Phones Galaxy Note 7

[Michael Goff]

Slight correction ... Not sure why people have the perception that Samsung were first on this, as Microsoft had two handsets with Iris Scanners a full year ahead of the Samsung on this. The Lumia 950 and 950XL ...

And I'll be honest, its been working a lot better with recent builds of RS 2.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

the staff themselves were great and on my side. its just shocking that the rest of the company clearly did not care about issuing a refund on a £700 recalled phone

The staff in stores are usually great I agree. In situations like yours I usually find contact details for the company director and complain. You'll soon get a reply in my experience lol.

 

[Nefilim]

That wasn't the point of my post? And it was a good business decision to suspend it due to the ludicrous media coverage, a lot of it being hyperbole. And yes it'll cost them an awful lot of money, not sure why your questioned that? I don't think it should have been permanently withdrawn, but that's my opinion as I think if they fixed the fault it would still sell.

There always is hyperbole in the media coverage, although I'm quite sure that you will disagree in cases like "bendgate" (which did not lead to a total cancellation of the supposedly affected device and no flood of complaints after certain sites dropped the topic either). I just find that the complete cancellation of a device generation sends a pretty clear message. And that message most certainly is not "the media is making up stories and damaging my reputation".

 

[KillaMac]

Slight correction ... Not sure why people have the perception that Samsung were first on this, as Microsoft had two handsets with Iris Scanners a full year ahead of the Samsung on this. The Lumia 950 and 950XL ...

Nokia makes them for Microsoft. So really it's Nokia.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

That wasn't the point of my post? And it was a good business decision to suspend it due to the ludicrous media coverage, a lot of it being hyperbole. And yes it'll cost them an awful lot of money, not sure why your questioned that? I don't think it should have been permanently withdrawn, but that's my opinion as I think if they fixed the fault it would still sell.

Why don't you think it should have been permanently withdrawn? Companies don't pull high end products out of production for no good reason. They certainly don't do it just because some media outlets have reported something negative. You said yourself when people have shared theories on the issue that Samsung don't appear to know the cause. So what do you know that nobody else does?

This issue goes way beyond a few consumers annoyed because the phone they really wanted is now out of reach. This was the largest recall in modern smartphone history and a total withdrawal of a market leading flagship device due to very serious safety concerns. Samsung were even sending out fire retardant packaging for couriers to pick these devices up! The product was taken off the shelves because it was not fit for purpose and evidently had a fatal design flaw. I think it's reached the point where everybody needs to accept that.

 

[The Game 161]

Well my flight from Birmingham to Barcelona they said no note 7 are allowed to be switched on...which I heard somebody say "what moron still has one" made me chuckle

 

[Michael Goff]

Nokia makes them for Microsoft. So really it's Nokia.

Where did you hear that? Microsoft bought the handset division from Nokia. The people who made the Lumia 950 aren't Nokia.

 

[Radon87000]

None if that is innovation , it's a laundry list of parts from the part bin

Some of the features I listed are on the iPhone 8.So I guess this laundry list of parts will be innovation once Apple does it

- fastest CPU on the planet

Okay

best camera, with optical zoom

Best camera on the planet is the S7 edge and by extension the Note 7.The iPhone 7 camera is up there but still slightly outclassed by Samsung

- most accurate display

There is absolutely not contest here.There isnt a single display in the smartphone industry that can compete with the S7 Edge and Note 7 OLED. In fact just like how Apple are far ahead of the curve when it comes to the CPU,Samsung is similarly ahead of Apple on the display front

I am so confident about the iPhone 8 display being groundbreaking thanks to OLED I am breaking my 2 year release schedule for this only

- innovative haptic home button etc

Although I love this feature I really dont understand how its unique in any way.My Lumia 820 from 2012 had haptic feedback with customisation to boot

I totally agree the Note 7 had some amazing tech thrown in. Everyone has said for the last 2 or so years Samsung is killing the completion in size quality. I don't even think that is close. Camera was another area they were leading the pack. Again nothing the iPhone 7/7+ did in screen quality came really that close. The colors are now on par, but the over all sharpest isn't. As for the camera, I think that is a much different story. Now some say Samsung still wins, but other I have seen say they are on par. Either way, Samsung is still doing a great job!

