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This post is the equivalent of trying so hard to hit the ball that you use only force, swing too carelessly, lose your grip of the bat and watch it swivel through the air right into your girlfriend's face.

Read my post again. I didn't say the iPhone is dated. I only reported that The Verge are saying its looks are dated.

And "other than the screen" isn't quite relevant is it when it's precisely the design of the screen that is the innovative element. Of course combined with how it matches the shape of the back to create a symmetrical device, the thin frame this makes possible, etc. A design element which is so significant that it has The Verge bringing it up and showcasing it in their iPhone 7 review. Sorry but I don't think you'll get far saying that the Note 7 isn't a major step forward from the 5 in terms of design.
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Sure that logic stands being argued for, but I think the real world effect is the opposite. Precisely mentioning it casually - as if it isn't a big deal - is the best help Samsung could ask for. By now most people will have heard about it anyway, at any rate most people who would watch a Verge video, so the news isn't being spread to any fresh ears. What you get here instead is an emphasis of the Note 7 design, being displayed as a superior aesthetic achievement right next to the brand new iPhone 7, while the battery failures basically get dismissed as less important. A full win for Samsung IMO.

Umm the note 5 and 7 look alike and design isn't much different other than edge screen. Try to say otherwise but honestly it was less of a design change than the iPhone 7 this year.
 
Umm the note 5 and 7 look alike and design isn't much different other than edge screen. Try to say otherwise but honestly it was less of a design change than the iPhone 7 this year.
I'd say much of a muchness really.
Put both in cases and the only way you'd know with the note, is the screen and width.
With the iPhone, the headphone jack is the only thing different in a case, even the home button looks the same. Without a case the iPhone has different antennae bands.
Both aren't that noticeable at a glance, neither are that different.

They both look great in black!
 
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I'd say much of a muchness really.
Put both in cases and the only way you'd know with the note, is the screen and width.
With the iPhone, the headphone jack is the only thing different in a case, even the home button looks the same. Without a case the iPhone has different antennae bands.
Both aren't that noticeable at a glance, neither are that different.

They both look great in black!

Was going to say same thing. To say any is a bigger design change over its forbears is stretching. Much of a muchness indeed.


I rang Vodafone for another update today as my order is still showing in my account upgrade orders page (I never cancelled it) but they are still in limbo essentially until at least October when they will know if they will carry it in store / retail or not... I am not sure I should let the order be on the system with potential of €829 being charged to my account without clear indication of when that will be ....
 
They increased storage so they saved cost there I reckon.Too bad the camera lens isnt sapphire.The protrusion is practically begging to be scratched



Uh the 6s did not scratch on the same test
I'm not sure it's definite the lens is not a grade of sapphire glass. I have watches with sapphire crystal faces and they still scratch and I've never dragged a Stanley knife across them.

It could of course be an inferior coating to that used on the 6S.
 

Wow that review surprised me on that blog. That's a good thing as it will enlighten Apple users and spur Apple to great competition. Competition is great and it's what drives these guys to make better and better phones.
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iPhone 7 Touch ID and camera are no longer sapphire contrary to what it says in the specs. Forward to 1:22 and 2:15.


Really? Bleh what a disappointment. The camera lens on my Note 7 cracked and I have been VERY careful with it, never dropped or abused. It's not a scratch, it's a crack that I can feel with my finger. I was hoping to upgrade with the 7 plus.
 
They increased storage so they saved cost there I reckon.Too bad the camera lens isnt sapphire.The protrusion is practically begging to be scratched



Uh the 6s did not scratch on the same test
So you can draw a conclusion from a youtube video? Got it. I believe apple here. If they say it's sapphire it's sapphire.
 
So you can draw a conclusion from a youtube video? Got it. I believe apple here. If they say it's sapphire it's sapphire.
Apple will say anything for marketing .I will trust my eyes over what a multi billion dollar profit maximising organisation who is after my wallet says.Thanks
 
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I'm not sure it's definite the lens is not a grade of sapphire glass. I have watches with sapphire crystal faces and they still scratch and I've never dragged a Stanley knife across them.

It could of course be an inferior coating to that used on the 6S.

