That's fair, but even if it's larger by less than 0.19", it's not an S-like upgrade.
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That's fair, but even if it's larger by less than 0.19", it's not an S-like upgrade.
As I've already stated, I agree that it isn't an S-upgrade....
Nor do I think it is as substantial an upgrade as the 4S > 5.
Somewhere in the middle....
can you follow up on what features were better added on the 5 from the 4s compared to what the gs3 to the gs4 is getting.Anyway I look at it the gs4 has better upgrades.
4s had 326ppi and so does the 5 vs the gs3 going from 306 to 440 ppi
4s went from 640×960 to 1,136×640 vs gs3 1,280x720 to 1,920x1080
4s battery is about the same size to the 5 and the gs4 from the leaked batter pics is a lot bigger from the gs3.
the cpu/gpu on the gs4 is not even the same generation arch from arm,its using the first true a15 cores so you cant even try to say the gs4 is lacking in the soc department,if anything it is its main selling point.
so just curious to see how you feel its not as worth if the 4s to 5 upgrade
after using the s2 and s3 im scratching my head how you came to this conclusion?
I think the major thing they are referring to is the total redesign to the exterior. Your average Joe can look at a 4S and 5 and immediately tell the difference. If I walked into work with an s3 and then the s4 the next day...no one would notice (assuming the leaks we have seen are correct)
Okay. No.
(The following is directed at everyone else who's insinuating the same thing, too).
There's a reason why people respond to Samsung's [if true] minor S3-to-S4 upgrade differently than they do to Apple's upgrades.
Samsung's smartphone lineup is so much more versatile than Apple's. Samsung has a wide range of phones to cover different sizes and price levels, many of them are current generation, and offer different experiences but still remain smartphones.
With Apple, there is only one screen size that is of current generation. The smaller option is over a year old, and there's no larger screen size at all.
Also, just taking their phones at face value, the S3 offers so much more packed into it than the iPhone 5 -- in other words, it truly is hard for Samsung to introduce many hardware changes (and again, they have other lineups to cover other ground in the smartphone world). Apple, on the other hand, intentionally withholds hardware changes (they don't believe wireless charging is worth it, nor in screen size options, nor NFC, nor notification lights, nor expandable memory, etc.).
Likewise, Samsung doesn't recycle their design for two years, as Apple has been doing, and will likely continue to do with the 5S.
So, is the S3-to-S4 upgrade small? Sure -- as small as the 4S-to-5 upgrade, if you want to really compare. But does Samsung take two years to do it? No.
TL;DR: No one is giving Samsung a free pass. Samsung just has their bases more covered.
*DISCLAIMER: I don't own a single Samsung product (no smartphone, phablet, tablet, TV, or fridge). Just pointing out that it is not even playing fields when it comes to people's response to Samsung vs people's response to Apple.
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same can be said for apple and most companies,I lost track of how many htc phones have come out in the last year
htc one
htc one x
htc one pro
and so on and Im sure you have seen this video of the launch on the iphone 5 but take a look and have a laugh about people not knowing the difference of the iphone 4 to the 5.
the 4 to 4s was the same exact shell and ips screen and looked exactly the same so I don't see why this is getting so much hate on the gs4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4
I didn't check out the video, but I agree that it is not a minor upgrade. I also don't think the 4 to 4S was a minor upgrade since everything aside from the outside was changed. IMO, the 2 sided glass is a great design...I felt the same way about the nexus 4. I actually would be excited if apple went back to it
watch the video and see what your average joe thinks about the iphone 5 it basically proves my point.They are given an iphone 4s telling them its the 5 and the average joe had no clue what that they were looking at the old phone.
-PPI: You've got me there. Verdict The GS3 > GS4 is a larger jump.
-Screen Size/Resolution: 4S > 5 = +0.5" and change in aspect ratio, added 176 pixels vertically. The 5 also incorporated a brand new display design to increase the overall color accuracy and brightness of the display. GS3 > GS4 = +0.19" with same aspect ratio, adding 640x360 pixels. Verdict Given the aspect ratio change and the overall increase in size, despite the increased resolution (of which the actual effect is unknown and will likely be minimal), I'd still say the 4S>5 was a larger jump.
-Battery life: the sizes may differ from the GS3 to the GS4, but given the added resolution, the overall battery life will likely be the same. Verdict: Push.
-CPU/GPU: regardless of the "generations" or how many cores the GS4 will have, benchmarks should be the determining factor - how much added speed will the GS4's new SoC provide. The iPhone 5's A6 is almost 3X faster than the iPhone 4S's A5. Will we be able to say the same about the GS4? Verdict: Unknown.
-RAM: The iPhone 5 doubled the iPhone 4S from 512MB to 1GB. The GS3 comes in versions with both 1GB and 2GB while the GS4 is rumored to have 2GB. Verdict: Push.
-Camera: The iPhone 5 introduced a higher resolution front-facing camera, but generally left the back camera unchanged from the 4S. The GS4 is rumored to sport a higher MP camera than the GS3. Verdict: GS3 > GS4 is bigger upgrade.
Data connectivity: The iPhone 5 introduced LTE to the iPhone line. The GS4 will likely keep the same data connections (both data and wifi). Verdict: 4S > 5 a bigger upgrade.