In terms of innovation, yeah the Note 7 pushed out something's that had never been tried like the iris scanner. To me I don't find it very useful, but others might. Samsung has differently become more focused on user experience then just cramming in as much crap as they can into a phone, but I think that is where they still are behind Apple and that will never change because Apple uses there own software built for the hardware. Not saying iOS is better, just that you can't have the same user experience when the phone is built specially in line with the software. Samsung has to use something Google makes, and put their own spin on it. It works fine, but still can't be just that perfect match. Until they make their own software, that will be the case. Again it works completely fine, but I think a year or so down the road is where you start seeing the issues. The phone starts to slow down, and with every android update, the phone gets just a bit slower.

All that to say, Samsung made an amazing device in the Note 7. A phone I really, really wanted to try. It's the first android phone in a very long time that has really appealed to me. The build quality is amazing, and I hope they can make something very similar down the road. I would say just in pure specs and innovation, this year that phone beat Apple. Unfortunately, that was at the cost of a rushed phone that was never able to get its feet off the ground. We are going to have to wait and see if Samsung can create that magic again, or if Apple blows them away now with a little extra time. I don't know, but I think all of it is good for us. Makes them fight to be better, but now that everyone can see the cost of rushing or trying to just pack as much as you can into a phone. Maybe this will cause everyone to slow down and make a much more solid device.

A very good read.I would personally like owning both as I believe Android and iOS do complement each other although when it comes to integrated ecosystems nothing comes close to Apple.I will probably consider the S8 once its out to complement my Tab S2

 

[Michael Goff]

Some of the features I listed are on the iPhone 8.So I guess this laundry list of parts will be innovation once Apple does it



Okay

Best camera on the planet is the S7 edge and by extension the Note 7.The iPhone 7 camera is up there but still slightly outclassed by Samsung


There is absolutely not contest here.There isnt a single display in the smartphone industry that can compete with the S7 Edge and Note 7 OLED. In fact just like how Apple are far ahead of the curve when it comes to the CPU,Samsung is similarly ahead of Apple on the display front


Although I love this feature I really dont understand how its unique in any way.My Lumia 820 from 2012 had haptic feedback with customisation to boot





A very good read.I would personally like owning both as I believe Android and iOS do complement each other although when it comes to integrated ecosystems nothing comes close to Apple.I will probably consider the S8 once its out and trade in my Galaxy S6 Edge

Then Samsung needs to point out how they can show the entire DCI-P3 color space.

 

[I7guy]

Some of the features I listed are on the iPhone 8.So I guess this laundry list of parts will be innovation once Apple does it



Okay

Best camera on the planet is the S7 edge and by extension the Note 7.The iPhone 7 camera is up there but still slightly outclassed by Samsung


There is absolutely not contest here.There isnt a single display in the smartphone industry that can compete with the S7 Edge and Note 7 OLED. In fact just like how Apple are far ahead of the curve when it comes to the CPU,Samsung is similarly ahead of Apple on the display front

I am so confident about the iPhone 8 display being groundbreaking thanks to OLED I am breaking my 2 year release schedule for this only


Although I love this feature I really dont understand how its unique in any way.My Lumia 820 from 2012 had haptic feedback with customisation to boot





A very good read.I would personally like owning both as I believe Android and iOS do complement each other although when it comes to integrated ecosystems nothing comes close to Apple.I will probably consider the S8 once its out to complement my Tab S2

Moving goalposts, got it. Subjective vs objective.

 

[macgeek88]

Best camera on the planet is the S7 edge and by extension the Note 7.The iPhone 7 camera is up there but still slightly outclassed by Samsung

The regular iPhone 7 yes, but not the Plus. The Plus has dual cameras which make zoomed pictures look way better, the depth effect, which is something that Samsung hasn't done (yet). But yes, comparing the regular iPhone 7 to the S7, yes, the S7 camera is better.

