Phones Galaxy Note 7

[apolloa]

There always is hyperbole in the media coverage, although I'm quite sure that you will disagree in cases like "bendgate" (which did not lead to a total cancellation of the supposedly affected device and no flood of complaints after certain sites dropped the topic either). I just find that the complete cancellation of a device generation sends a pretty clear message. And that message most certainly is not "the media is making up stories and damaging my reputation".

That's very true, the bed fate isn't an interesting case though, the number of those with bent phones again whilst a bigger number then Note 7s that are faulty, is still low, however as it transpires it seems to be the cause of these faulty screens that are the topic of a court case against Apple. So at the time it was hyperbole, but now? It may have been worth the attention. The media has been going hyperbole over the Note 7 though I think.

Why don't you think it should have been permanently withdrawn? Companies don't pull high end products out of production for no good reason. They certainly don't do it just because some media outlets have reported something negative. You said yourself when people have shared theories on the issue that Samsung don't appear to know the cause. So what do you know that nobody else does?

This issue goes way beyond a few consumers annoyed because the phone they really wanted is now out of reach. This was the largest recall in modern smartphone history and a total withdrawal of a market leading flagship device due to very serious safety concerns. Samsung were even sending out fire retardant packaging for couriers to pick these devices up! The product was taken off the shelves because it was not fit for purpose and evidently had a fatal design flaw. I think it's reached the point where everybody needs to accept that.

I think going by the history of car recalls they could have repaired the fault and Jo Public will happily still buy it. I don't pertain to know the cause, think you over reaching to suggest that. It has a fault, not a design flaw as that hasn't been proven yet. They sent fire retardant packaging most likely because no courier would carry it otherwise, in the U.K. If you send any mobile though the post or courier it automatically had an official hazardous item stick out on the packaging.

 

[I7guy]

The 7plus has the optical zoom but doesn't have OIS on the second lens to help so you have to hold the phone super steady or use a tripod.

Also, all three Samsung flagships have the same camera. It is not Samsung's fault that Apple chooses to cripple the regular size iPhone with an inferior camera.

Edit: I also feel the need to point out that with higher MegaPixel camera, you can zoom in already without losing detail. Funny that higher MP was not important but all of a sudden optical zoom is awesome.

By that logic it's not apples fault they have a 2x optical zoom and Samsung doesn't. OIS is an aid period, and perfectly good photos can be taken without it.

 

[KillaMac]

Well, it's pretty obvious that the Pixel and S7 Edge can't touch the iPhone 7 in photos. Real life here and not DXO.

Pixel vs iPhone 7:

Pixel vs S7 edge:

 

[mi7chy]

Not only is the iPhone 7 Plus lacking OIS on the 2nd camera but it's a lousy f/2.8 aperture which is crappy in anything but perfect lighting meaning useless baggage. When I tote around a DSLR it's always only with a versatile f/1.7 prime for low light performance, natural bokeh and wide angle since I can zoom with my feet.

If Google manages to match OIS stabilization with EIS the benefits are no hump (no wobble on flat surface) plus better reliability since there's no complexity to break. There are already reports that iPhone 7 Plus often requires reboot to clear up focus issues.

IP53 and IP67 aren't as good as IP68 and they're not covered under warranty anyway so it's bottom in priority for most people.

One significant advantage of Pixel is the OLED display so combined with highest DxOMark rated camera, smartest AI, better services and more capable and stable OS it offers better value than iPhone 7 Plus.

 

[KillaMac]

Not only is the iPhone 7 Plus lacking OIS on the 2nd camera but it's a lousy f/2.8 aperture which is crappy in anything but perfect lighting meaning useless baggage. When I tote around a DSLR it's always only with a versatile f/1.7 prime for low light performance, natural bokeh and wide angle since I can zoom with my feet.

If Google manages to match OIS stabilization with EIS the benefits are no hump (no wobble on flat surface) plus better reliability since there's no complexity to break. There are already reports that iPhone 7 Plus often requires reboot to clear up focus issues.

IP53 and IP67 aren't as good as IP68 and they're not covered under warranty anyway so it's bottom in priority for most people.

One significant advantage of Pixel is the OLED display so combined with highest DxOMark rated camera, smartest AI, better services and more capable and stable OS it offers better value than iPhone 7 Plus.

Well real photos are coming in like above and the pixel is not all that. Iphone is taking better pictures.

 

[Klyster]

Well real photos are coming in like above and the pixel is not all that. Iphone is taking better pictures.

There's so many comparisons with so many different results.

A few videos favouring one or the other phone camera isn't convincing either way.

MRU showed what a Huawei Honor is capable of, looked brilliant, as good as any flagship.

 

[I7guy]

Not only is the iPhone 7 Plus lacking OIS on the 2nd camera but it's a lousy f/2.8 aperture which is crappy in anything but perfect lighting meaning useless baggage. When I tote around a DSLR it's always only with a versatile f/1.7 prime for low light performance, natural bokeh and wide angle since I can zoom with my feet.