My 15 year old watch with sapphire face doesn't have the slightest hint of a scratch, and I've abused the living heck out of it. If it wasn't sapphire it would have a bazillion scratches easily.
 
I will trust apple over a youtube video any day. Like you trust the company that analyzes displays against other internet posts.


Those Internet Posts in question are opinions whereas this is a video which showed me an iPhone lens being scratched right aout of the box.Videos are not opinions but demonstrations of facts.That very same tool didnt do a thing to the camera lens of the 6S but the 7 got scratched.This is a fact which was shown to us in the video.There is no room for manipulation here because he used a 6 MOH tool which easily scratched the lens while if it was real sapphire it wouldnt scratch as it needs a 9 MOH Tool.No doubt Apple will come up with some explanation like "Sapphire like coating" to explain this but as it stands the 6S has the better quality sapphire home button and lens while the 7 doesnt.Apple has been known to do secretive things before.The TSMC A9 lasts no matter what anyone says slightly more than the Samsung A9.So it wouldnt surprise me if this coating is slightly inferior to the 6S

They are after profit margins.They increased the storage and skimped here to make up for it
 
I will trust apple over a youtube video any day. Like you trust the company that analyzes displays against other internet posts.

I will trust that Apple is smart enough to know every single move they make is heavily scrutinized. If they said their screws were silver, but someone found they were dark grey there would instantly be a huge media blitz and a class action lawsuit. I really find it hard to believe they would straight out lie.

What's more likely, as many have said, is that the coating is what's being scratched.
 
So what does it matter the material Apple says the lens and home button are? They still scratched, Apple could say it was a diamond type compound, but if it scratches who cares?

Also, disappointed that it also appears they have gotten rid of the nano coating protecting the circuitry too. Not sure why they did that when it's on the 6S.
 
So what does it matter the material Apple says the lens and home button are? They still scratched, Apple could say it was a diamond type compound, but if it scratches who cares?

Also, disappointed that it also appears they have gotten rid of the nano coating protecting the circuitry too. Not sure why they did that when it's on the 6S.

Yeah I'm curious as to the cause. If the 6 lens didn't scratch then is it possible it didn't have any coating on it? I have a feeling it won't be enough of an issue for Apple to even comment on so we may never find out. I'm bummed as well as I thought I was upgrading from the Note 7 camera lens.
 
I will trust that Apple is smart enough to know every single move they make is heavily scrutinized. If they said their screws were silver, but someone found they were dark grey there would instantly be a huge media blitz and a class action lawsuit. I really find it hard to believe they would straight out lie.

What's more likely, as many have said, is that the coating is what's being scratched.
I don't think it matters to anybody viewing these destruco videos as some seem pretty pedantic about things.
So what does it matter the material Apple says the lens and home button are? They still scratched, Apple could say it was a diamond type compound, but if it scratches who cares?

Also, disappointed that it also appears they have gotten rid of the nano coating protecting the circuitry too. Not sure why they did that when it's on the 6S.
I don't know if I care about the nano-coating, there may have been a reason, or they have something else there. On the other side you try hard enough the phones can be damaged, these youtube videos are for entertainment only.
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Those Internet Posts in question are opinions whereas this is a video which showed me an iPhone lens being scratched right aout of the box.Videos are not opinions but demonstrations of facts.That very same tool didnt do a thing to the camera lens of the 6S but the 7 got scratched.This is a fact which was shown to us in the video.There is no room for manipulation here because he used a 6 MOH tool which easily scratched the lens while if it was real sapphire it wouldnt scratch as it needs a 9 MOH Tool.No doubt Apple will come up with some explanation like "Sapphire like coating" to explain this but as it stands the 6S has the better quality sapphire home button and lens while the 7 doesnt.Apple has been known to do secretive things before.The TSMC A9 lasts no matter what anyone says slightly more than the Samsung A9.So it wouldnt surprise me if this coating is slightly inferior to the 6S

They are after profit margins.They increased the storage and skimped here to make up for it
You can't say for scientific certainty the test was exactly the same. Until you can "prove" that and even if one could the test doesn't reflect real world usage and is quite irrelevant in the scheme of things like all of these videos. None of these "tests" do. I'll still trust apple over these video tests. And BTW profit was exactly was Samsung was after with it's batteries and look what happened to them. Corporate greed came back to bite them. Pot kettle thing right?

