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maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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If you want to waste your time talking about the Note Edge, there is thread about it already.
I'm not interesting discussing the Note Edge, but rather using that as an example of why I think Samsung is trying to push the envelope. I'm not fan of Samsung but I also don't think they're being complacent especially since the mobile phone division is doing rather poorly, i.e., there are no laurels to rest on since they're profits are down.
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
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They have precisely ruined the proportions/ratio that I found to be so beautiful on Note 3.

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WHY??? WHYYYYY Samsung?

It was exactly what made Note 3 so special. It was a phablet, but you could forgive because of the bezels and overall fell. It is the difference between clunky and not clunky, even though it is that little a difference. It means so much when you hold a device.
I can see that it would bother some but for me I didn't care. I rocked the original galaxy note for 18 months so this is nothing.
 

tbayrgs

macrumors 604
Jul 5, 2009
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Don't forget the SD card slot...removable battery. Ability to use the default storage of 32Gb as a hard to drive to drag and drop files. Oh and a file system.......

And you know none of that will matter to a consumer seriously considering an iPhone. If any/all of that is important to a consumer, they're already using an Android device.

There is nobody Samsung can steal customer from with their Note since it's basically been the only game in town. Where do you think Apple will get many of their customers for the 5.5" device?

I'm not trying to argue the merits of one device over the other because as Shanghaichica correctly pointed out, they really are very different and won't always target the same consumer--only that I think Samsung stands to lose quite a bit when Apple releases the 5.5" iPhone and didn't do themselves any favors by announcing today but not having the Note 4 available until well after Apple makes their announcement.
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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They have precisely ruined the proportions/ratio that I found to be so beautiful on Note 3.

Pictures from The Verge:

Image

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WHY??? WHYYYYY Samsung?

It was exactly what made Note 3 so special. It was a phablet, but you could forgive because of the bezels and overall fell. It is the difference between clunky and not clunky, even though it is that little a difference. It means so much when you hold a device.

So a device thats 2.3 mm longer, 0.6 mm narrower, and 0.3 mm thinner and using a display with identical dimensions to its predecessor is now wildly out of proportion? Seriously?

You now should see why people are having a tough time taking you seriously...
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
I'm not interesting discussing the Note Edge, but rather using that as an example of why I think Samsung is trying to push the envelope. I'm not fan of Samsung but I also don't think they're being complacent especially since the mobile phone division is doing rather poorly, i.e., there are no laurels to rest on since they're profits are down.

There's a fine line between pushing the envelope and throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks.

One implies a focus and direction. The other implies a "oh sh** what do we do now" mentality.

I feel like Samsung walks a tightrope between the two and too often comes down on the side of the latter.
 

ucfgrad93

macrumors Core
Aug 17, 2007
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So a device thats 2.3 mm longer, 0.6 mm narrower, and 0.3 mm thinner and using a display with identical dimensions to its predecessor is now wildly out of proportion? Seriously?

You now should see why people are having a tough time taking you seriously...

Agreed. There is barely a difference.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
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McKinney, TX
So a device thats 2.3 mm longer, 0.6 mm narrower, and 0.3 mm thinner and using a display with identical dimensions to its predecessor is now wildly out of proportion? Seriously?

You now should see why people are having a tough time taking you seriously...

Same people that complain about how thin and tall the iPhone was (and will complain about the 6).

Do people not realize that

(a) the display is exactly the same size.

(b) making it thinner (width wise) makes it EASIER TO USE WITH ONE HAND.

(c) the only reason one is attached to any given dimension is because said person has used that dimension for a certain length of time and is used to it. You'll get used to the new version (and will probably like it better).
 

tbayrgs

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There's a fine line between pushing the envelope and throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks.

One implies a focus and direction. The other implies a "oh sh** what do we do now" mentality.

I feel like Samsung walks a tightrope between the two and too often comes down on the side of the latter.

JR--why does it matter how they get there? It should be reasonably clear that I'm not a huge fan of Samsung's mobile products but seriously, who cares what method of 'R&D' they use if something innovative or even just useful comes out of it, even if it's 1 in 100 tries?
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
JR--why does it matter how they get there? It should be reasonably clear that I'm not a huge fan of Samsung's mobile products but seriously, who cares what method of 'R&D' they use if something innovative or even just useful comes out of it, even if it's 1 in 100 tries?

