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The Game 161

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Fernandez21

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I have been using nova but due to bad battery life I decided to switch back to touchwiz with a few less widgets and it's a lot better.

I wasn't even getting more than 16 hours total before and now I'm back over 1 day with almost 4 hours screen time when I was on 3 hours screen time before

Do you have tesla notifications installed too? I've noticed since lollipop that the notification badges really hinder performance, at first I thought it Nova, but once I uninstalled tesla all was fine again.

My Note 4 with lollipop is faster and has better battery life than my Nexus 6. It also offers a better user experience and better camera. The Nexus 6 uses less ram than the Note 4 but that does not translate to a better user experience. Then TW offers more options than vanilla android does. Simple little things like a battery meter that displays text so you can see how much battery life is left. I don't understand how such a useful thing could be left out.
The S6 is easily the fastest most responsive phone I have ever used. TW is toned down a little more on the S6 but it could still use a little more trimming. But then it offers so many more features than vanilla android has.
For me personally I use Nova on all my Android phones. So it doesn't matter anyways.
I can't wait to see what the Note 5 has to offer!!

That's been my expierence too, I love the lollipop update. While there are still some design cues I hate, this version of touchwiz I actually like for the most part. I still think stock, moto, and sense are still better overall, I'd put this fourth of all the skins I've used.
 

The Game 161

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Do you have tesla notifications installed too? I've noticed since lollipop that the notification badges really hinder performance, at first I thought it Nova, but once I uninstalled tesla all was fine again.



That's been my expierence too, I love the lollipop update. While there are still some design cues I hate, this version of touchwiz I actually like for the most part. I still think stock, moto, and sense are still better overall, I'd put this fourth of all the skins I've used.
Yeah I do..cheers will look into it
 

The Game 161

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Uninstalling nova and downloading seems to of fixed the home screen message

Thanks all
 

spinedoc77

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What a nightmare! How many Note 4s did you end up replacing? Did they all have the same issues?

6 total and my latest one still has a GPS that drops out constantly. In relation to the lag I think I had a full hard drive. I got all in one toolbox and cleared out some cache and other files, and also it has a boost function that closes background apps. It's amazing just how many apps are in the background, but are NOT shown on the app manager. Runs much better now.
 

Ent

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It's a bit too easy to blame Google. The Note 4 lollipop update made my note 4 noticeably less efficient; even my Galaxy Alpha which ran at around 800mb system on KitKat jumped upto 1.3-1.4gb system on Lollipop, resulting in app refreshes and lag that were simply never there on KitKat.

Whilst it would be easy to blame Lollipop, the reality is other manufacturers have managed to embrace lollipop without such issues.

LG, HTC, Sony, Motorola devices haven't had such noticeable issues since pushing out lollipop as much as Samsung, likewise they haven't seen such massive system ram usage increase either. Now of course I'm not saying they haven't had some bugs / but nothing quite as impactful as on Samsung devices.

Samsung devices across the board are suffering noticeable poorer battery and standby ram increase across all of their devices I have had and used with it. (Note 4, Alpha, S6 Edge owned and S5, A5 used since lollipop). So there is definitely something not right with their touchwiz build on lollipop across the board.

Even the S6 with 'less bloat' uses more system ram standing still than other Samsung devices - especially under Kit Kat.

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My Note 5 dream / hopes therefore are less about hardware and more about software.

I wish Samsung would truly go back to the scratch and rebuild Touchwiz from the ground up. HTC / SONY devices have just as many features / bells and whistles and don't use anything like as much resources standing still. That speaks volumes.

I can only drool at how amazing performance on the S6 / S6 Edge would have been had they really had an optimised OS. The octo-core exynos & DDR 4 with a device with stock android level of ram usage (and you don't have to sacrifice features to get this as the M8 & M9 prove) would make an amazing combination.



Very well written. I think the problem stems with how many hardware models Samsung has on the market. I really don't think they can keep up with the software bugs and revisions. There's also different teams working on different versions so there's no cohesion in any of their models.
 
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jamezr

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Very well written. I think the problem stems with how many hardware models Samsung has on the market. I really don't think they can keep up with the software bugs and revisions. There's also different teams working on different versions so there's no cohesion in any of their models.
I don't think they have a problem manufacturing or supporting the models they produce. I don't think their products have any more software bugs than any other OEM. I will bet they have teams that work on multiple phone models. I will bet the teams are then managed to keep overall consistency.
Don't forget Samsung makes a ton of products not just phones.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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So the rumor is the Note 5 will have the Exynos 7422 which is basically the CPU/GPU/RAM/Modem/Storage all in one chip. That's interesting.

