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torana355

macrumors 68040
Dec 8, 2009
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Sydney, Australia
I can't seem to get a good one. Went through 5 of them, yes that's FIVE. Every one had a hardware issue, what a piece of crap in terms of QC. I absolutely love the phone, best phone I've ever used in my life, but the issues are really going to force me to sell it. I'm not a big fan of the iphone 6 plus so I have no idea what phone I would get.

Luck of the draw, ive got a few mates who saw my Note 4 and got one themselves, one of them got the Edge and they are all perfect units.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
11,488
5,413
Same here. I had my heart set on one but all had a loose volume rocker, and I can't be doing with that. I ended up with the 6+, which is kind of meh. The Nexus 6 is too big and has no real features. I'd say they're your three options right now until the next wave of phones come out.

Yeah I'm bummed, not great options. The ip6+ is so limited in functionality I don't think I could ever go back to something as primitive. The Nexus 6 is a bit too big for my liking. I'd probably consider a G3 or MotoX, who knows.
 

Tsepz

macrumors 601
Jan 24, 2013
4,888
4,698
Johannesburg, South Africa
Yeah I'm bummed, not great options. The ip6+ is so limited in functionality I don't think I could ever go back to something as primitive. The Nexus 6 is a bit too big for my liking. I'd probably consider a G3 or MotoX, who knows.

A real shame you've had so many issue with the Note 4 units you got as when one gets a good unit it is pure joy to use. I am thoroughly enjoying mine so much that all I am interested in now is Lollipop, there is simply no other phone I can go to as it would feel like a downgrade.

I would avoid the G3 and rather look at possibly a Sony Xperia Z3, OnePlus One or as you said, Moto X. In terms of phablets, once you leave the Note there isn't much other than Nexus 6 and Note Edge (essentially a Note 4 variant). Have you looked at the Moto Droid Turbo or its unbranded twin the Moto Maxx?

Have you looked into Windows Phone as well? The Lumia 1520 still seems to be one hell of a fine device.
 

samven582

macrumors 6502a
Jan 2, 2009
774
77
This is MacRumors, so let's get OCD for a minute.

TL;DR Summary:
Basically my display has a fairly noticeable brightness/gamma gradient from top to bottom. It doesn't really impact normal phone usage, but you see it as a white point shift. In video, black crush is visible on one end of the display.

After discovering the gradient I found threads complaining about this issue on previous devices with AMOLED displays. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786&page=5

It is apparently a common variance in the display tech, and if that's the case then maybe it's worth it for the incredible black levels and color gamut? Both of those aspects are very impressive.

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I was testing out the device yesterday and noticed that it seemed a little bluer towards the bottom. I'd seen this on a store display model too and at both times I wrote it off as white point variance, which you'll also see on most IPS panels.

Later in the evening I was in "inverse" mode (white on black) reading some forums when I noticed that the dark grey boxes that were part of the forum interface (would be light grey in non-inverted mode) were disappearing in the bottom 3rd of the screen. Uh oh, time to go to the display tests.

What I found is that the gamma and brightness were both different in the bottom 1/3 of the screen. While all squares were visible on the lagom.nl black level test in the top half, towards the bottom I'd lose as many as the first 9-10 shades of dark grey. It wasn't just black crush as the gamma was clearly higher (darker) on this end as well. High res images (like the ones included on the phone in the gallery) confirmed that near-black detail was being lost in the bottom 1/3.

This is extremely obvious with solid color backgrounds. Doing fills at various grey levels on Sketchbook makes it pretty obvious if you have a significant gamma gradient.

Before I go any further I'm going to repeat that this is not a big issue for any kind of normal usage. In general what you see (on white) is a slight color shift which looks a lot like the variances you can get in LCD panels. The only reason I'm even looking at it this closely is because the OLED black levels are so impressive (better than my Pioneer plasma) that I might actually watch video content on this screen, something I've never done with a phone before. As a result it's getting the same treatment I'd give a TV.

So here are some images. First you can see what looks like white point variance on a bright screen (of course on camera it's more apparent that this is a brightness variation; I didn't initially pick this out as a brightness issue):
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And now a dark grey which highlights the black crush:
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It's not unlike something you could see on a plasma TV actually. A high end PDP wouldn't have that much variance and it would be a peak brightness that changed instead of gamma, but I just think the fact that the panels have a similar type of variance is interesting considering the similarities between the display technologies.

I can't say anything about how common this is, and I'm also not suggesting that it's a good reason to exchange (as I mentioned the effect doesn't bother me in normal, non-video usage). The display is otherwise quite impressive and I've really been enjoying having access to a Wacom digitizer at all times.

