From Apple Support: sorry, Its not Push..no fix comings

[Agathon]

i think wi-fi disconnect after sleep is quite reasonable......
if you own iPhone , you can get a push mail in every time and everywhere
this is the different

It is unclear what it does. You can set the iPod to pull Mail from the server every 15 minutes and it will do this whether it is asleep or awake. I know, since I just got mail from Apple while it was asleep and the bleep went off.

However, in the iPod Touch Manual Apple explicitly says that Yahoo Mail will be pushed to your iPod.

If you have a Yahoo! email account, email is instantly transferred to iPod touch as it arrives at the Yahoo! server.

What I want to know is if push email is active while the unit is asleep, or whether you need to activate polling to get your mail.

I think that push is active while it is asleep, because calendar events are pushed and available as soon as it wakes up. It just seems that mail is not working 100% right now.

 

[MacBoobsPro]

So it turns out if we actually follow the set up instructions it works. For me at least. I was having problems but now I have actually done what Apple asked regarding setting MobileMe up everything works.

Go here and do every step then everything should work fine. If you believe you have done all this I urge you to check again because I thought I had but my iPhone was not set up correctly and I had to make 3 changes.

Do it!

 

[HolmesQatar]

Try logging out of .me and then log back in. If that doesn't work you may need to trash your com.apple.DotMacSync.001b639bd397.plist preference.

Found the file. Trashed it. Did nothing. Automatic only stays selected if I select none of the checkboxes to sync items. The moment I select one of them and restart system preferences the box changes to 'every hour'. Happens on both systems.

 

[bmk]

i think it still needs work as i also had some times yesterday when it was spotty...but, at least the feature itself is there, mobileme-to-mac IS push, when it works. On the other hand, mac-to-mobileme is most definitely NOT push.

I think that's about as concise a summing up of the situation as we've had so far!

 

[Chumkiu]

I am saddened that Apple are not bending over backwards to offer a solution to this mess..
Unfortunately, I don't think Steve Jobs really understands what this hick-up has done to the reputation of his company.
Apple have always been the company to keep things cloak and dagger, to always be ahead of the rest, and to claim superiority in no such words.
When you have a secrecy policy as tight as they do, you only can hope that when they do release whatever they have been keeping secret for months and months, that it is water tight and totally lives up to the hype.

With all Apple products previously I can say that they have, but for once Apple has fallen flat on their faces and now I can't take them seriously.
We are not imagining that Apple basically sold us Sync ical, and contacts, whilst advertising "Push Everything"!
I don't see how Steve Jobs has the cheek to be so smug and secretive about Apple products ever again after this sham.
There have been unquestionable errors, faults and defects with Apple products, but we haven't had so much as an explanation given over these forums or any others by the upper echelons at Apple, or less than knowledgeable Apple staff on the other end of the Apple care Telephone numbers. We just get ignored hoping that our peers have the answers.
Well this time, after all of Apple's Hoo Haa about Mobileme, about "Exchange for the rest of us" I'm afraid that people will not go quietly this time.

We need to continue until we get some sort of answer from Jobs or someone who actually knows what's going on....

 

[bemaniac]

I know it's probably been beaten to death in this thread, but I just wanted to say how utterly disappointed I am with Apple's attempt at a push service.

Sure, between MobileMe and iPhone works fine (though actually, not everything works perfectly for me), but the whole reason I bought this service was so that I wouldn't have to manually sync or wait for information on my computer to sync with the rest of my devices.

If all I wanted to do was be able to manually sync all my devices to my mac, I would have just connected the USB cord to my iPhone!

That being said, I do have faith in Apple, and if enough people are pissed about something, they may try to fix it. Who knows, maybe Apple already has "push from mac" in the works for an upcoming software update.

 

[Mindflux]

I just found this on the discussion forums over at Apple. It seems they aren't denying MobileMe->Mac = Push.

http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=116

Look at "Mobile Me on my Mac" (or PC section too)

Specifically says (Sync) in quotes.

 

[e.m.]

