. Not sure I have any devices hooked to it.
What is different about the likes of Mac OS X iCal and Address Book compared to the iPhone's Calendar and Contacts? The iPhone's Calendar and Contact applications must be more unique than the OS X ones, since OS X doesn't push any new data, it syncs at intervals.
What does the iPhone's app's do differently? When you create a new event in Calendar, at what point is it pushed? When you leave the app or as soon as you created the event?
What does the iPhone's app's do differently? When you create a new event in Calendar, at what point is it pushed? When you leave the app or as soon as you created the event?
This works for me as well. When I initiate a change from Me.com, that change seems to push rather instant from MM to my Mac and iPhone. In fact, as soon as I hit the save button in MM, I notice that my Sync icon starts spinning. However, as everyone else has pointed out, if I make a change from my desktop apps, the sync doesn't happen for about 10-20 minutes. In some cases, those changes hit my phone. In other cases, they don't.
From my phone, I have had changes that are made push all the way across to my Mac and changes that didn't. It appears to be a luck of the draw.
At this point, there is no way that I can consider MM to be "production" ready. I can barely login online and get things to load at times. When I am able to get things to load, I normally have several discrepancies that show up, particularly in my contacts and Mail. For mail, it never seems to show up-to-date mail. It is constantly showing mail that has either been moved or deleted (although it shows up fine on my Mac and my phone). For contacts, I have noticed that the contacts sometimes do not show all of the contact's information. In some cases, it will just show a name. In other cases, it will show everything. However, on my phone and computer, it shows everything.
So, is the core dotmac functionality gone? Or is it a subset of MobileMe (I fancy it is the latter)?
The MobileMe push stuff is all very new in the dotmac replacement that it is. It is inevitable that all of us early adopters will experience issues. There has been some good quality diagnosis by some on this thread that clarifies what is, and isn't, happening across the platforms. It mirrors what I am seeing from my own, largely positive, experience.
The thing is, regardless of any pedantry surrounding the word "instantly" and given the detailed analysis of others above, MobileMe does work, and not only for me, largely doing what it says on the tin.
Now I need to get on with my own "serious problem" of getting MobileMe to talk with OS X Tiger, which it currently will not - but I know that it does as friends of mine have it working absolutely fine!
I thought the point of your original posts was to say that when you made a change in the cloud it showed up immediately on your Mac at home. But if you are not at home, I'm a bit confused by what you are saying.
The problem a lot of people are having here is getting a change in the cloud to affect their machine at home. Can you say or not that a change you make in the cloud turns up on your machine at home?
Yeah "push" does indeed exist between MobileMe and the IPhone, which I am very happy with!
I did see how "syncing" is used between the Mac/PC and MobileMe. I have a Macbook (Leopard 10.5.4), and when I make an update on MobileMe/IPhone, the sync will automatically kick of within a few seconds to make the update on my Macbook (Sync also automatically kicks off when logging into Macbook). Though I wish it did the same thing when I make an update on the Macbook. The sync will not kick off right away, so I usually just kick the sync off myself.
I must say, I am still extremely happy with MobileMe. The "push" I desired was more for the IPhone, and the sync behavior on my Macbook works for me.
I don't know about all of you BUT I want Push to all my devices as advertised. Whether it be from my macbook to the cloud, or my iMac to the cloud, or my iTouch to the cloud and my Mac's.
That was the main thing that sold me on mobile me. Now I find out that only push happens from the cloud to iPhone or iTouch or vice versa, but not from my iMac or Macbook to the cloud!
They got my money this time but it will be the last unless this works both ways for all my devices.
Very disappointed in this! I was just getting to like mobile me until I started playing with the push feature intensely only to find out just how misleading Steve/Phil were on the last keynote! So IM back to synch. Whipteeee do! Hardly an exchange like service.
Man I love Apple stuff but this just isn't right!
if you dont want the 20GB webspace, then i suggest you wait. Also, you cant make aliases now, but you may not need it.
You can still think about your email address and want to change it. lol
You can still sell the MM code anytime and still works anytime.
so if you dont like it, there is a second chance to cancel.
it is not just laziness. It is what apple sells and what we get. They are different, do you like that?
I've had my dotmac account for years - in what way am I an 'early adopter'? The new service has been advertised as having a number of improvements - from what I can see there are a lot of people who cannot access those improvements or feel that the advertising was misleading and that what has arrived is not what was promised.
If you do not feel that and that your service works, that is good for you, but given the widespread number of complaints it is clear that something is seriously wrong for a lot of other people.
Yes, technically I have much the same service as I had before with dotmac, but that is not really the point - Apple are saying and selling the service as having a certain amount of things in it - I, like a lot of people, cannot access those services.
Ah, you have a life! I should get out more...
The good thing is, when push happens it is real PUSH.
I mean, the push occurs for the things that were changed, if calender changes, then only calender gets pushed, and not mail and contacts (if all, then it will be push sync lol)
this is good because it wont drain iPhone battery, since sync takes longer than push.
oh, did you get it guys?
that is what is happening with everyone, but that is what is annoying too.
I mean, the push occurs for the things that were changed, if calender changes, then only calender gets pushed, and not mail and contacts (if all, then it will be push sync lol)
this is good because it wont drain iPhone battery, since sync takes longer than push.
oh, did you get it guys?
Added a test appointment to my phone, logged in to me.com straight away and there it was.
Opend iCal ... waited... waited... 10 minutes later, there it was
that is what is happening with everyone, but that is what is annoying too.
Presumably macrumors.com is not a "complaints-only" forum and that as much can be learned from a positive experience as from a negative one. Maybe I'm wrong. Mother always said I was a bit idealistic
MobileMe works for me in the context that has been discovered by others earlier in this thread. Push or Sync it works. Information entered into one of the three MobileMe clients (Mac Mini, Macbook Pro, iPhone) updates on all of the others, and also on the MobileMe portal. Again, in the context of what has been analysed by others earlier in this thread - and a good analysis and explanation of the different flows it is. Oops, I'm being positive again, naughty naughty
I believe that an existing dotmac client who has been [albeit involuntarily] updated to MobileMe can be classed as an early adopter if they are making use of the MobileMe functionality over and above the core dotmac capability. It is, after all, new code, new functionality, and errors, bugs and omissions are bound to occur. I suppose it is entirely possible to use MobileMe for only the original dotmac functions and eschew entirely the new aspects of the platform.
It is only day three of MobileMe and the title of this thread is very misleading. We do not know that there are no fixes coming. Wouldn't that be as much of a "lie" as some of our "frothers" on this thread are claiming Apple have made?
I remain optimistic.