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BlueGoldAce

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I don't think so. Basically the S6 edge is very hard to make, and they just couldn't make them as planned, while the regular s6 was a total flop, judging by the latest few financial reports, with another huge 40% drop in net profit for Samsung Mobile, while the actual sales numbers are very close to what they were 1 year ago, in the same period. As such, the drop is all related with how poorly the S series is doing.

I am not saying your wrong, but if you google it, this is what I meant.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-q2-misjudge-s6-edge-demand/

Samsung most likely is trying to learn from their recent mistake.
 

GadgetSN

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Simply put, they should just release a Note Edge 2 at the price point of the Edge Plus.

The Note 5 will become even more niche this time round.

Why waste resources producing two models.

Also next time round, they need to forget the S7 and just release a single Edge 2 model.
 
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Dave245

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I don't think so. Basically the S6 edge is very hard to make, and they just couldn't make them as planned, while the regular s6 was a total flop, judging by the latest few financial reports, with another huge 40% drop in net profit for Samsung Mobile, while the actual sales numbers are very close to what they were 1 year ago, in the same period. As such, the drop is all related with how poorly the S series is doing.

i wonder which model does better for Samsung the S or the Note series? personally i would of said the Note simply because of it's features. Even as an iPhone user i have to admit some of the features of the Note 4 sounded good.
 

danb1979

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I loved my Note 4, but have to admit that the bloatware and cack on there annoyed the hell out of me..

I prefer a pure Vanilla Android experience so sold the Note 4 and bought a Nexus 6 outright and won't be parted with it... It is my business mobile now as I treated myself a few weeks ago to an iPhone 6 Plus as I've installed a Pioneer CarPlay head-unit to my BMW so wanted the ease and functionality of Apple where I go ;)

The Nexus 6 though is a brilliant phone; got rid of the OEM OS and put Nova on there, Textra instead of the standard messaging app etc... Basically I wiped it and started again with what I WANTED on the phone and got rid of the rest!

I'm very interested to see what they come up with for the Note 5 and know already that I'll buy one; whether I'll keep it though is another question! The possible lack of a removable battery or non-upgradable memory isn't an issue for me!

I just like to fiddle with new technologies :D
 
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Tig Bitties

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I read some site, saying the old 4,100mAh battery size rumor is true still. I e-mailed the dude asking show me proof, because everything I read in the past week, all but guaranteed the tiny small 3,000mAh battery for the Note 5. Nothing whatsoever saying the Note 5 is getting a massive 4,100mAh battery like it needs.
 

apolloa

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Can we show a picture of the side? Because that's where you are going to find the necessary justification.

Ah so your a follower of Apples ridiculous obsession with making something as thin as a human hair and thus has very poor battery life. Gotcha. BTW the G3 has a removable back so will be thicker anyway. And no, the justification is to do with the home button as I said. And MANY people would refer a back that makes the camera flush and have a bigger battery.
 

nj-morris

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Ah so your a follower of Apples ridiculous obsession with making something as thin as a human hair and thus has very poor battery life. Gotcha. BTW the G3 has a removable back so will be thicker anyway. And no, the justification is to do with the home button as I said. And MANY people would refer a back that makes the camera flush and have a bigger battery.

There's some weird thing with the iPhone having bad battery life. It doesn't. In fact, the 6 Plus has industry leading battery life. Just because they make their phones thin, it doesn't mean that they're doing the wrong thing just because the battery life could have been better. Did you see Phil Schiller in the talk show podcast? He said that a thicker design results in better battery life, but it also has trade-offs, like being heavier, and taking longer to charge, and the thickness of the iPhones are a good compromise between the two, and I agree, not out of sycophancy, but genuinely. For example, having a phone which can last you a full day is good, and obviously OEMs want to get as close to that as possible. But anything beyond that is pointless. The iPhone 6 has a battery which can last you a full day in most use cases, and the 6 Plus obviously more so.
Oh and by the way, the back of the LG G3 is barely thicker than the back of the iPhone. The reason why the G3 has a bigger battery than it looks (when viewing it inside the phone) is because it's so thick.
 
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tbayrgs

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There's some weird thing with the iPhone having bad battery life. It doesn't. In fact, the 6 Plus has industry leading battery life. Just because they make their phones thin, it doesn't mean that they're doing the wrong thing just because the battery life could have been better.