Mac to the cloud push not being supported is extremely upsetting.

Although push to the Mac seems to be working (well, only somewhat; both my experience and others on this thread), this does NOT include Mail. Push mail on the Mac is non existent.

Someone else pointed this out earlier, but I wanted to point it out again.

All of this is ridiculous.

 

[tommy125]

This quote:
"Make a change on your computer, and MobileMe updates your iPhone automatically. Likewise, when you make a change on your iPhone, it’s instantly pushed to your computer."

The "Likewise" is comparing the computer directly with the features on the iphone, ie. instantly.

Actually not directly, "used to introduce a point similar or related to" Apple's Legal team would debate this usage. But I'm feeling your frustration.


likewise |ˈlīkˌwīz|
adverb
1 in the same way; also : the dream of young people is to grow old, and it is likewise the dream of their parents to relive youth.
• used to introduce a point similar or related to one just made : you will forget the bad things that have happened in the past. Likewise, I will forget what you have done to me.

 

[tubagruv]

I just found this on the discussion forums over at Apple. It seems they aren't denying MobileMe->Mac = Push.

http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=116

Look at "Mobile Me on my Mac" (or PC section too)

Specifically says (Sync) in quotes.

After poring through as many Apple Discussions and documents as I can find, I can find no specific reference to a desktop platform having push capabilities. The advertising is deliberately misleading that way, and I'm as disappointed as anyone about that. Still, we now know that only iPhones (iTouches, also) and MobileMe are capable of push.

The desktop apps iCal and Address Book don't have push capabilities coded into the apps, so I don't see how they'd be able to initiate a push without specific software updates from Apple to enable them do just that. I doubt we'll ever see those updates. The development effort is clearly directed at the web apps. The desktop apps come with the machine for free, the web apps are subscription material.

Since Apple controls the apps, and clearly understands push technology, it would be easy to code iCal and Address Book to push changes to the cloud, and listen for pushed updates coming from the cloud for near-instant response. Perhaps for those of you running 10.5.4 (I'm not one of you, not yet,) that update to MobileMe on your desktop machine included more than that new icon in System Prefs. There may actually now be rudimentary support for push updates from the cloud to different apps. How well it works is clearly different for each of you, as this forum would indicate.

Apple's focus will continue to be squarely on the web apps. Rather than implement push technology for all your desktop apps, Apple would much rather see you use the web apps instead. They're designed to look and work like the desktop apps to get us off the desktop and into the cloud. Expect iCal and Address Book to languish as Apple concentrates on the web apps that all platforms can use. They may get push functionality sometime, but don't hold your breath.

 

[jplan2008]

O.K. First, I'm not "defending Apple" -- for a company that deals with both hardware and software, they had too many hardware and software glitches in different areas since Thursday night, and some of them are continuing. BUT let's put it in perspective:
First, the Apple support page the OP linked, talks about the issue of no push from Mac-cloud as a "symptom," so I'm not sure where the idea came from that there's "no fix coming." Maybe it will be soon, maybe in a long time, but calling it a "symptom" sounds to me like they're saying it shouldn't be this way.

As far as I know, Apple didn't start officially selling MobileMe until Friday, so new users have had it for 2 days or so, with a day of terrible web service, then all services except (from what I've read, I don't really use iWeb) iWeb publishing and push from desktop to cloud. But syncing from desktop to cloud every 15-60 minutes or manually has worked.
Old dot mac users had 24 hours of no webmail, several days of no iWeb, but now have a MUCH better web-based interface -- I'm not sure how anyone can compare it to Google's -- sign in and you have easy access to files with iDisk, galleries, mail, calendar, contacts, photo galleries and iWeb page. Gmail won't even let me make a personalized folder on-line, and doesn't have any good solution for syncing with my Mac and iPhone. I NEVER used dot mac's web interface if I could help it, and now I enjoy using MM's (now that the speed has improved). And we have double the storage that we had a week ago, now have push everything except Mac-MM, etc.
So, yes, it's been a disappointing roll-out, with more glitches than there should have been, but most services work much better than they did a week ago for me with dot mac, and new users have most of the features working. And it's only day 3, so I figure it will improve. Hopefully the new users who don't want to wait are on the free trial.
A technical question: on the web interface and on the iPhone, you have to press "save" (or something) when making a new contact or event, and I assume this instigates the push. Could the issue be that in iCal and address book, you don't, and therefore it would need constant polling to really push? If that's it, I assume a simple update to iCal and address book would solve the push issue on Macs.

