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From Apple Support: sorry, Its not Push..no fix comings
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Yes, at times this has been somewhat less than instant
But are you sure this isn't simply down to early teething troubles? This is the first real world test of the huge new system on a huge launch day when everyone was going to attacking the servers at the same time (which seems like madness in itself - don't know why they didn't launch MM earlier) but I am sure that after a bit of tweaking this is all going to work fine.
But are you sure this isn't simply down to early teething troubles? This is the first real world test of the huge new system on a huge launch day when everyone was going to attacking the servers at the same time (which seems like madness in itself - don't know why they didn't launch MM earlier) but I am sure that after a bit of tweaking this is all going to work fine.
Ok, guys, I'm just as pissed as you all here. But, a rational look at the situation will give you these facts:
What gives me most hope is iPhone's development. Remember, when it came out, it was WebApps-only? By 2.0, we have native Apps. There was no indication that this was going to happen.
If not by 10.5.5, I'm convinced we'll have full push that meets and exceeds the standard set by Exchange by 10.6. It fits perfectly with that release's mandate of "no new features, just fixes."
We're early adopters to a set of technologies that are revolutionary and novel in the context of individual consumers, just like the people who got the first generation iPhone way back when.
The kinks will be worked out. This is Apple. It's hard to see that through the anger over a cluster**** of a launch day, but I'm certain that that will be the case.
- The promotional literature is technically true. Yes, it sucks, and it's not tactics we'd expect from Apple, but it's true.
- The support article doesn't say that push isn't coming to Desktop. Implementing desktop push is a natural, logical step, and it's one that isn't technically hard to implement.
- As it is, MobileMe is more feature-complete as .Mac, and it's the same price.
What gives me most hope is iPhone's development. Remember, when it came out, it was WebApps-only? By 2.0, we have native Apps. There was no indication that this was going to happen.
If not by 10.5.5, I'm convinced we'll have full push that meets and exceeds the standard set by Exchange by 10.6. It fits perfectly with that release's mandate of "no new features, just fixes."
We're early adopters to a set of technologies that are revolutionary and novel in the context of individual consumers, just like the people who got the first generation iPhone way back when.
The kinks will be worked out. This is Apple. It's hard to see that through the anger over a cluster**** of a launch day, but I'm certain that that will be the case.
I may be mistaken, but I believe "push" is to mobile devices. "Push" is no intended your desktop apps. The industry standard is SyncML---yes I know the name has changed but common usage has not---and it works mostly with mobile devices.
Yes, I know Seamonkey and Thunderbird can work with the so-called "push" function of email servers, but that is not the norm. The norm is for "push" to work with mobile devices, not desktop apps. The so-called push function between Exchange and Outlook is not really using the industry standard.
Push is available on the iPhone. That is what Apple promised. Period. I don't use Thunderbird or Sea Monkey, so don't know if push works with those clients. But the business reality is this, if you need to be notified on your desktop more often than is allowed by the IMAP server, then you need to change to a different type of communications for that message---say, a telephone.
I've been noticing some discrepancies like the ones that have been mentioned before in this long thread, but I'm still giving Apple a few days to iron things out.
Otherwise, this will be a TRUE SCAM and a lie to us MacHeads and followers.
False advertising.
MobileMe is what got my girlfriend to get an iPhone. Gladly, she purchased MobileMe but is using a 60-day trial in the meantime.
THIS SUCKS.
Otherwise, this will be a TRUE SCAM and a lie to us MacHeads and followers.
False advertising.
MobileMe is what got my girlfriend to get an iPhone. Gladly, she purchased MobileMe but is using a 60-day trial in the meantime.
THIS SUCKS.
kameraman: i, unlike many on this forum, am fully willing to give apple time to fix kinks with launching mobileme and bugs related to push. that said, this appears to not be a bug at all, but rather a blatantly missing feature which flies in the face of every word from steve jobs and his employees during the WWDC conference and keynote video (still available via apple.com or itunes) and in the apple.com mobileme demo videos and in the text advertising of the service on apple.com all of which have never been changed or modified to this very second which is inexcusable. i am not paying $100 dollars a year for a push service that doesn't push from all my equipment and i sure as heck am not waiting for snow leapoard in 18 months for another $125 to fix this mess.
if it was a problem with the roll out... i can be patient, but this isn't a problem... IT IS A LIE.
Oh for goodness sake - get a grip people. If you don't want to spend $99 on MobileMe then don't. It really is that simple. Hey, if you're that miffed with Steve Jobs and Apple, well, you could always migrate to Vista!
Back on topic
It occurs to me that MobileMe is not Mac OS X software at all (there has not been a specific update for it apart from cosmetic) but rather a service on the web and iPhone software. The push is all to do with the MobileMe and the iPhone. I'm struggling to find any Apple reference that says anywhere that Push is part of the Mac OS X components. Even when you look at the .Mac/MobileMe Prefernces Panel in OS X it quite clearly says "Sync" not "Push".
No iPhone for me, but this is how it's working between my MBP and MobileMe:
Mac --->MobileMe = sync
MobileMe ---> Mac = push
Have been testing it numerous times today with contacts and iCal with consistent results.