If Google manages to match OIS stabilization with EIS the benefits are no hump (no wobble on flat surface) plus better reliability since there's no complexity to break. There are already reports that iPhone 7 Plus often requires reboot to clear up focus issues.

IP53 and IP67 aren't as good as IP68 and they're not covered under warranty anyway so it's bottom in priority for most people.

One significant advantage of Pixel is the OLED display so combined with highest DxOMark rated camera, smartest AI, better services and more capable and stable OS it offers better value than iPhone 7 Plus.

Out of curiosity how do you know water resistance is at the bottom of the list for most people? Also seems Apple ipx7 beats Samsung ip68 in real world tests.

Interesting spin sic: hyperbole on the second lens of the iPhone 7+.

 

[mi7chy]

Reality is it can't even survive a shallow toilet drop and it's not covered under warranty so IP67 means nothing.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/do-not-get-your-iphone-7-wet.2004243/

DxOMark probably hasn't bothered to review the 7 Plus because they don't want to dock it any lower than 4th tier for the extra baggage. Cutting the exposure by more than half just for a 2X zoom is a joke. The wasted space would've been better served putting in a larger single primary sensor with bigger pixels.

When it comes to reviews only trusted professionals matter. Nobody has time for fakes and plagiarists.

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Pixel-smartphone-camera-review-At-the-top

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Samsung-Galaxy-S7-Edge-Mobile-Review-A-new-champion

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Apple-iPhone-7-camera-review-better-than-ever

 

[Truefan31]

Reality is it can't even survive a shallow toilet drop and it's not covered under warranty so IP67 means nothing.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/do-not-get-your-iphone-7-wet.2004243/

DxOMark probably hasn't bothered to review the 7 Plus because they don't want to dock it any lower than 4th tier for the extra baggage. Cutting the exposure by more than half just for a 2X zoom is a joke. The wasted space would've been better served putting in a larger single primary sensor with bigger pixels.

When it comes to reviews only trusted professionals matter. Nobody has time for fakes and plagiarists.

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Pixel-smartphone-camera-review-At-the-top

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Samsung-Galaxy-S7-Edge-Mobile-Review-A-new-champion

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Apple-iPhone-7-camera-review-better-than-ever

Lol you just can't help tryin to bag the iPhone 7 in a galaxy note 7 thread. Or talk about the pixel in a galaxy note 7 thread. Just know that the company you seem to bag on all the time will probably have a better than expected quarter due in part to the note 7 fiasco.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/16/...federal-crime-federal-aviation-administration

Well that's one thing the note 7 has over the iPhone lol

 

[Radon87000]

Samsung should be able to do something about it through TW. Let's not excuse them.

No.They cannot.From Anandtech

" iOS remains the only relevant mobile OS with proper color management, and is miles ahead of Android in this regard which has no concept of multiple color spaces. This allows for wide gamut displays to be used properly which is a huge win and great to see. Samsung is in the unfortunate situation of having to deal with Android not having any form of color management, which means that the wide color modes that their AMOLED displays have available are not truly useful. Apple's control over the hardware and software stack allows them to provide tools for creating wide color content without compromising the visual integrity of existing sRGB content, and that makes the display decidedly more future-proof."

It's not the best camera on the planet mate I can assure you.

I am talking about the best smartphone camera

Well, it's pretty obvious that the Pixel and S7 Edge can't touch the iPhone 7 in photos. Real life here and not DXO.

Pixel vs iPhone 7:

Pixel vs S7 edge:

I disagree.I find there is a difference between the S7 and iPhone 7 in photos,sometimes even huge and particularly in low Light nothing can touch the S7.The low light pics below show huge differences at times



Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

 

[Michael Goff]

No.They cannot.From Anandtech

" iOS remains the only relevant mobile OS with proper color management, and is miles ahead of Android in this regard which has no concept of multiple color spaces. This allows for wide gamut displays to be used properly which is a huge win and great to see. Samsung is in the unfortunate situation of having to deal with Android not having any form of color management, which means that the wide color modes that their AMOLED displays have available are not truly useful. Apple's control over the hardware and software stack allows them to provide tools for creating wide color content without compromising the visual integrity of existing sRGB content, and that makes the display decidedly more future-proof."


I am talking about the best smartphone camera



I disagree.I find there is a difference between the S7 and iPhone 7 in photos,sometimes even huge and particularly in low Light nothing can touch the S7.The low light pics below show huge differences at times



Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

My bad, then.

