I hate that Samsung couldn't fix the problem, I'm probably going back to my note 3 and try to wait for the next note. Don't want to get tied down with the note 5 and then a new version comes out in the next 6 months.
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Which is what I said in my post ...
I merely hypothesised if when they work out what it causing it, if it turned out the flat Note 7 they developed side by side with the edge model doesn't have whatever issue is causing it, could they potentially launch that model even if it's under a different moniker .....
As for not believing what we read, should that include when Samsung stated officially after first recall they isolated issue to batteries from Samsung SDI ?. So much for waiting for official statements, because clearly those official statements can be wrong or misleading too ....
Additionally, this site is MacRumors. It's based on technology rumours and conjecture, if we have to wait until official announcements before anyone discussed anything, this would be one hell of a boring forum. It would be MacFacts not MacRumors.
I think you are completely right. I have not seen many here including myself that have claimed anything as fact. We are speculating, but I think that is fair. None of us know what could have caused it, but the phone being rushed and so thin with so much tech is dangerous. I think Samsung was just the first to find this out. I think the way things were going with flagships it was bound to happen because you just can't fit all that in such a small space.
So Samsung made a very poor and expensive business decision when cancelling the Note 7 all around? What do they know what they aren't telling us?
Genuinely asking a question here and not trolling (yes, I know that usually precedes blatant trolling but not in this case). I keep hearing that that the Note 7 was packed by tech and that it was a contributory factor but I can't see what was in there what wasn't already in the Note 5 and/or S7 Edge? It seems pretty much identical to the Edge except for a newer skin and the pen. Am I missing where all the innovation was crammed?
You named one of them in the S pen, and also the iris scanner. The S pen being the one took up space in the phone that may have caused them the issue (I said may for those that want to I am declaring I know the issue). The S pen could have been that thing that pushed the phone beyond the limit. Also like MRU said, the curve one compared to the leaks of the flat one, the curves cause there to be even less space. Both of those could have been a part of this. I know it does not sound like a lot, but it was already tight and super thin. Make those changes are it could have been the thing that put it over the edge.
Thanks. I had forgotten the iris scanner. Naively though the Note seems like a larger S7 Edge(which in this iPhone user of 8 year's eyes is a damn good looking phone) and that extra space would more than accommodate the pen. I realize it's not that simple, every micro meter of these things are important at this point and it's a wonder Samsung, Apple or anyone else can design, build and ship these tiny testaments to hubris in the time they do
Appreciate the reply.
Thanks. I had forgotten the iris scanner. Naively though the Note seems like a larger S7 Edge(which in this iPhone user of 8 year's eyes is a damn good looking phone) and that extra space would more than accommodate the pen. I realize it's not that simple, every micro meter of these things are important at this point and it's a wonder Samsung, Apple or anyone else can design, build and ship these tiny testaments to hubris in the time they do
Appreciate the reply.
You would think that there one be plenty of space for the pen and that curved screen, but who knows. Also the iris scanner may have taken up way to my juice and caused the phone to over head. Maybe this is the reason it had not been so wide spread was because maybe people were using the iris scanner more then others. Again just speculation.
You make S good point to about his crazy it is that the Apples and Samsung's build these phone so fast and get it to us. I think we are seeing what other phones may have found out if not for Samsung. We may of reach the limits of how thin and small a phone can be made with overheating. The rush to be the thinnest was one of my least favorite things companies have been doing. At some point you just can't keep making these phones thinner.
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It applies more to Samsung and Apple more than others in the industry (and each in slightly different areas) but from the custom SOCs - themselves feats of engineering that are absurdly complex - up through the customized radio stacks, sensors, connectors, board layouts, screens, cases and software if you stop to think about it then the sheer effort involved is frightening. It bites them both year after year, this year in a very nasty way for Samsung.
From my (very short) posting history you can see I haven't been very kind to the usual suspects on the Android side that pick at every issue on the Apple end but both camps would do well to take a step back and realize what's actually involved in these things. Nothing wrong with a bit of team spirit but it's gotten silly.
I totally agree with you. I have been an Apple guy for the most part, but took an Android tour for about 3 years about 3 or 4 years ago. I can appreciate what Android is doing, and in no way want failure for anyone, but like you said they all need to take a step back. Try and be very careful in what they are putting out, and stop rushing this stuff. For me that is why I did not mind the iPhone 7 being the same design for the most part as the 6 and 6s. That was fine with me. It means they put nice upgrades to the already proven design. I kind of hope others will make this same design schedule change.
Slow things down and make sure things work correctly. Better a slower schedule with a much more solid phone.
Kinda ironic you say that considering you have been trolling ever since your main account was suspended.I notice you are no longer laughing at that "innovation" comment here.Or was that just to get more likes in that news story?
I'm sorry I hurt you you Radon87000. That was a great comment that made perfect sense.
Protip: I'm not lagwagon.*
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Indeed it did.It was an exact copy from iVerge aka the Apple fans gospel
Me?hurt?On the contrary the fact that an "extraordinary special person" like me isn't suspended and you were proves that the only person who got carried away while posting is not me but you .
Yeah and the moon is made of cheese.
The same "iVerge" that gave the Note 9.3? The same "iVerge" that have the iphone 7 a 9? The same "iVerge" that called Siri garbage this week? It seems like you're attacking a person/character in lieu of facts. I was trying to find out what innovation that's been added to the Note that merited its issues and I did so calmly and politely here. You've resorted to insults. Watch out.
Touched a nerve?...
Edit: btw I'm still not lagwagon
The same "iVerge" that gave the Note 9.3? The same "iVerge" that have the iphone 7 a 9? The same "iVerge" that called Siri garbage this week? It seems like you're attacking a person/character in lieu of facts. I was trying to find out what innovation that's been added to the Note that merited its issues and I did so calmly and politely here. You've resorted to insults. Watch out.
