Phones Galaxy Note 7

[Ludatyk]

Hopefully this will prompt those users who are ignoring the voluntary recall to return their handsets. At least they are promising replacement units by 21st September in the USA.

They should have made this official sooner, but it's better now than any later. This is a good move from a consumer safety point of view.

Not entirely sure this means anything.

Reason being, it's been stated by Samsung and carriers to immediately return their device and get it exchanged for another device.

If anything, what I'm really curious about what's the plan going forward. Will Samsung be able to resume selling it to new customers? And how long will it be?

 

[spinedoc77]

All these cries of being irresponsible yet ignoring their own irresponsibility. Can some do the math again and tell us the chances of their phone blowing up. I'd be curious to see this versus other irresponsible things we do in our daily lives.

 

[spinedoc77]

Wait a second, let's make sure those calling some of us irresponsible understand how they sound.

Chances of dying from:
Motor vehicle crash 1/113
Unintentional drowning or submersion 1/1,183
Choking from food 1/3,408
Bicycle 1/4,337
Sharp objects 1/30,600
Hornets, wasps, bees 1/64,706
Dog bite 1/114,642
Lightning strike 1/174,426

Official recall 1 million phones in the US versus 70 reports. 70/1 million

So for those of you who drive a car, go near a body of water, EAT FOOD, ride a bicycle, go near sharp objects, go outside where there are hornets, wasps or bees, go near dogs, or go out when lightning is around STOP BEING IRRESPONSIBLE!!

So for gods sake stop exaggerating and making the situation much worse than it really is. There is a global recall, what else should they do? Personally knock on your door with a shiny new phone and a set of encyclopedias?

 

[Fernandez21]

We don't know the odds of our phone catching on fire, all we know is how many have already caught fire. For all we know every defective has already caught fire so our odds are now zero, or it could be that given enough time 100% will catch fire. We don't know and those numbers have never been disclosed. That's why mine is tucked away in its box for now, we have no idea how wide spread it truly is.

 

[MRU]

Official recall 1 million phones in the US versus 70 reports. 70/1 million

According to the CSPC it's 92 reports ...
26 personal injuries and 55 personal damage.

Whilst that still only 0.001% percentage wise it's a number which has risen increasingly hence the now official recall status.

 

[spinedoc77]

According to the CSPC it's 92 reports ...

BAM!!!!!!!!!!!! Good work. Now it's 92/1 million. On a more serious note, I've decided to be responsible and stop eating. That 1/3,408 chance of dying from choking really scares me. I'm not sure if dying from starvation will be better, but at least I'm being responsible.

 

[Fernandez21]

BAM!!!!!!!!!!!! Good work. Now it's 92/1 million

But those aren't the odds, that's not how that works. In fact, with every case reported of another note catching fire, our odds actually decrease, unless it's so wide spread that every phone will catch fire.

 

[spinedoc77]

But those aren't the odds, that's not how that works. In fact, with every case reported of another note catching fire, our odds actually decrease, unless it's so wide spread that every phone will catch fire.

You're probably right, I was always bad at statistics. Can someone crunch the numbers of what the odds are so far at 92 reports in 1 million. I understand we can't see the future to know what the odds may be in a month, I'm just curious what the odds stand at in this particular moment in time.

 

[Fernandez21]

You're probably right, I was always bad at statistics. Can someone crunch the numbers of what the odds are so far at 92 reports in 1 million. I understand we can't see the future to know what the odds may be in a month, I'm just curious what the odds stand at in this particular moment in time.

92/million are your odds of having a phone that has already caught fire, which is tiny. What we don't know is the odds of your phone catching fire in the future, that's the unknown. If there were only 92 faulty units, then the odds are now zero if you phone hasn't already caught fire, then it won't since those 92 already did. But if it was 100 faulty units, then your odds are 8/999,908. But if there are 500 faulty units, then the odds are 408/999,908. Or there could be 1,000 faulty unit. That the problem of trying to find the odds, we don't know how many of the million sold are faulty.

 

[MRU]

You're probably right, I was always bad at statistics. Can someone crunch the numbers of what the odds are so far at 92 reports in 1 million. I understand we can't see the future to know what the odds may be in a month, I'm just curious what the odds stand at in this particular moment in time.