Does this mean a much bigger battery than the 4? Ultra thin body? Storage starting at 64gb?

Chip geeks ... what's the pros and cons of having all in one chip?
 

lympero

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I don't think they have a problem manufacturing or supporting the models they produce. I don't think their products have any more software bugs than any other OEM. I will bet they have teams that work on multiple phone models. I will bet the teams are then managed to keep overall consistency.
Don't forget Samsung makes a ton of products not just phones.
Keep overall consistency? Check live Samsung updates for a sec and you will see different firmware versions not only for different phones but also for the same phone for different countries!
 

jamezr

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Keep overall consistency? Check live Samsung updates for a sec and you will see different firmware versions not only for different phones but also for the same phone for different countries!
I don't see the problem. Different firmware for different countries and carriers for the same phone. Here in the US the sane phone could have 3 or 4 different firmwares one for each carrier.
 

MRU

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Enjoy this article "Samsung’s software update policy is seriously messed up".

http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/16/samsungs-software-update-policy-is-seriously-messed-up/
I've actually been saying this a while and it's nice Sammobile have come out and said it... But it actually is worse than they say because they forget to mention that when Samsung finally do roll out an overdue update on a less that year old device they do not do so all at once. You still play potluck (even sim free / unlocked / unbranded) devices because each device is coded per territory and they only rollout one territory / CSC coded at a time. It means you can be sat with an expensive unbranded carrier free device knowing there is supposed to be a new update for weeks and in many cases months before they push the button and roll it out for your device/territory. That's where it really grinds my gears. You can't blame carriers in these situations - it's all Samsung. Heck I've seen at times carriers like Vodafone push out the update long before Samsung push it out to my unbranded unlocked device. It is just universally frustrating and you can witness the frustration on forums like XDA. Sadly - I just don't see them fixing this at this stage.
 

spinedoc77

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I've actually been saying this a while and it's nice Sammobile have come out and said it... But it actually is worse than they say because they forget to mention that when Samsung finally do roll out an overdue update on a less that year old device they do not do so all at once. You still play potluck (even sim free / unlocked / unbranded) devices because each device is coded per territory and they only rollout one territory / CSC coded at a time. It means you can be sat with an expensive unbranded carrier free device knowing there is supposed to be a new update for weeks and in many cases months before they push the button and roll it out for your device/territory. That's where it really grinds my gears. You can't blame carriers in these situations - it's all Samsung. Heck I've seen at times carriers like Vodafone push out the update long before Samsung push it out to my unbranded unlocked device. It is just universally frustrating and you can witness the frustration on forums like XDA. Sadly - I just don't see them fixing this at this stage.

Even releasing updates so freaking late Samsung still messes it up. Lollipop on the Note 4 is an atrocity, who knows how long until we receive an update/patch for it. The Note 5 being released with Lollipop is a joke as well.
 

cube

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Can you imagine the online rage if the Note line has less battery life and no SD slot and battery???
I will not buy it unless it has a microSDXC slot and a removable battery. Hopefully BlackBerry will have a proper flagship by the time I'm looking again, which is what I really want. Otherwise I will get something else, even a used Note 4. I already bought an S4, S5, and Note 3 used.
 

The Game 161

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Think it's highly unlikely it doesn't have SD card slot. Battery will be bigger as the device will be 5.9 inches
 

spinedoc77

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Worth a try

Where do you go to clear cache?

Cleaning my cache helped a lot. It still lags at times though, quite frequently but only slows to a crawl occasionally. Interestingly I installed Clean Master and it shows which apps eat up memory, battery, CPU, etc. For example I've found the Kindle app, even though completely turned off, runs in the background and causes issues such as frequent restarting and heating/eating battery when the phone is off. I've greenified it, but unfortunately have to manually greenify it every time as it's not automatic. It's little things like this that make me frustrated with Android, it's amazing how many apps are actually running even though the task manager doesn't show them and they refuse to shut down.
 

spinedoc77

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Extremely sketchy source, but supposedly the speaker may move to the bottom and no USB-c. Honestly I can't fathom why every single flagship phone doesn't have front facing stereo speakers like HTC's. These are meant to be media devices just as much as communication devices, I'm so sick of tinny speakers which fire away from my ears. No USB c sucks also as I despise the mini USB connector. Anyhoo it's only a very sketchy mockup with zero proof behind it.

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/06/galaxy-note-5-case-renders-rumors/
 

AppleRobert

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The battery better be big with the rumored display resolution.

Not sure on my next move, the iPhone 6s Plus rumor is that it will be the same size as the current Plus. That leaves me out of the running for it so the Note 5 is the current one on my list wish.
 
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