I never said it mattered how they did it. Though I feel like with their R&D and collective corporate power they could be more successful with the focus approach.

It doesn't affect me one way or the other. Just seems like a waste sometimes. I mean so far what has their approach wrought? They're in decline, have innovated one product (The Note) and have split their product lines so much I don't think anyone knows all the variations.

Wasn't fragmenting product lines a big reason why Apple went under in the 90s? I'm not saying Samsung will, but it doesn't seem to be getting them where they want to be (in Apple's spot).

It remains to be seen if the "see what sticks" approach actually nets them anything. The Note series is about the only innovation to come out of Samsung Mobile. They cut down on the software gimmicks because TouchWiz has become so bloated and now we're getting things like the Edge. Different, but ultimately problematic for lefties and a feature that doesn't solve any need/problem.

I get they want to show off their curved displays. Though I'm still skeptical that curved displays solve any need or problem.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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But that's all it needs to be competitive with the Note. I see quite a few Notes out in public and a few friends own them but you know what I rarely see being used, if ever? The S-Pen--my friends even admit they never use it, forget it's even there. Quite a lot of people love the Note simply because of the extra screen real estate--they just want a bigger phone.

The fact that you can use multi-window or that it has a stylus makes no difference to what I'd guess is a pretty substantial number of Note users. And until now, if you wanted a phone with a big screen, your choices were basically the Note and a few other minor devices. Samsung is now going to have to share the 'Consumers who just want a big screen' pie with Apple.

I don't know about that, do you have numbers or research to back that up besides observing a few people? I don't claim to have the answer either, but I do know that stylus use is incredibly important to me. If the Note series didn't have the stylus I would most likely not buy it and would probably prefer a LG G3 or the 5.5" iPhone. Multi window is probably a little used feature because Samsung are morons and only allow a few apps to be used this way. You can root and install an xposed module that allows any app to be used multi window, but how many consumers will go to that trouble?

Add to that how incredible OneNote for Android is now. With true handwriting support, seamless and lightning fast syncing, and searchable handwriting I just cannot fathom ever taking notes with another device.

It's just my personal opinion but I have a feeling that the stylus plays a pretty big part in a consumer decision within that group of consumers who have already decided they want a phablet.

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They have precisely ruined the proportions/ratio that I found to be so beautiful on Note 3.

Pictures from The Verge:

Image

Image

WHY??? WHYYYYY Samsung?

It was exactly what made Note 3 so special. It was a phablet, but you could forgive because of the bezels and overall fell. It is the difference between clunky and not clunky, even though it is that little a difference. It means so much when you hold a device.

I don't see the difference really. The N4 is a tiny bit longer and narrower, which is actually a plus with holding it into the hand. Otherwise I see the corners are a touch more squared off. The top and bottom bezels look a tiny bit larger too, but only a tiny bit. The side bezels look exactly the same.

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And you know none of that will matter to a consumer seriously considering an iPhone. If any/all of that is important to a consumer, they're already using an Android device.

There is nobody Samsung can steal customer from with their Note since it's basically been the only game in town. Where do you think Apple will get many of their customers for the 5.5" device?

I'm not trying to argue the merits of one device over the other because as Shanghaichica correctly pointed out, they really are very different and won't always target the same consumer--only that I think Samsung stands to lose quite a bit when Apple releases the 5.5" iPhone and didn't do themselves any favors by announcing today but not having the Note 4 available until well after Apple makes their announcement.

Well Samsung stole me from my iPhone, who knows how many other users are out there like myself. I do agree that Samsung messed up not releasing the phone before the iPhone.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
I thought the software update improved things. It did not come through yet for me so I have not been able to try the performace.

It did improve it slightly but when you compare my moto x side by side the s5 still has to reload apps after about 4 open, the moto x can open without refreshing more than double that. The S5 update improves multitasking lag and smooths the UI even further, but yeah it still suffers from reloads.
 

Tig Bitties

macrumors 603
Sep 6, 2012
5,517
5,692
Samsung should have put in a larger battery, not just 3250mAh :rolleyes: This beast needs at least a 3,500mAh.

And locked down ? LOL you betcha :mad: ATT Note 4 might get root after the New Year, and custom Recovery for ROM's :p LOL ain't gonna happen.