Touched a nerve?...
Edit: btw I'm still not lagwagon
You actually feel Note 7 had no innovation?
Iris Scanner
The most innovative display on the planet
HDR Video support
MicroSD+UFS 2.0 storage.Only a few manufacturers have it
Wireless FAST charging (key word fast)
The best camera on the planet
And don't take my word for it.Several analysts have said that Samsung is “seriously ahead” of Apple when it comes to the development of new smartphone technology.
http://www.channelnews.com.au/samsu...es-that-their-innovation-strategy-is-working/
Well, if you check I actually asked the question and, as an iphone guy was genuinely curious of the answer. If you can hold back on attacking me for a second can you tell me which of those wasn't available on the S7 Edge or S7 that didn't have the battery (or whatever caused that battery to go on fire) issues?
Also, it seems to me that the best camera and display are somewhat contested so, of the remaining points, HDR Video, UFS 2.0, Wireless Fast charging and Iris scanner, which were not present on the regular S7's? Thanks for your patience
There probably will not be any more phones carrying the Note name due to the bad associations. Just glad now that I decided to cancel my Note 7 pre-order & to keep my Note 5.
Well it took 3 1/2 hours of being in the CPW store while the manager got passed pillar to post on the phone to support and at one point got told by someone at head office, they didn't have to deal with that and having the phone put down on him, but I finally got my refund.
Amazing work by the store manager and his team. Far from amazing work by the rest of the company.
Amazing work by the store manager and his team. Far from amazing work by the rest of the company.
I remember a few years ago upgrading through them and the girl who was dealing with me was distracted by chatting to her colleagues and signed me up for the wrong contract. She couldn't bring herself to apologise and just told me I was on that contract and to cancel it would take up to 7 days. I had to be quite firm and suggest it actually wasn't my problem, it was theirs and I would be on the correct contract that day and they would do everything they could to rectify it. I don't think they are used to customers who aren't stupid enough to just walk away. I got my way and have used them twice since for upgrades with no issues.
Specs are the means. User experience is the end.
The point isn't that the Note 7 isn't innovative, by that people are trying to use these hardware features as proof that the iPhone somehow isn't innovative.
Yes, the Note 7 is better in some areas, while the iPhone is better in others. You also neglect to mention that Apple controls its own operating system and supporting services, while Samsung essentially layers whatever software features it can cobble together on top of Android. All this can come together to offer a user experience that is sufficiently differentiated from what Android can offer.
I remember a few years ago upgrading through them and the girl who was dealing with me was distracted by chatting to her colleagues and signed me up for the wrong contract. She couldn't bring herself to apologise and just told me I was on that contract and to cancel it would take up to 7 days. I had to be quite firm and suggest it actually wasn't my problem, it was theirs and I would be on the correct contract that day and they would do everything they could to rectify it. I don't think they are used to customers who aren't stupid enough to just walk away. I got my way and have used them twice since for upgrades with no issues.
the staff themselves were great and on my side. its just shocking that the rest of the company clearly did not care about issuing a refund on a £700 recalled phone
None if that is innovation , it's a laundry list of parts from the part bin.
Not like (using your logic):
- fastest CPU on the planet
- best camera, with optical zoom
- most accurate display
- innovative haptic home button etc
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I totally agree the Note 7 had some amazing tech thrown in. Everyone has said for the last 2 or so years Samsung is killing the completion in size quality. I don't even think that is close. Camera was another area they were leading the pack. Again nothing the iPhone 7/7+ did in screen quality came really that close. The colors are now on par, but the over all sharpest isn't. As for the camera, I think that is a much different story. Now some say Samsung still wins, but other I have seen say they are on par. Either way, Samsung is still doing a great job!
In terms of innovation, yeah the Note 7 pushed out something's that had never been tried like the iris scanner. To me I don't find it very useful, but others might. Samsung has differently become more focused on user experience then just cramming in as much crap as they can into a phone, but I think that is where they still are behind Apple and that will never change because Apple uses there own software built for the hardware. Not saying iOS is better, just that you can't have the same user experience when the phone is built specially in line with the software. Samsung has to use something Google makes, and put their own spin on it. It works fine, but still can't be just that perfect match. Until they make their own software, that will be the case. Again it works completely fine, but I think a year or so down the road is where you start seeing the issues. The phone starts to slow down, and with every android update, the phone gets just a bit slower.
All that to say, Samsung made an amazing device in the Note 7. A phone I really, really wanted to try. It's the first android phone in a very long time that has really appealed to me. The build quality is amazing, and I hope they can make something very similar down the road. I would say just in pure specs and innovation, this year that phone beat Apple. Unfortunately, that was at the cost of a rushed phone that was never able to get its feet off the ground. We are going to have to wait and see if Samsung can create that magic again, or if Apple blows them away now with a little extra time. I don't know, but I think all of it is good for us. Makes them fight to be better, but now that everyone can see the cost of rushing or trying to just pack as much as you can into a phone. Maybe this will cause everyone to slow down and make a much more solid device.
Slight correction ... Not sure why people have the perception that Samsung were first on this, as Microsoft had two handsets with Iris Scanners a full year ahead of the Samsung on this. The Lumia 950 and 950XL ...
So Samsung made a very poor and expensive business decision when cancelling the Note 7 all around? What do they know what they aren't telling us?
That wasn't the point of my post? And it was a good business decision to suspend it due to the ludicrous media coverage, a lot of it being hyperbole. And yes it'll cost them an awful lot of money, not sure why your questioned that? I don't think it should have been permanently withdrawn, but that's my opinion as I think if they fixed the fault it would still sell.
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