 

[xix]

I still find MobileMe much better than .Mac and at least now I dont have to sync my iPhone all the time. Mostly I make changes on my iPhone, so it works for me!

How lovely for you!

 

[ItsGavinC]

How lovely for you!

It's actually lovely for all of us. I have only two complaints at this point

1) Updates on the Mac take 15 minutes to sync with Me.com/iPhone, *unless* you choose "sync now," in which case it is instant. Not a huge deal to press the extra button.

2) the bigger issue for me is that Me.com doesn't work with IE, and my IT guys won't allow me to install Safari or Firefox.

 

[b3studios]

MM vs old .Mac sync

Well, it seems that I am getting calendar events Pushed down from the Cloud to my iCal, but there are a few problems.
To get this to happen, I have to update an event on one Mac, then manually syc. As soon as the sync on that Mac is done, it shows up in my other Mac (and vise versa).

The main problem comes from the fact that I have to manually initiate the process. iCal/iSync set to automatically just doesn't seem to be syncing at decent intervals, certainly not every 15min.

As of right now, I updated a test event on one Mac at 3:36PM. It's not 4:07 and nothing has been sent up to the "cloud" according to system preferences > Mobile Me > Sync.

Additionally, I am unable to make changes in my web browser and have them show up in my desktop iCal because whenever I try to make a change online, there I get an error message.

How long after making a change on the old dot mac (set to automatically update) did it take to sync up?

I remember it being faster than every 15 minutes, and certainly faster than what I'm experiencing now.

EDIT:
http://gallery.me.com/hornsofglass#100273&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=0

seems that MM is now telling me that my data is invalid when I attempt a manual sync!
I've tried unregistering all the computers on my MM account and deleting the data on MM in system preferences.
All the info still shows up on the web after doing this.

Even tried resetting sync history. no go.

 

[Willis]

slightly annoying to say the least.

my mail doesnt like to push to my iphone. not sure why, but it doesnt.

Not doing the best of jobs at the moment Apple.

 

[xinevil]

I really hope Apple does implement the Mac->MobileMe Push, because now it is a little bit stupid. If I leave my PC within 15 minutes after adding something, there is a change it isn't synced, which is just unacceptable. Why have Push to and from the iPhone, and Push TO a Mac, but not from a Mac. It seems to me that checking if one of the applications used for Push (iCal, Address Book) has a change and then syncing shouldn't be that hard...

 

[yoomy]

it cant be that hard to fix this issue, should be done with a little update asap.

 

[longtran]

hello.
has anyone encountered this? i was trying to sync iCal -> MM Cal so i can have MM 'push' to iCal but this error popped up.
looks like apple gonna have to release an update for ical soon, Address Book on Mac/iPhone/MM push fine thou.

 

[Roller]

The desktop apps iCal and Address Book don't have push capabilities coded into the apps, so I don't see how they'd be able to initiate a push without specific software updates from Apple to enable them do just that. I doubt we'll ever see those updates. The development effort is clearly directed at the web apps. The desktop apps come with the machine for free, the web apps are subscription material.

Since Apple controls the apps, and clearly understands push technology, it would be easy to code iCal and Address Book to push changes to the cloud, and listen for pushed updates coming from the cloud for near-instant response. Perhaps for those of you running 10.5.4 (I'm not one of you, not yet,) that update to MobileMe on your desktop machine included more than that new icon in System Prefs. There may actually now be rudimentary support for push updates from the cloud to different apps. How well it works is clearly different for each of you, as this forum would indicate.