Sadly the Note 2 was the last best Samsung phone IMO. Back then my ATT carrier Note 2 had Development ready and going the very first week of release, and the phone was easy to root right out of the box then, and custom Recovery was available day one at launch. And battery life on the Note 2 with a good tweak ROM was off the charts awesome, to this day my best battery life phone ever. I was getting 8h On Screen time easily, and 48hrs total life no problem on my Note 2.

Oh well, here's hoping Google's first stock Nexus phablet device the 5.9" Motorola Nexus X is all that.
 

tbayrgs

macrumors 604
Jul 5, 2009
7,467
5,097
I don't know about that, do you have numbers or research to back that up besides observing a few people? I don't claim to have the answer either, but I do know that stylus use is incredibly important to me. If the Note series didn't have the stylus I would most likely not buy it and would probably prefer a LG G3 or the 5.5" iPhone. Multi window is probably a little used feature because Samsung are morons and only allow a few apps to be used this way. You can root and install an xposed module that allows any app to be used multi window, but how many consumers will go to that trouble?

Add to that how incredible OneNote for Android is now. With true handwriting support, seamless and lightning fast syncing, and searchable handwriting I just cannot fathom ever taking notes with another device.

It's just my personal opinion but I have a feeling that the stylus plays a pretty big part in a consumer decision within that group of consumers who have already decided they want a phablet.

Well of course there are Note customers that love the device because of the S-Pen functionality, but assuming it's the only reason they choose the Note is as flawed as assuming that they only chose it because of the larger display, something I never stated. I think it's fairly safe to assume that there are a fairly significant number of both customers as while anecdotal, we both have first hand experience supporting this claim.

Well Samsung stole me from my iPhone, who knows how many other users are out there like myself. I do agree that Samsung messed up not releasing the phone before the iPhone.

Again, I wasn't dealing in absolutes but I think Samsung stands to lose much more than they can gain. This year's Note offers nothing substantial new--it's a better version of last years Note for certain but nearly everything it offers by way of user experience was available to consumers in last years model. However, if customers wanted a large phone using iOS, there was no option, they either had to compromise by using an iPhone with a much smaller display or something like the Note running a different OS. That likely changes this year and there's a good chance many of those in the latter category will switch from the Note.
 

ucfgrad93

macrumors Core
Aug 17, 2007
19,579
10,875
Colorado
Another reason to be excited http://www.sammobile.com/2014/09/03/samsung-partners-with-montblanc-for-stylish-galaxy-note-4-styli/

The Pens and Wallets from Mont Blanc,

I'm getting both.

I hope you don't lose them.

Today, Samsung has announced the Galaxy Note 4 with a metal frame which gives it a premium look and in-hand feel. It appears that Samsung doesn’t want to stop there and has decided to give a similar stylish treatment to its stylus. In partnership with premium writing instrument maker Montblanc, Samsung has announced two new custom styli for Galaxy Note series of smartphones and tablets. These two styli from Montblanc; the Pix and the e-StarWalker, are being termed as “digital writing devices”. Their design closely resembles to that of real pens with interchangeable nibs. The e-StarWalker would cost $525 while the Pix is priced at $350.

Apart from those styli, Montblanc also displayed two new flip covers for the Galaxy Note 4. The “Extreme” flip cover is made up of a threaded fabric which looks similar to band-aid design of the Samsung Galaxy S5. The “Soft Grain” flip cover has a more classic leather look. Both these flip covers are priced at $245.
 

The Game 161

macrumors Nehalem
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Dec 15, 2010
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More I look at the note 4 the more I love the overall design. I also think the screen improvement will be noticeable too
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
11,488
5,413
Well of course there are Note customers that love the device because of the S-Pen functionality, but assuming it's the only reason they choose the Note is as flawed as assuming that they only chose it because of the larger display, something I never stated. I think it's fairly safe to assume that there are a fairly significant number of both customers as while anecdotal, we both have first hand experience supporting this claim.



Again, I wasn't dealing in absolutes but I think Samsung stands to lose much more than they can gain. This year's Note offers nothing substantial new--it's a better version of last years Note for certain but nearly everything it offers by way of user experience was available to consumers in last years model. However, if customers wanted a large phone using iOS, there was no option, they either had to compromise by using an iPhone with a much smaller display or something like the Note running a different OS. That likely changes this year and there's a good chance many of those in the latter category will switch from the Note.