Agreed, I've always seen good, if not great battery performance from my iPhones. My 6+ is a battery champ...and surprising appears even better running iOS 9. :eek: Unless I'm doing some serious prolonged gaming (which happens rarely on my phone), I never have a problem getting through the day, usually with a pretty substantial amount of battery life remaining (almost always end the day with at least 50% left). But to be fair, neither of the iPhones have the super hi-res displays found on recent Android flagships (a good thing IMO as QHD on a 5-6" device is overkill) and as Apple controls both the hardware AND software, they are at an advantage when it comes to optimization.

To be fair, the Note series have a history of being battery champs as well so here's hoping that trend continues with the Note 5.
 

jamezr

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Agreed, I've always seen good, if not great battery performance from my iPhones. My 6+ is a battery champ...and surprising appears even better running iOS 9. :eek: Unless I'm doing some serious prolonged gaming (which happens rarely on my phone), I never have a problem getting through the day, usually with a pretty substantial amount of battery life remaining (almost always end the day with at least 50% left). But to be fair, neither of the iPhones have the super hi-res displays found on recent Android flagships (a good thing IMO as QHD on a 5-6" device is overkill) and as Apple controls both the hardware AND software, they are at an advantage when it comes to optimization.

To be fair, the Note series have a history of being battery champs as well so here's hoping that trend continues with the Note 5.
One thing my iPhone 6+ was the best at was stand by time. It seemed like it never lost battery life unless it was being used!
 
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apolloa

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There's some weird thing with the iPhone having bad battery life. It doesn't. In fact, the 6 Plus has industry leading battery life. Just because they make their phones thin, it doesn't mean that they're doing the wrong thing just because the battery life could have been better. Did you see Phil Schiller in the talk show podcast? He said that a thicker design results in better battery life, but it also has trade-offs, like being heavier, and taking longer to charge, and the thickness of the iPhones are a good compromise between the two, and I agree, not out of sycophancy, but genuinely. For example, having a phone which can last you a full day is good, and obviously OEMs want to get as close to that as possible. But anything beyond that is pointless. The iPhone 6 has a battery which can last you a full day in most use cases, and the 6 Plus obviously more so.
Oh and by the way, the back of the LG G3 is barely thicker than the back of the iPhone. The reason why the G3 has a bigger battery than it looks (when viewing it inside the phone) is because it's so thick.

Heavier and takes longer to charge, well why don't they adopt the fast charging Android has then? Sounds like an excuse for not having that feature.
I don't listen to Apple podcasts as they are salesman at the end of the day and will say anything to boost those sales.
As for weight, a few grams is nothing to note.
Also having a removable back has an awful lot to do with the thickness of a design, they have to put an extra layer in so it has a holder for the battery and memory card etc, they can't just glue the battery to the chassis iPhone style.

Some people would also say having a phone last more than 1 day was a necessity, it's just propaganda to believe what the manufacturers tell you is good. They want you to buy their devices!
 

Tsepz

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There's some weird thing with the iPhone having bad battery life. It doesn't. In fact, the 6 Plus has industry leading battery life. Just because they make their phones thin, it doesn't mean that they're doing the wrong thing just because the battery life could have been better. Did you see Phil Schiller in the talk show podcast? He said that a thicker design results in better battery life, but it also has trade-offs, like being heavier, and taking longer to charge, and the thickness of the iPhones are a good compromise between the two, and I agree, not out of sycophancy, but genuinely. For example, having a phone which can last you a full day is good, and obviously OEMs want to get as close to that as possible. But anything beyond that is pointless. The iPhone 6 has a battery which can last you a full day in most use cases, and the 6 Plus obviously more so.
Oh and by the way, the back of the LG G3 is barely thicker than the back of the iPhone. The reason why the G3 has a bigger battery than it looks (when viewing it inside the phone) is because it's so thick.
Eh!? Longer to charge? Ever heard of Fast Charging?

The Note 4 is thicker than both the Note 3 and iPhone 6 Plus, and has a bigger battery than both BUT it can charge from 0-100% in about 90mins, far faster than the iPhone, in actual fact just 30mins of charging the Note 4 will be at 50% from 0%.

This is what I thoroughly enjoy with my Note 4, it can do a full day of heavy use, by the time I head to bed at around 23:00 it still has around 25-35% charge left, depending on usage, and if for example I plan on heading out on a friday at around mid-night, I can plug it in for 30mins and it will be at around 90% by the time I unplug, more than enough for a night out.