This is why I suggest there may be a wee amount of moving goal posts, deflections and hyperbole floating around here.
 
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I don't think it matters to anybody viewing these destruco videos as some seem pretty pedantic about things.

I don't know if I care about the nano-coating, there may have been a reason, or they have something else there. On the other side you try hard enough the phones can be damaged, these youtube videos are for entertainment only.
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You can't say for scientific certainty the test was exactly the same. Until you can "prove" that and even if one could the test doesn't reflect real world usage and is quite irrelevant in the scheme of things like all of these videos. None of these "tests" do. I'll still trust apple over these video tests.
Look the only thing this changes for me is that I will have to buy a case for the iPhone 7 mandatorily rather than out of choice.So its not a game changing factor for me.But no one should deny that since both home button and the lens scratched its inferior to the 6S which did not scratch which if the youtuber was biased wouldnt happen.In addition we have Apple giving a disclaimer on the jet black scratching with just minor use which is very unApple like which lends more imprtance overall to this scratching issue.Clutching at straws like the marketing materials isnt going to change the facts
 
I don't know if I care about the nano-coating, there may have been a reason, or they have something else there. On the other side you try hard enough the phones can be damaged, these youtube videos are for entertainment only.
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I dont know about you but my heart melts every time I see any phone subjected to torture tests.Entertainment?lol
[doublepost=1474039974][/doublepost]Also i7 guy lets continue discussion here rather than derailing this thread further

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-bend-scratch-and-burn-test.1996586/
 
Look the only thing this changes for me is that I will have to buy a case for the iPhone 7 mandatorily rather than out of choice.So its not a game changing factor for me.But no one should deny that since both home button and the lens scratched its inferior to the 6S which did not scratch which if the youtuber was biased wouldnt happen.In addition we have Apple giving a disclaimer on the jet black scratching with just minor use which is very unApple like which lends more imprtance overall to this scratching issue.Clutching at straws like the marketing materials isnt going to change the facts
There are no facts. Anybody can submerge, scratch, bend, etc these phones and inflict damage. If you choose to "believe" these youtubers as the equivalent of scientific test; you go for it.
 
My 15 year old watch with sapphire face doesn't have the slightest hint of a scratch, and I've abused the living heck out of it. If it wasn't sapphire it would have a bazillion scratches easily.
My Submariner has a sapphire crystal and does have a scratch yet I've looked after it. I'm not sure what else to say? Perhaps it's a crap sapphire like on the iPhone?
 
So tantrums were thrown because folks were discussing the Note 7 recall in a Note 7 thread. Yet somehow iPhone scratch test which regardless of sapphire or glass still faired a lot better than the Note 7 is somehow a far more 'on topic' discussion ?? ... In a 'Note 7' thread ... the irony is palpable at times in this subfora
 
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Derail city up in here

Exactly why I've been saying a new thread should have been started for all the recall posts and all the speculation of how a rebranding is gonna be necessary. This is what happens when mods don't come in and keep things in topic. The thread is about the Note 7. Owning one, using one, asking questions to owners so people can decide if the phone is for them. Now the thread is a complete mess. Maybe a new thread should be started for the replacement phones where people don't need to go sift through pages and pages of off topic posts.
 
There are no facts. Anybody can submerge, scratch, bend, etc these phones and inflict damage. If you choose to "believe" these youtubers as the equivalent of scientific test; you go for it.

No damage was inflicted on the lens of the 6S though.And the point is that the 6S did not scratch which corroborated Apple's word at that time while this time it doesnt and Apple invited this level of scrutiny when they claimed it as sapphire.People wont take their word for it
 
Exactly why I've been saying a new thread should have been started for all the recall posts and all the speculation of how a rebranding is gonna be necessary. This is what happens when mods don't come in and keep things in topic. The thread is about the Note 7. Owning one, using one, asking questions to owners so people can decide if the phone is for them. Now the thread is a complete mess. Maybe a new thread should be started for the replacement phones where people don't need to go sift through pages and pages of off topic posts.
I have had posts deleted and warning over much less, some things can slide like constant derailment though
 
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