Basically take whatever you want (including that I'm being obsessive) from this. I just felt like presenting the information in a place where over-analyzing details is generally accepted.
I plan to get a note 4. Is this still a problem?
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
11,488
5,413
A real shame you've had so many issue with the Note 4 units you got as when one gets a good unit it is pure joy to use. I am thoroughly enjoying mine so much that all I am interested in now is Lollipop, there is simply no other phone I can go to as it would feel like a downgrade.

I would avoid the G3 and rather look at possibly a Sony Xperia Z3, OnePlus One or as you said, Moto X. In terms of phablets, once you leave the Note there isn't much other than Nexus 6 and Note Edge (essentially a Note 4 variant). Have you looked at the Moto Droid Turbo or its unbranded twin the Moto Maxx?

Have you looked into Windows Phone as well? The Lumia 1520 still seems to be one hell of a fine device.

I've been highly interested in windows phones for a long time now, but haven't found any of the hardware very compelling. I'm hoping something straight from Microsoft will be more enticing.

I'm still bummed about my Note 4. It's the latest replacement and it is crazy. It has this odd stutter every 5 seconds or so, the entire phone freezes for a second. I've tried flashing a ton of custom ROMs and I get the same one in them all. Weirdly enough it's only NK4 based ROMs. I flashed CM12 onto it and no stutter!! I think it has something weird to do with NK4. I also thought my GPS issue was fixed, but last night it started to show up again on this phone. Lastly the camera sucks on it.

I'm VERY impressed how well CM12 runs and how fast it is, it is MUCH faster than any custom ROM I've used so far. I'm going to run it like this for a couple of weeks and see how it goes.
 

JackieInCo

Suspended
Jul 18, 2013
5,178
1,601
Colorado
lol @ you guys waiting for a months-old OS to 'drop'.

Just get a Nexus if you're not going to root, manges.

I have a Nexus 4 that's upgraded to Lolipop. Too me, there's really nothing special about, just say minor changes and a few new features like battery saver.

I still bought a Note 4 and I would never ever think of rooting it. Most people on the Android Central forums say there isn't much benefit to doing so. If and when my Note 4 is offered Lolipop, I'll be giving it a lot of thought before upgrading.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
11,488
5,413
lol @ you guys waiting for a months-old OS to 'drop'.

Just get a Nexus if you're not going to root, manges.

The Note 4 and Nexus are 2 significantly different phones, I'm confused how something that obvious escapes people. But in your defense maybe you don;'t have much experience using the Note 4. It's not just size versus size, you would be losing out on a lot of stuff, multi window, Spen, etc. Trust me, being a victim of Samsungs horrible quality control I'd love nothing more than to get the Nexus, but I find it difficult to give up the stuff that the Note 4 has, some of which is unique to that one phone in the entire smartphone market.
 

JackieInCo

Suspended
Jul 18, 2013
5,178
1,601
Colorado
The Note 4 and Nexus are 2 significantly different phones, I'm confused how something that obvious escapes people. But in your defense maybe you don;'t have much experience using the Note 4. It's not just size versus size, you would be losing out on a lot of stuff, multi window, Spen, etc. Trust me, being a victim of Samsungs horrible quality control I'd love nothing more than to get the Nexus, but I find it difficult to give up the stuff that the Note 4 has, some of which is unique to that one phone in the entire smartphone market.

There's also the ability for the Note 4 to take my heart rate and other things using the built in sensor on the back of the phone right below the camera.

The Nexus 6 doesn't have anything like this. Plus, I can control my cable box and any of my TVs using the smart remote app. So much is built into this phone that I use.

As far as quality control, my Note 4 is perfect. Samsungs Quality control is probably no worse than Apples. Just read the forums here and you'll see that.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
14,738
6,109
I went through 2 t-mobile note 4's this weekend that had hardware defects with the camera. The camera would not focus unless you shook the device.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
11,488
5,413
As far as quality control, my Note 4 is perfect. Samsungs Quality control is probably no worse than Apples. Just read the forums here and you'll see that.

Yeah I'm sure that's the case, I'm just a bit jaded after having my 5th defective Note 4.
 

tbayrgs

macrumors 604
Jul 5, 2009
7,467
5,097
Yeah I'm sure that's the case, I'm just a bit jaded after having my 5th defective Note 4.

Doc, considering you seem to like CM, why not try a One Plus? Disregarding the company's ridiculous business practices, the vast majority of personal accounts I read from One Plus owners have nothing but praise for it. And you certainly can't beat the price.

If that isn't an enticing option, in your shoes I'd probably wait to see what HTC unveils next month. If the rumors are true, that stands to be one hell of a device.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
11,488
5,413
Doc, considering you seem to like CM, why not try a One Plus? Disregarding the company's ridiculous business practices, the vast majority of personal accounts I read from One Plus owners have nothing but praise for it. And you certainly can't beat the price.

If that isn't an enticing option, in your shoes I'd probably wait to see what HTC unveils next month. If the rumors are true, that stands to be one hell of a device.