 

[MRU]

No.They cannot.From Anandtech

" iOS remains the only relevant mobile OS with proper color management, and is miles ahead of Android in this regard which has no concept of multiple color spaces. This allows for wide gamut displays to be used properly which is a huge win and great to see. Samsung is in the unfortunate situation of having to deal with Android not having any form of color management, which means that the wide color modes that their AMOLED displays have available are not truly useful. Apple's control over the hardware and software stack allows them to provide tools for creating wide color content without compromising the visual integrity of existing sRGB content, and that makes the display decidedly more future-proof."


I am talking about the best smartphone camera



I disagree.I find there is a difference between the S7 and iPhone 7 in photos,sometimes even huge and particularly in low Light nothing can touch the S7.The low light pics below show huge differences at times



Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

There is something off with those Android central photos, the colour differences seem way off whack compared to my own iPhone 7 & S7 tests I posted in the Honor 8 pics thread. I find the colour differences no where near as different as those photos would indicate, which suggests to me they may have been adjusted post pic.

I am not saying one is better than the other as I've taken great shots and duff shots with both too, but those pics just don't tally with my own actual experience with both cameras taking photos side by side where the results are far more similar than they are different .

 

[Aneres11]

Beautiful dog

He's very handsome... but he knows it haha.

Ohh and re the Ireland shipping thing for Pixel - my manager seemed to think it would be possible to ship outside the UK to Ireland. But to be honest when he answered me he was getting annoyed with our data transfer machine and swearing, so I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

We were so busy with Note 7 exchanges on Saturday that I didn't get time to explore it further for a concrete response, sorry dude.

 

[MRU]

He's very handsome... but he knows it haha.

Ohh and re the Ireland shipping thing for Pixel - my manager seemed to think it would be possible to ship outside the UK to Ireland. But to be honest when he answered me he was getting annoyed with our data transfer machine and swearing, so I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

We were so busy with Note 7 exchanges on Saturday that I didn't get time to explore it further for a concrete response, sorry dude.

Thanks for checking, I appreciate the effort .

Like I say I have relatives going to UK at the end of this month and they will be in Birmingham and London at least a day at either and will do a but of shopping, so I may just get them to call to a CPW and buy one in person assuming they have them in stock.

Really though it's not like I need another phone really, with 5 now garnering my table

 

[bmac4]

There is something off with those Android central photos, the colour differences seem way off whack compared to my own iPhone 7 & S7 tests I posted in the Honor 8 pics thread. I find the colour differences no where near as different as those photos would indicate, which suggests to me they may have been adjusted post pic.

I am not saying one is better than the other as I've taken great shots and duff shots with both too, but those pics just don't tally with my own actual experience with both cameras taking photos side by side where the results are far more similar than they are different .

I don't understand why this thread has become a bashing of the iPhone and Pixel cameras. But you have been many times on Macrumers, smartphone cameras have just as much to do with the user as the camera on the back. These cameras are so close, the difference are extremely small. Again I have no idea what this has to do with the Note 7. I guess if Samsung is having a bad couple of months, we must need to drag Apple in there some how.

 

[I7guy]

Reality is it can't even survive a shallow toilet drop and it's not covered under warranty so IP67 means nothing.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/do-not-get-your-iphone-7-wet.2004243/

DxOMark probably hasn't bothered to review the 7 Plus because they don't want to dock it any lower than 4th tier for the extra baggage. Cutting the exposure by more than half just for a 2X zoom is a joke. The wasted space would've been better served putting in a larger single primary sensor with bigger pixels.

When it comes to reviews only trusted professionals matter. Nobody has time for fakes and plagiarists.

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Pixel-smartphone-camera-review-At-the-top

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Samsung-Galaxy-S7-Edge-Mobile-Review-A-new-champion

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Apple-iPhone-7-camera-review-better-than-ever

Actually that reality is more like this

not some one off thread, since we're talking "trusted sources"

And as far "trusted sources" i guess cnet as well as other sites is just as trusted as any mentioned.
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No.They cannot.From Anandtech

" iOS remains the only relevant mobile OS with proper color management, and is miles ahead of Android in this regard which has no concept of multiple color spaces. This allows for wide gamut displays to be used properly which is a huge win and great to see. Samsung is in the unfortunate situation of having to deal with Android not having any form of color management, which means that the wide color modes that their AMOLED displays have available are not truly useful. Apple's control over the hardware and software stack allows them to provide tools for creating wide color content without compromising the visual integrity of existing sRGB content, and that makes the display decidedly more future-proof."


I am talking about the best smartphone camera



I disagree.I find there is a difference between the S7 and iPhone 7 in photos,sometimes even huge and particularly in low Light nothing can touch the S7.The low light pics below show huge differences at

And yet there are other comparos that show how bad the s7 color accuracy test is...so pick your poison. The thing about the low light photo samples is the s7probably don't show the rendered scene correctly, the iPhone 7 looks more natural if the scene is low light.