An incredible balance of large capacity and fast charging. I can no longer imagine going to a phone with no fast charging and no fast charger out the box, especially with the power outages down here in South Africa.
 
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MRU

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especially with the power outages down here in South Africa.

Is that an issue specific for Jburg, or other regions too Capetown/Pretoria etc ? Must go back and visit my relatives, haven't been back in nearly a decade :( Was thinking of returning later this year.
 

nj-morris

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Eh!? Longer to charge? Ever heard of Fast Charging?

The Note 4 is thicker than both the Note 3 and iPhone 6 Plus, and has a bigger battery than both BUT it can charge from 0-100% in about 90mins, far faster than the iPhone, in actual fact just 30mins of charging the Note 4 will be at 50% from 0%.

This is what I thoroughly enjoy with my Note 4, it can do a full day of heavy use, by the time I head to bed at around 23:00 it still has around 25-35% charge left, depending on usage, and if for example I plan on heading out on a friday at around mid-night, I can plug it in for 30mins and it will be at around 90% by the time I unplug, more than enough for a night out.

An incredible balance of large capacity and fast charging. I can no longer imagine going to a phone with no fast charging and no fast charger out the box, especially with the power outages down here in South Africa.

That's a point.
What's behind fast charging anyway? To me it just seems like a higher power charging brick. If that's the case we can all just buy a 12W charging brick. Works for me.
 

jamezr

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That's a point.
What's behind fast charging anyway? To me it just seems like a higher power charging brick. If that's the case we can all just buy a 12W charging brick. Works for me.
Not quite the device and battery has to support fast charging. If the connections were the same......you couldn't just connect a MacBook pro charger to an iphone and expect it to charge faster.
 

BlueGoldAce

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That's a point.
What's behind fast charging anyway? To me it just seems like a higher power charging brick. If that's the case we can all just buy a 12W charging brick. Works for me.
There is a significant difference. Google it?
 

nj-morris

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Not quite the device and battery has to support fast charging. If the connections were the same......you couldn't just connect a MacBook pro charger to an iphone and expect it to charge faster.

If the connections were the same......then yes, in theory it would charge faster. I currently use a 12W charger to charge all of my devices, and it charges my phone and iPod touch extremely quickly. That's what fast charging sounds like to me. Are you saying that the battery needs to be designed to take the power of high power charging bricks?
 

jamezr

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If the connections were the same......then yes, in theory it would charge faster. I currently use a 12W charger to charge all of my devices, and it charges my phone and iPod touch extremely quickly. That's what fast charging sounds like to me. Are you saying that the battery needs to be designed to take the power of high power charging bricks?
You might use it to charge you devices. But that doesn't mean they charge any faster. The device is designed and regulated to only take in so much power. Otherwise it would overheat the smaller less powerful devices.


http://www.apple.com/shop/question/...aster-than-a-normal-charger/QK4PJ4JHJJDP4JPCU

I was told not to use a higher watt charger on my MBA. Here's the chat transcript:

Chadwick L: Hello, how are you today?
You: Hi. Fine thanks. Can I use a 60w charger (MacBook) with my new MacBook Air. the Air came with a 45w charger.
Chadwick L: You can, but it's not recommended because the 60W may overload the battery.
You: i figured the MBA would just draw what it needs.
Chadwick L: You would think, however it's actually the charger that decides how big of a charge the battery gets. The battery has not way of controlling how much it takes. [\quote]
http://www.apple.com/ca/shop/questi...l-not-harm-the-mac-book-air/Q4JAC4CXX9JJ7UDH9
 
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BlueGoldAce

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If the connections were the same......then yes, in theory it would charge faster. I currently use a 12W charger to charge all of my devices, and it charges my phone and iPod touch extremely quickly. That's what fast charging sounds like to me. Are you saying that the battery needs to be designed to take the power of high power charging bricks?
It's simpler to google qualcomm fast charging, etc. Essentially it requires hardware upgrades or swim thing along those lines. It is significantly faster than the iPhone on an iPad charger. Etc
 
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GadgetSN

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I really never understood people getting a full days use out of their phones. I have the Note 4 and iphone 6 and get half a days use.

1.5 hours surfing on the train to work.
2 hours surfing during the morning/lunch (battery will be dead at this point)
1.5 hours surfing on train going home.