I agree, the larger iPhone is going to attract customers in mass and bring back a lot of Android converts back. As I mentioned I would go back to the iphone if it had a stylus. The N4 is a nice incremental upgrade, but it's nothing drastic that is going to make consumers drool. It's a shame they spent all their time on specs, CPU, resolution when those things seem like such overkill, I don't think I could care less as there really isn't any app or even game that would take advantage of that horsepower.
 

The Game 161

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I agree, the larger iPhone is going to attract customers in mass and bring back a lot of Android converts back. As I mentioned I would go back to the iphone if it had a stylus. The N4 is a nice incremental upgrade, but it's nothing drastic that is going to make consumers drool. It's a shame they spent all their time on specs, CPU, resolution when those things seem like such overkill, I don't think I could care less as there really isn't any app or even game that would take advantage of that horsepower.
I'm not sure it will

Those that want that size will go for the note. Which is likely to blow away the 5'5 version in most areas you will find.

What features could it add to top the note 4? Maybe they wow me but I doubt it
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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I'm not sure it will

Those that want that size will go for the note. Which is likely to blow away the 5'5 version in most areas you will find.

What features could it add to top the note 4? Maybe they wow me but I doubt it

One word -- iOS.

Come on Game, you know better. If it was all about specs alone, the iPhone would have zero users. I'm not saying iOS is better, just that its something not available on the Note and a feature of the iPhone that many people value more than anything.
 

Cnasty

macrumors 68040
Jul 2, 2008
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I see a lot of people jumping back to iOS and the new iPhone with this release.

There are a lot of great Android devices out there right now in the G3,M8,OPO but to the everyday average consumer how many actually even know what these phones are?

Bring in a larger device that is widely known, enhancements to the OS, and also launch wearable tech at the same time? Apple is going to break records IMO with this release compared to their other launches.

I for one will be checking it out and 90% sure I am going back as I am currently on WP and will not touch Android again unless its a stock device or L comes along soon.
 

The Game 161

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One word -- iOS.

Come on Game, you know better. If it was all about specs alone, the iPhone would have zero users. I'm not saying iOS is better, just that its something not available on the Note and a feature of the iPhone that many people value more than anything.
IPhone is a great product I'm not doubting that and I've said all along if I'm to leave the note line it will be for the 5'5 iPhone bit the features need to be there. The widgets need to be there for me. The s pen is a great feature and useful but it wouldn't be the sole reason to buy the note for me.

I see Alot of people moaning about iOS granted not as much as tw. IPhone is great where it just works. You don't need to be techy to enjoy the experience. I want the iPhone 5'5 to wow me so I can choose between the two but I fear it won't come near what the note offers. Hope I'm wrong.
 

Cnasty

macrumors 68040
Jul 2, 2008
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One word -- iOS.

Come on Game, you know better. If it was all about specs alone, the iPhone would have zero users. I'm not saying iOS is better, just that its something not available on the Note and a feature of the iPhone that many people value more than anything.

Totally agree.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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IPhone is a great product I'm not doubting that and I've said all along if I'm to leave the note line it will be for the 5'5 iPhone bit the features need to be there. The widgets need to be there for me. The s pen is a great feature and useful but it wouldn't be the sole reason to buy the note for me.

I see Alot of people moaning about iOS granted not as much as tw. IPhone is great where it just works. You don't need to be techy to enjoy the experience. I want the iPhone 5'5 to wow me so I can choose between the two but I fear it won't come near what the note offers. Hope I'm wrong.

Widgets also are a reason I stay with Android, they are so incredibly useful at a glance. With the huge Note screen widgets absolutely transform the way you see your information. It's a shame because it seems like most consumers are ignorant at how powerful widgets are.
 

The Game 161

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Widgets also are a reason I stay with Android, they are so incredibly useful at a glance. With the huge Note screen widgets absolutely transform the way you see your information. It's a shame because it seems like most consumers are ignorant at how powerful widgets are.
Agreed I have do many and love them

Cbs sports news for nba and tennis, football, calendar, Google now are musts for me. The removable battery feature is something I'm do used to now.
 
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