That's the way it appears to me too, but the calendar web app just dies so I can no longer test that part of it.
Hey, I've got an idea. Let's consider what "push" means compared to, let's say, "pull".
Push would seem to me to push information to your computer (or iphone, or cloud)
Pull would be more normal (click a button, pull info from a server)
How is what MM is offering not "push". When do you have to pull anything, ever. On your mac, new info is pushed to your machine from the cloud. When you make changes on the computer, click sync, and what happens? Not just a mere sync, on no. All your new changes are "pushed" to all your other devices and computers.
Somebody give me an example (assuming no tech glitches) where you ever have to "pull" to get new information on any device.
Push would seem to me to push information to your computer (or iphone, or cloud)
Pull would be more normal (click a button, pull info from a server)
How is what MM is offering not "push". When do you have to pull anything, ever. On your mac, new info is pushed to your machine from the cloud. When you make changes on the computer, click sync, and what happens? Not just a mere sync, on no. All your new changes are "pushed" to all your other devices and computers.
Somebody give me an example (assuming no tech glitches) where you ever have to "pull" to get new information on any device.
I haven't spent $99 on MobileMe and can't see any reason to. I'm not complaining about it - I just understand why people who have spent the money would be frustrated. I like my new iPhone: it works as advertised. I personally don't see the appeal of MM -- you need to plug the iPhone into a charger quite often, why not plug it into the computer and let it sync? But if you've spent $99 for instant syncing "exchange for the rest of us", and it's not properly implemented... and some of the other advertised features are absent (like file sharing), then I think you have every right to complain. I thought they might have finally fixed the (bizarrely named) "dotMac" service, but apparently not... btw, does anyone remember the good ol' iTools days? That actually worked properly and was free just like gmail, google docs, hotmail, and all the other online services... and was good PR for Apple.
I think part of the answer here is your network setup. I never see Push to my Mac for Bookmarks, Cals or Contacts but there are no external ports directed to my Mac even Back To My Mac in MobileMe prefs stats I need to use a router that supports NAT-PMP or UPnP.
What is your setup like?
Again I am curious what router are you using? In the prefs for MobileMe, goto the Back To My Mac page. What colour light do you have for the service? (assuming you have it turned on).
I currently have a PC (yuck.. i know. the 3.06ghz iMac is coming soon) but everything seems to be pushing on mine. Maybe it's only Macs and not PC's having the push issues with MobileMe?
Well said.
Ahh, I think you've hit the nail on the head. So many people here are so quick to call Steve Jobs and Apple a liar without actually understanding the technology involved. But you are 100% right. It would be different if we were somehow sitting in the MobileMe cloud and having to "pull" the data from a desktop Mac, but that isn't case.
I think everyone needs to step back and really examine what is going on here and what MobileMe is actually all about (from what I can see, everything works just as it should and just as promised.)
The problem with this is that no amount of "pulling" from the iPhone will get you a new contact or appointment that has been made on your desktop. So technically no, you don't have to "pull" to get it, but that is a non-statement in this case.
huh?
When you've made your contact on your mac, click SYNC. It'll push to your iPhone, instantly.
Except the implication from the keynote and marketing was that if you add a calendar event on your mac, it will be instantly pushed to all your devices. The technicality was that this is true only if you add it using the web app at me.com...but then in that case why also advertise the "works with desktop apps you already use" angle? Blatantly there has been a deception here.
Apple marketing does NOT reflect current behavior
Apple Says:
http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/
Push email. Push contacts. Push calendar.
"MobileMe stores all your email, contacts, and calendars in the cloud and pushes them down to your iPhone, iPod touch, Mac, and PC. When you make a change on one device, the cloud updates the others. Push happens automatically, instantly, and continuously. You dont have to wait for it or remember to do anything such as docking your iPhone and syncing manually to stay up to date."
Emphasis is mine and this clearly implies that a change made on ANY device is pushed to any other "instantly and continuously". This does not reflect current behavior.
Apple Says:
http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/
Push email. Push contacts. Push calendar.
"MobileMe stores all your email, contacts, and calendars in the cloud and pushes them down to your iPhone, iPod touch, Mac, and PC. When you make a change on one device, the cloud updates the others. Push happens automatically, instantly, and continuously. You dont have to wait for it or remember to do anything such as docking your iPhone and syncing manually to stay up to date."
Emphasis is mine and this clearly implies that a change made on ANY device is pushed to any other "instantly and continuously". This does not reflect current behavior.
of course everything can be solved if you take some workarounds, that doesn't change the fact that apple made false ads and misled users.
Its fine you want to forgive apple, but thats not the point, isn't it?
Some of the people complaining here need some Valium or Ativan. Seriously, let's all act like adults.
The service has been operational for all of 4 days. Give it time. It might take one or two months to iron out the kinks.
If you don't like the MobileMe service, then get your money back. You can do the same with the iPhone.
This isn't a perfect world. Things don't happen with precision 100% of the time.
The service has been operational for all of 4 days. Give it time. It might take one or two months to iron out the kinks.
If you don't like the MobileMe service, then get your money back. You can do the same with the iPhone.
This isn't a perfect world. Things don't happen with precision 100% of the time.