There are too many factors to work out the odds as more reports happen the odds increase. The odds of it happening are different to the number of reported incidents. So whilst there has been 92/1 million USA reports or 0.001% it doesn't mean the odds are the same. As odds calculations would take into account the duration of a device being on sale, the increase in reports and then factor in the prediction of those increase in failures along the current trajectory going forward and then crunch those figures and come out with a 'percentage chance' based on all those factors.

Odds wise would be higher than 92 in a million, but to what extent I do not know.

 

[MRU]

92/million are your odds of having a phone that has already caught fire, which is tiny. What we don't know is the odds of your phone catching fire in the future, that's the unknown. If there were only 92 faulty units, then the odds are now zero if you phone hasn't already caught fire, then it won't since those 92 already did. But if it was 100 faulty units, then your odds are 8/999,908. But if there are 500 faulty units, then the odds are 408/999,908. Or there could be 1,000 faulty unit. That the problem of trying to find the odds, we don't know how many of the million sold are faulty.

You explained it better than me

 

[spinedoc77]

92/million are your odds of having a phone that has already caught fire, which is tiny. What we don't know is the odds of your phone catching fire in the future, that's the unknown. If there were only 92 faulty units, then the odds are now zero if you phone hasn't already caught fire, then it won't since those 92 already did. But if it was 100 faulty units, then your odds are 8/999,908. But if there are 500 faulty units, then the odds are 408/999,908. Or there could be 1,000 faulty unit. That the problem of trying to find the odds, we don't know how many of the million sold are faulty.

There are too many factors to work out the odds as more reports happen the odds increase. The odds of it happening are different to the number of reported incidents. So whilst there has been 92/1 million USA reports or 0.001% it doesn't mean the odds are the same. As odds calculations would take into account the duration of a device being on sale, the increase in reports and then factor in the prediction of that increase in failures increasing on the same trajectory and then crunch and come out with a 'percentage chance' based on all those factors.

I'd be curious, as well, to see the percentages of phones which actually exploded, and/or the ones which actually caused damage or had the potential to cause damage.

 

[MRU]

I'd be curious, as well, to see the percentages of phones which actually exploded, and/or the ones which actually caused damage or had the potential to cause damage.

We will never know a true percentage only that clearly there is sufficient 'potential' to warrant the full recall.

However Samsung reportedly said 1% had a faulty battery - which is 10,000 devices with potentially faulty battery, so with 92 cases currently reported that increases from 0.001% of all the Note 7's to 1% of that 1% Samsung said of those sold could have a faulty battery.

So therefore you have a 1/100 chance of having a faulty battery Note 7 and currently there is a 1/100 reported failures (assuming that 1% Samsung said is accurate) of those 1% which are potentially faulty, so you currently have 1/10,000 chance I believe.

(There's a 50% chance I have that arseways)

This is worse than working out time paradoxes.

 

[spinedoc77]

We will never know a true percentage only that clearly there is sufficient 'potential' to warrant the full recall.

However Samsung reportedly said 1% had a faulty battery - which is 10,000 devices with potentially faulty battery, so with 92 cases currently reported that increases from 0.001% of all the Note 7's to 1% of the 1% Samsung said could have a faulty battery.

So you have a 1/100 chance of having a faulty battery Note 7 and currently there is a 1/100 reported failures (assuming that 1% Samsung said is accurate) of those 1% hsve fried, then you currently have 1/10,000 chance I believe.

(There's a 50% chance I have that arseways)

This is worse than working out time paradoxes.

Nice number crunching! Definitely higher than I thought, but still lower than choking on food and dying, lol. I'm just being a bit sarcastic though, but I have no issues still using my Note 7 until I can get my iPhone tomorrow. Of course my daughter isn't allowed to go near it.

 

[macfacts]

...

So this is stupid of people for two reasons:

1) The OEM has stated the device is dangerous.
2) If you really care about the phone and the brand's success, you'll exchange immediately. ...

Android users can switch to another Android maker. Why should Note owners care about Samsung's success? Here is a story describing just that.
http://www.androidauthority.com/apple-brand-loyalty-716631/

 

[Ludatyk]

Nice number crunching! Definitely higher than I thought, but still lower than choking on food and dying, lol. I'm just being a bit sarcastic though, but I have no issues still using my Note 7 until I can get my iPhone tomorrow. Of course my daughter isn't allowed to go near it.

Your giving up the Note7 for the iPhone?

 

[spinedoc77]

Your giving up the Note7 for the iPhone?