 

[Radon87000]

Then Samsung needs to point out how they can show the entire DCI-P3 color space.

The displays themselves are more than capable of it but Android itself lacks color management natively therefore its not something Samsung can fix
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The regular iPhone 7 yes, but not the Plus. The Plus has dual cameras which make zoomed pictures look way better, the depth effect, which is something that Samsung hasn't done (yet). But yes, comparing the regular iPhone 7 to the S7, yes, the S7 camera is better.

In low light I found the S7 Edge to do a better job then the iPhone 7 Plus.The zoomed lens is awesome though.I love the camera of my 7 Plus but tbh found low light performance slightly underwhelming

 

[MRU]

Re: camera. As someone who uses their phones a lot to take photos, I have to say that from my own experience the top devices are all pretty much very similar in good light. The differences only really kick in when it comes to lowlight (something I never shoot in personally anyway) and video with things like OIS differences.

Camera wise and in good light there is still nothing that shoots as good photos as the old Lumia 1020 .... even after all these years.

But generally if you have any of the current flagships, the differences between their camera performance is very similar across the board imho.


But hey .. I'm someone who even managed to take great photos with the likes of the flawed 4MP ultrapixel HTC M7 from a few years back.

 

[bmac4]

Some of the features I listed are on the iPhone 8.So I guess this laundry list of parts will be innovation once Apple does it



Okay

Best camera on the planet is the S7 edge and by extension the Note 7.The iPhone 7 camera is up there but still slightly outclassed by Samsung


There is absolutely not contest here.There isnt a single display in the smartphone industry that can compete with the S7 Edge and Note 7 OLED. In fact just like how Apple are far ahead of the curve when it comes to the CPU,Samsung is similarly ahead of Apple on the display front

I am so confident about the iPhone 8 display being groundbreaking thanks to OLED I am breaking my 2 year release schedule for this only


Although I love this feature I really dont understand how its unique in any way.My Lumia 820 from 2012 had haptic feedback with customisation to boot





A very good read.I would personally like owning both as I believe Android and iOS do complement each other although when it comes to integrated ecosystems nothing comes close to Apple.I will probably consider the S8 once its out to complement my Tab S2

Totally agree. I want them to keep pushing each other. Samsung will always lack the software hardware cohesiveness that iOS has with the iPhone, but they have killed it with specs the last 2 years. That is not to say their touchwiz version of android is bad because that is not true. It's just not the same as building the software along side the hardware.

It truly is a shame the Note 7 was cancelled. Hardware wise the best phone we have seen this year. Hope they get it right in the future.

 

[The Game 161]

The regular iPhone 7 yes, but not the Plus. The Plus has dual cameras which make zoomed pictures look way better, the depth effect, which is something that Samsung hasn't done (yet). But yes, comparing the regular iPhone 7 to the S7, yes, the S7 camera is better.

Agree with this

Non zoom

Zoom

So yes love this feature

Has been so useful on my trip to Barcelona this week

 

[Michael Goff]

The displays themselves are more than capable of it but Android itself lacks color management natively therefore its not something Samsung can fix
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In low light I found the S7 Edge to do a better job then the iPhone 7 Plus.The zoomed lens is awesome though.I love the camera of my 7 Plus but tbh found low light performance slightly underwhelming

Samsung should be able to do something about it through TW. Let's not excuse them.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Best camera on the planet is the S7 edge and by extension the Note 7.The iPhone 7 camera is up there but still slightly outclassed by Samsung

It's not the best camera on the planet mate I can assure you.

 

[KillaMac]

It's not the best camera on the planet mate I can assure you.

Agreed. Definitely not the best Smart phone camera. I own one.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Agreed. Definitely not the best Smart phone camera. I own one.

It could be the best smartphone camera for all I know or care, but it's not the best camera in the broader sense.