Those are definitely nice devices. I'm just kind of hooked on the stylus and multi window. CM is nice, but I've grown to kind of hate Lollipop so I'm not sure if I even want to upgrade to it, but I suppose there are always custom ROMs.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
Doc, considering you seem to like CM, why not try a One Plus? Disregarding the company's ridiculous business practices, the vast majority of personal accounts I read from One Plus owners have nothing but praise for it. And you certainly can't beat the price.

If that isn't an enticing option, in your shoes I'd probably wait to see what HTC unveils next month. If the rumors are true, that stands to be one hell of a device.
Problem is if you do by Murphy's law get a dodgy One Plus One after sales / care support is atrocious. Should you get the bad backlight, or the yellow screen, or the dodgy volume/power button issues - your in for a nightmare getting support.
 

Tsepz

macrumors 601
Jan 24, 2013
4,888
4,698
Johannesburg, South Africa
I've been highly interested in windows phones for a long time now, but haven't found any of the hardware very compelling. I'm hoping something straight from Microsoft will be more enticing.

I'm still bummed about my Note 4. It's the latest replacement and it is crazy. It has this odd stutter every 5 seconds or so, the entire phone freezes for a second. I've tried flashing a ton of custom ROMs and I get the same one in them all. Weirdly enough it's only NK4 based ROMs. I flashed CM12 onto it and no stutter!! I think it has something weird to do with NK4. I also thought my GPS issue was fixed, but last night it started to show up again on this phone. Lastly the camera sucks on it.

I'm VERY impressed how well CM12 runs and how fast it is, it is MUCH faster than any custom ROM I've used so far. I'm going to run it like this for a couple of weeks and see how it goes.

Thats a shame, they truly gave you a lemon, they must just refund you now. Glad you're at least enjoying CM12.


lol @ you guys waiting for a months-old OS to 'drop'.

Just get a Nexus if you're not going to root, manges.

Getting a Nexus 6 would be a step back for me, its missing a lot of functionality that is unique to the Note 4, and the Nexus 6 batt life is not as good as the Note's.
 

JackieInCo

Suspended
Jul 18, 2013
5,178
1,601
Colorado
Getting a Nexus 6 would be a step back for me, its missing a lot of functionality that is unique to the Note 4, and the Nexus 6 batt life is not as good as the Note's.

Exactly. It's lacking in features and they want $700 for the 64GB version. They can keep it.
 

nviz22

Cancelled
Jun 24, 2013
5,277
3,071
For those who use an iPhone w/ a nano sim and micro sim adapter with their Note 4, do you guys use iMessage? Apparently I might have to turn off iMessage to get seamless texts on my Note 4? I like iMessage for using iOS though. I don't want to activate a new line of service for a backup phone when I go to the gym. The Note 4 is simply too big at the gym.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
For those who use an iPhone w/ a nano sim and micro sim adapter with their Note 4, do you guys use iMessage? Apparently I might have to turn off iMessage to get seamless texts on my Note 4? I like iMessage for using iOS though. I don't want to activate a new line of service for a backup phone when I go to the gym. The Note 4 is simply too big at the gym.


As said in previous thread, if the note 4 is your primary device for the majority of time, then iMessage is irrelevant surely. You will only ever be able to use it when your at the gym, and if your training at the gym are you actually texting/iMessaging so much that you 'need it'? Besides if you can get wifi at the gym you could still iMessage using your iCloud email rather than mobile number (without even putting a sim in the phone).

If your using the Note 4 for vast amount of time, iMessaging to your mobile number is irrelevant or you should start thinking of it being so.. Yes you can activate and deactivate it, but unless your actually using the phone for long periods of time rather than a few hours at the gym, you could find yourself giving your contacts a pain and likely create more chances of SMS's not arriving at all....
 

Tinmania

macrumors 68040
Aug 8, 2011
3,528
1,016
Aridzona
I have to say the fingerprint scanner is really getting on my nerves.

It works for me 90%+ of the time. But that other 10% is when I am in a rush and what truly BOTHERS me is the "5 strikes and you are out" feature that makes me wait 30 seconds before trying again. That setting should be configurable. It's easy to use up 1 or 2 attempts before even realizing it.

Worse, it is not like someone is sitting there trying to "guess" your fingerprint. So wtf is up with 5 attempts and you are put in time-out. Ugh.




Mike
 

Ngwidener

macrumors member
Nov 5, 2012
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For those who use an iPhone w/ a nano sim and micro sim adapter with their Note 4, do you guys use iMessage? Apparently I might have to turn off iMessage to get seamless texts on my Note 4? I like iMessage for using iOS though. I don't want to activate a new line of service for a backup phone when I go to the gym. The Note 4 is simply too big at the gym.



I use iMessage and I have no problems switching between the Note 4 and 6+.
 
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