Yeah, I've had a lot of issues with it, and the Note series over the years. It's not only the phone, but some issues with Android and US carriers as well. Kind of like a perfect storm of negative things. Not everything is perfect, and I may very well be back to a Note 7 once this whole debacle is sorted out.

 

[KillaMac]

Well, I've been so-called irresponsible up to this point. I will however, back up and power down my Note 7 tonight, and use one of my other phones in the meantime.

I'm hoping I can at least get a confirmed date for a replacement by the 18th, or on the 18th I will just go to my T-mobile store and hope they have an iPhone 7 Plus 256gb, in any color but rose. My schedule is pretty tight, but if I quickly stop in tomorrow and they have the iPhone I want, I'll get it.

I really wish the LG V20 was already released, cause I would grab one of those instead of the iPhone. But my time is too limited to wait, and I'm also impatient.

The Note 7 is still the best smartphone of the 2016 IMO. A damn shame faulty batteries messed it up.

The Note 7 was the best till iPhone 7 plus hit the shelves. I personally would just take your phone back and wait it out. Samsung said today they will have replacements available Sept. 21st.
[doublepost=1473980194][/doublepost]There now has been two cases of the S7 blowing up. And now talks about that phone needing a recall. Ugh if that happens.

 

[Ludatyk]

Yeah, I've had a lot of issues with it, and the Note series over the years. It's not only the phone, but some issues with Android and US carriers as well. Kind of like a perfect storm of negative things. Not everything is perfect, and I may very well be back to a Note 7 once this whole debacle is sorted out.

I understand. Hope to have you back soon!

I have a 6s, wouldn't mind upgrading to the 7 Plus... but going to wait for the Anniversary iPhone. But for now... I plan on keeping the 6s & Note7.

I have to give some praise to  for opening up iMessage.. really digging it. And the Note7 has too many features for me to pass up & the design/screen is top notch. I have a good balance of Android & iOS.

Are you going with the Jet Black or Black? And I presume your going with the 7 Plus?

 

[Ludatyk]

The Note 7 was the best till iPhone 7 plus hit the shelves.

Well, that's your opinion.

I don't believe any of the two is better than the other. It's all about preference. Some people prefer the 7 Plus while some will go with the Note7.

I think debating about Android and iOS devices is mute. Now, is the 6s Plus better than the 7 Plus? Is the Note 5 better than the Note7? IMO, those are better discussions.

 

[that be me]

I'd imagine if replacements will be available soon, it'll be back on shelves sometime after that. Any estimates?

 

[KillaMac]

Well, that's your opinion.

I don't believe any of the two is better than the other. It's all about preference. Some people prefer the 7 Plus while some will go with the Note7.

I think debating about Android and iOS devices is mute. Now, is the 6s Plus better than the 7 Plus? Is the Note 5 better than the Note7? IMO, those are better discussions.

No, it's a fact. Specs, and all the reviews are saying it.

 

[MRU]

I'd imagine if replacements will be available soon, it'll be back on shelves sometime after that. Any estimates?

There has been reports from carriers that it should be back on sale October.

 

[MRU]

No, it's a fact. Specs, and all the reviews are saying it.

Specs mean little when comparing cross platform and reviews are fundementally merely the subjective opinion of someone.

They are neither definitively right or implictly wrong. They are just opinion.

 

[spinedoc77]

I understand. Hope to have you back soon!

I have a 6s, wouldn't mind upgrading to the 7 Plus... but going to wait for the Anniversary iPhone. But for now... I plan on keeping the 6s & Note7.

I have to give some praise to  for opening up iMessage.. really digging it. And the Note7 has too many features for me to pass up & the design/screen is top notch. I have a good balance of Android & iOS.

Are you going with the Jet Black or Black? And I presume your going with the 7 Plus?

Going for a matte black plus. I'm not overly excited as I prefer Android overall, but Apple is doing some exciting things which have swayed me. They opened up their OS to VOIP services and I'm hoping Google stops slacking and lets Google Voice take advantage of that. I like that widgets are now on iOS, if in a more primitive and less functional form than on Android, but at least it's a start.

Overall I still feel the Note 7 is a MUCH better phone, but with many more flaws. The iPhone just seems like a more sure bet for my day to day needs. I'll definitely be looking on swappa though for a nice cheap Note 7 after this debacle is over.