If I play games or watch vids then I will definitely have a dead battery by midday.

Surely the above is average for a days use for most people?

Do you guys who claim an easy full days use just make a phone call or two everyday? Battery life is a massive problem with current smartphones. Its become second nature for most people to chargetheir phone as soon as they have access to a mains.
 

tbayrgs

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You might use it to charge you devices. But that doesn't mean they charge any faster. The device is designed and regulated to only take in so much power. Otherwise it would overheat the smaller less powerful devices.


http://www.apple.com/shop/question/...aster-than-a-normal-charger/QK4PJ4JHJJDP4JPCU

This is outdated. It's been shown that both the 6 and 6+ both will charge faster using the 12W iPad charger.

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus Capable of Faster Charging Using iPad 2.1A Adapter

While I don't think it's quite as fast as fast charging found on Android devices, it is nearly so. My 6+ will charge fully from depletion in less than 2 hours.
 

BlueGoldAce

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This is outdated. It's been shown that both the 6 and 6+ both will charge faster using the 12W iPad charger.

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus Capable of Faster Charging Using iPad 2.1A Adapter

While I don't think it's quite as fast as fast charging found on Android devices, it is nearly so. My 6+ will charge fully from depletion in less than 2 hours.
Did you google and read about it, as I mentioned?

Yes it is impressive that the note 4 can charge to 100% in 70-90 minutes (forget which one).

What is more impressive is how fast it charges initially. It can charge from 0 to 50 in 30 minutes, 0-30 in 15. It actually get slower the more charge the phone is. This tech is improving, as the new moto phones are suppose to charge even faster.

I am sure Apple will implement something similar someday. But the difference is almost shocking, or at least it was for me when I moved from my Galaxy s6 edge back to the 6+.
 

spinedoc77

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Ah so your a follower of Apples ridiculous obsession with making something as thin as a human hair and thus has very poor battery life. Gotcha. BTW the G3 has a removable back so will be thicker anyway. And no, the justification is to do with the home button as I said. And MANY people would refer a back that makes the camera flush and have a bigger battery.

Stop it... The iPhone 6 plus has a very good battery, it's definitely not poor at all. I definitely prefer thin any day of the week. Convenience is important as well IMO and with Samsung having the 30 minute charge to 50% power and the ability to use the phone for days on a single charge with power saving and ultra power saving mode I don't think it's an issue anymore. If consumers lament the death of the removable battery then for gods sake just get a battery pack and carry that around with you.
 

MRU

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GSM Arena specs updated 59 mins ago ahead of launch .. Still unofficial till Thursday but I think we are getting pretty much there now.

NETWORK Technology GSM / HSPA / LTE
LAUNCH Announced Exp. announcement 2015, August
Status Rumored. Exp. release 2015, September
BODY Dimensions -
Weight -
SIM Yes
- Fingerprint sensor (PayPal certified)
- S Pen stylus
DISPLAY Type Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 5.66 inches
Resolution 1440 x 2560 pixels (~519 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 4
PLATFORM OS Android OS, v5.1.1 (Lollipop)
Chipset Exynos 7420
CPU Octa-core
MEMORY Card slot No
Internal 32/64/128 GB, 4 GB RAM
CAMERA Primary 16 MP, 5312 x 2988 pixels, optical image stabilization, autofocus, LED flash
Features Dual Shot, Simultaneous HD video and image recording, geo-tagging, touch focus, face/smile detection, panorama, HDR
Video 2160p@30fps, 1080p@60fps, optical stabilization, dual-video rec.
Secondary 5 MP
SOUND Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
COMMS WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, hotspot
Bluetooth v4.1, A2DP, EDR, LE
GPS Yes, with A-GPS, GLONASS, Beidou
NFC Yes
Infrared port Yes
Radio To be confirmed
USB microUSB v2.0 (MHL 3 TV-out), USB Host
FEATURES Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, gesture, UV, heart rate, SpO2
Messaging SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Mail, IM
Browser HTML5
Java No
- Fast battery charging: 60% in 30 min (Quick Charge 2.0)
- ANT+ support
- S-Voice natural language commands and dictation
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
- MP4/DivX/XviD/WMV/H.264 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+/AC3/FLAC player
- Photo/video editor
- Document editor
BATTERY Non-removable Li-Po 3000 mAh battery
Stand-by
Talk time
MISC Colors Various
 
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