Apple's focus will continue to be squarely on the web apps. Rather than implement push technology for all your desktop apps, Apple would much rather see you use the web apps instead. They're designed to look and work like the desktop apps to get us off the desktop and into the cloud. Expect iCal and Address Book to languish as Apple concentrates on the web apps that all platforms can use. They may get push functionality sometime, but don't hold your breath.

The Web apps will only be suitable substitutes for their desktop counterparts when they provide the same functionality. So far, for example, I haven't found any way to add an alarm to an event using the Web interface. Plus, the Web apps are considerably pokier than the ones on my Mac.

Personally, I'd be willing to pay for a third-party desktop app that combined the functions of iCal and Address Book, used the same databases as them, and initiated a sync with the cloud after any change.

In the meantime, I wonder if some of this could be accomplished using AppleScript or something similar. I've been playing around trying to write a script that would initiate a sync at some interval under 15 minutes, but I haven't found a way to trigger the Sync Now sub-menu. I'm sure that this could also be done with QuicKeys or another macro utility, but I'd rather do it without an add-on.

 

[grempe]

Another strangeness. Partial sync

So here is another strange behavior I saw today.

Changed addressbook contact 'company name' field on desktop mac. Saved it and forced manual sync.

GOOD : Laptop mac : Sees company name change and syncs it (~15 min)

Mobile Me Web App : Still not showing updated name. (after ~ 1hour)

iPhone : Still not seeing updated name. (after ~ 1hour)



Does this work for anyone else with similar setup?

 

[scotty321]

Apple fu**ing lied to all of us!

Apple fu**ing lied to all of us!

And they are BLATANTLY LYING ON THEIR WEBSITE IN ALL OF THEIR MARKETING & GUIDED TOUR VIDEOS!!!

If you make a change to a contact or a calendar entry on your Mac, and then you put your Mac to sleep immediately, that change will NOT BE SEEN ON ANY OTHER DEVICE because the 15-minute interval hasn't passed.

APPLE, THIS IS NOT *PUSH* CALENDAR & CONTACTS! YOU ARE LIARS!!! YOU HAVE LIED TO ALL OF US!

This is actually FALSE ADVERTISING -- does anybody smell a class action lawsuit here?

Steve Jobs, you are a LIAR!

 

[scotty321]

Personally, I'd be willing to pay for a third-party desktop app that combined the functions of iCal and Address Book, used the same databases as them, and initiated a sync with the cloud after any change.

Everyone, our best bet is to use BusySync http://www.busysync.com because that actually DOES WORK AS ADVERTISED as a "push" service. Apple has LIED to us all, and their service does NOT work as advertised.

 

[chancee]

I second that. Steve Jobs is a liar. When I think back to his keynote address and how he presented everything... so unbelievably misleading and he knows it. They won't be getting my $100

 

[grempe]

Everyone, our best bet is to use BusySync http://www.busysync.com because that actually DOES WORK AS ADVERTISED as a "push" service. Apple has LIED to us all, and their service does NOT work as advertised.

Ummm, except that BusySync (which I am a paying customer of) only works with calendar entries (not contacts, not email, not bookmarks), and does not work at all with sync'ing to an iPhone.

So... not so much.

 

[NT1440]

Apple fu**ing lied to all of us!

And they are BLATANTLY LYING ON THEIR WEBSITE IN ALL OF THEIR MARKETING & GUIDED TOUR VIDEOS!!!

If you make a change to a contact or a calendar entry on your Mac, and then you put your Mac to sleep immediately, that change will NOT BE SEEN ON ANY OTHER DEVICE because the 15-minute interval hasn't passed.

APPLE, THIS IS NOT *PUSH* CALENDAR & CONTACTS! YOU ARE LIARS!!! YOU HAVE LIED TO ALL OF US!

This is actually FALSE ADVERTISING -- does anybody smell a class action lawsuit here?

Steve Jobs, you are a LIAR!

wanna calm down there a little sluggo? Give it some time for the kinks to get worked out, its been a MASSIVE rollout for Apple.