 

[KillaMac]

No.They cannot.From Anandtech

" iOS remains the only relevant mobile OS with proper color management, and is miles ahead of Android in this regard which has no concept of multiple color spaces. This allows for wide gamut displays to be used properly which is a huge win and great to see. Samsung is in the unfortunate situation of having to deal with Android not having any form of color management, which means that the wide color modes that their AMOLED displays have available are not truly useful. Apple's control over the hardware and software stack allows them to provide tools for creating wide color content without compromising the visual integrity of existing sRGB content, and that makes the display decidedly more future-proof."


I am talking about the best smartphone camera



I disagree.I find there is a difference between the S7 and iPhone 7 in photos,sometimes even huge and particularly in low Light nothing can touch the S7.The low light pics below show huge differences at times



Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

Galaxy S7

iPhone 7

In those pics the iPhone 7 looks better and more natural. The grass is the correct color and not blown out. The indoor picture if you look at the detail is not overexposed like on the s7. I've owned an s7 edge since it was released and now a ip7plus. I know which is better.

 

[Aneres11]

Really though it's not like I need another phone really, with 5 now garnering my table

Haha - well what's a sixth when you have 5!?

What worries me is that I'm really going to want the Pixel when I see it... which is a concern.
I will hang fire on buying my Lumia 950 XL (which I've decided on as my second device, purely for the camera, and I do love dem tiles!), until I've seen the Pixel. I just have a feeling I'm going to be so tempted, and we should have one in for display at least by Saturday on my next shift.

Damn phone addiction.

 

[KillaMac]

Haha - well what's a sixth when you have 5!?

What worries me is that I'm really going to want the Pixel when I see it... which is a concern.
I will hang fire on buying my Lumia 950 XL (which I've decided on as my second device, purely for the camera, and I do love dem tiles!), until I've seen the Pixel. I just have a feeling I'm going to be so tempted, and we should have one in for display at least by Saturday on my next shift.

Damn phone addiction.

Nah, even people on the androidcentral forum are saying the iPhone takes better pictures than the Pixel. And that is on an Android forum.

 

[FFR]

Nah, even people on the androidcentral forum are saying the iPhone takes better pictures than the Pixel. And that is on an Android forum.

Not only that but the amount of galaxy note 7 users switching to iPhones 7 over there was surprising.

 

[burgman]

Why isn't this thread as dead as the Note 7?

 

[apolloa]

I don't understand why this thread has become a bashing of the iPhone and Pixel cameras. But you have been many times on Macrumers, smartphone cameras have just as much to do with the user as the camera on the back. These cameras are so close, the difference are extremely small. Again I have no idea what this has to do with the Note 7. I guess if Samsung is having a bad couple of months, we must need to drag Apple in there some how.

Hehe of course we have to drag Apple down lol.
I personally found my iPhone 6S camera to be pretty good and fast. Not so much the iPhone 7 camera, and the Galaxy cameras are also good. They are all pretty good. But I guess like the screens it's personal preference as to which you prefer? My iPad Pro 9.7" camera is pretty good too
Will be interesting to see how the new Pixel cameras hold up though as they are using some different stabilisation software aren't they?

 

[bmac4]

Hehe of course we have to drag Apple down lol.
I personally found my iPhone 6S camera to be pretty good and fast. Not so much the iPhone 7 camera, and the Galaxy cameras are also good. They are all pretty good. But I guess like the screens it's personal preference as to which you prefer? My iPad Pro 9.7" camera is pretty good too

Haha yeah I guess, but I just don't see what Apple has to do with any of this.

 

[apolloa]

Haha yeah I guess, but I just don't see what Apple has to do with any of this.

Absolutely nothing, unless we are talking camera comparisons. I'm sure the Note 7 was good at photos too.. but as we won't get much real world experience now of it I guess we can chuck Apple into the mix?
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Actually that reality is more like this

not some one off thread, since we're talking "trusted sources"

And as far "trusted sources" i guess cnet as well as other sites is just as trusted as any mentioned.
[doublepost=1476697931][/doublepost]
And yet there are other comparos that show how bad the s7 color accuracy test is...so pick your poison. The thing about the low light photo samples is the s7probably don't show the rendered scene correctly, the iPhone 7 looks more natural if the scene is low light.

Haha I was going to post a reply like this but forgot. Yeah I'm pretty sure the iPhone 7 will survive the toilet... Not that I would personally go diving for it!! Yuuk.

 

[bmac4]

Absolutely nothing, unless we are talking camera comparisons. I'm sure the Note 7 was good at photos too.. but as we won't get much real world experience now of it I guess we can chuck Apple into the mix?
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Haha I was going to post a reply like this but forgot. Yeah I'm pretty sure the iPhone 7 will survive the toilet... Not that I would personally go diving for it!! Yuuk.

Yeah that makes sense. So now it can only be an iPhone vs S7/edge. I never saw many shots from the Note 7, so I can't comment on whether it was good or not.