The top end phones all have good cameras for their purpose with very little yo tell them apart. My iPhone 6S takes a really good picture but that's the thing. If you are a crap photographer then even a Hassleblad is not going to produce a good picture for you. As proven time and time again when these cameras are tested, the results are often subjective due to the fact the devices themselves are so close in sensor quality.

 

[MRU]

It could be the best smartphone camera for all I know or care, but it's not the best camera in the broader sense.

The top end phones all have good cameras for their purpose with very little yo tell them apart. My iPhone 6S takes a really good picture but that's the thing. If you are a crap photographer then even a Hassleblad is not going to produce a good picture for you. As proven time and time again when these cameras are tested, the results are often subjective due to the fact the devices themselves are so close in sensor quality.

We have a €16,000 Hasselblad digital 50mp monster here in our studio. TBH it captures so much detail that often it's a bad thing as I have to spend much longer touching portraits up because people's faces end up like the moon and every pore a crater .... If I'm using the studio I will often skip the hasselblad and just shoot someone with one of our Sony cams which requires less careful execution

 

[macfacts]

The regular iPhone 7 yes, but not the Plus. The Plus has dual cameras which make zoomed pictures look way better, the depth effect, which is something that Samsung hasn't done (yet). But yes, comparing the regular iPhone 7 to the S7, yes, the S7 camera is better.

The 7plus has the optical zoom but doesn't have OIS on the second lens to help so you have to hold the phone super steady or use a tripod.

Also, all three Samsung flagships have the same camera. It is not Samsung's fault that Apple chooses to cripple the regular size iPhone with an inferior camera.

Edit: I also feel the need to point out that with higher MegaPixel camera, you can zoom in already without losing detail. Funny that higher MP was not important but all of a sudden optical zoom is awesome.

 

[Aneres11]

Best camera on the planet is the S7 edge and by extension the Note 7.The iPhone 7 camera is up there but still slightly outclassed by Samsung

Sorry to butt in on the convo... but nope. The Lumia's (950 / XL) have the best camera's on the planet. And that's no contest.
The Note / S7 is up there, and in terms of focus and camera speed it's the best. But quality it's the 950 every single time. Like MRU said, the 1020 could potentially even be better though.
I always feel the need to chime in about this when people say the s7 / Note have the best camera's. It's all personal opinions of course, but I owned both and can confidently say the Note does not have the best camera on the planet.

 

[macgeek88]

The 7plus has the optical zoom but doesn't have OIS on the second lens to help so you have to hold the phone super steady or use a tripod.

Also, all three Samsung flagships have the same camera. It is not Samsung's fault that Apple chooses to cripple the regular size iPhone with an inferior camera.

Edit: I also feel the need to point out that with higher MegaPixel camera, you can zoom in already without losing detail. Funny that higher MP was not important but all of a sudden optical zoom is awesome.

I must disagree.

I never said it was Samsung's fault about the regular 7.

There is a huge difference between the zoom quality of a "high mp" Samsung S7/Note 7 and the zoom with a dual camera on the iPhone 7 Plus. The 7 Plus is better in every way.

Fact is, the iPhone 7 Plus is taking the best pics on a smartphone I've seen and I've seen a ton of photos. The 7 Plus is an amazing smartphone with a great camera and is the next best thing to a DSLR now. They are selling like hotcakes...

 

[Aneres11]

I've been using my 7 Pluses camera and I am not particularly thrilled with the results. They all seem to need editing to look half decent. Colours just seem a little washed out to me.

This is a shot I took on my 950 earlier in the year.
Just point and shoot, nothing fancy or arty. Straight from OneDrive. (Well, onto photo bucket, so maybe some quality loss but hopefully not).

 

[MRU]

I've been using my 7 Pluses camera and I am not particularly thrilled with the results. They all seem to need editing to look half decent. Colours just seem a little washed out to me.

This is a shot I took on my 950 earlier in the year.
Just point and shoot, nothing fancy or arty. Straight from OneDrive. (Well, onto photo bucket, so maybe some quality loss but hopefully not).

Beautiful dog