-Overall design of the phone: The iPhone 5, while keeping the same general rounded-rectangle body, is thinner, lighter and taller than the iPhone 4S. It is made out of a different material, the antenna design is different, there is a different connection, headphone jack on the bottom and different speaker grills. The GS4's design is still unknown, though based on leaks it is rumored to look relatively the same as the GS3 except for a *slight* increase in size. Same materials, same connections..... Verdict: iPhone 4S > 5 a bigger upgrade.
Conclusion: It still remains to be seen, but given the leaks it seems one would be hard pressed to tell the GS3 and GS4 apart, save for the slight screen size difference. Based on my above observations, the iPhone 4S > 5 was a bigger overall upgrade than the GS3 to GS4.....though I wouldn't agree its a simple "S" upgrade.
the gs3 and gs4 share a true HD 16:9 aspect ratio and the iphone 5 is not even a hd screen,it can't natively play hd 720p video and has to be scaled down,I don't know how you can sit there and give the nod to the iphone on aspect and screen resolution.
*sigh* this a bit....do you also think the Bachelor is "real" too?
Kimmel also did it with the SB....people were asked how they liked the SB (a week before it was actually on).....people are stupid/the clip is edited to show only the idiots who don't want to look stupid on TV or truly have no idea what they are talking about.....its not a simple sample of the population.....
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The argument is about change between the two lines....not which one is "better".....
Not to mention the fact that the term "HD" isn't an objective way to measure display quality anyway....my "less than 720p" iPhone 5 looks MUCH better than my "720p" flat screen TV.....these are arbitrary measures of "high definition" based on the resolution of much larger screens AND the distance we normally watch them at.....
"720p and 1080p HD" have ZERO meaning when it comes to smartphones.....its all marketing. There is more behind the term "retina" to be quite honest.
ok I see so because the gs3 was already a true 16:9 hd screen and the 4s to 5 still didn't get a hd screen it somehow is a better upgrade over going from a 4.8 720p to a 4.99 1080p screen and I knew you were going to say that about the video as its the only rebuttle you guys have.
I had a razm m for a few weeks and everyone thought I had an iphone 5 when they saw it and this one stupid chick even thought it still was a 5 when she was using it after I messed with her saying its the new iphone.
I was only trying to prove my point that the average joe has no clue!
and the hd aspect has a lot to do with it as when I dl 720p movie rips off bit torrent it plays the movie in its original aspect and format not some scaled down size to fit the odd aspect ration the iphones use,now with 1080p it will natively play blue ray rips in full hd wide screen.
Yes....it is a BIGGER upgrade....I never said one was BETTER than the other.....
Jesus....read and think before you go all ragey on me.
The few people in those gag videos are not representative of "the average joe".....they are the bottom of the bell curve....the average joe are people like my mom, while she doesn't care about the iPhone 5 changes, she would be able to tell them apart.
you said at the end about the res and aspect ratio you still gave the 4s a better upgrade?
this is what you wrote
Verdict Given the aspect ratio change and the overall increase in size, despite the increased resolution (of which the actual effect is unknown and will likely be minimal), I'd still say the 4S>5 was a larger jump.
I'm sorry, but where in that phrase (or anywhere else) is the word "BETTER". I'm not denying I said it was a BIGGER or LARGER jump....the term "better" never entered the conversation.....
Plus, thought we haven't seen the GS4 yet, I'd be willing to bet if you put the 4S and 5 side-by-side, you'd notice a display quality difference greater than putting the GS3 and GS4 side-by-side.....the change in display tech/process from the 4S to 5 created a MUCH more color accurate and bright display. Having used both I can easily tell.
The jury is still out whether moving into "Super Retina" (for lack of a better term) screens really benefits the user as the eye can't detect individual pixels anyway at those ppis.
ok let me rephrase it because you are getting so technical its not even funny.
How do you give the verdict to the 4s upgrade when in fact the you even admit the gs3 and 4 are better jump or larger jump in the aspect ratio and screen res?
we will have to wait to see what the 5s looks like,will the people scream when its the same screen and shell with better cpu?
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Galaxy s III s.
I like the sound of it and it's pretty much an accurate description.
Spec bump is great though, I'd take it
I like the sound of it and it's pretty much an accurate description.
Spec bump is great though, I'd take it
Ok....I tried to wade through the broken sentences and poor grammar....let me see if I got this right.....
I came to the conclusion that the 4S > 5 was a BIGGER jump than the GS3 > GS4 based on ALL the factors listed.
I came to the conclusion specifically that the jump in display quality/tech from the 4S > 5 was bigger than the GS3 > GS4 because of the size increase, aspect ratio change and display tech/process change which allowed for a screen with the same ppi to be noticeably brighter and more color accurate. At this point, it remains to be seen whether a normal person can even tell a difference between 720p and 1080p on a screen, quality-wise. And aside from the slight size increase, there really isn't anything else different - at least that I've read. I suppose they are probably doing away with the AWFUL pentile AMOLED for something similar to the Note 2...
Still stand by my original statement. Which was neither technical, nor convoluted. You simply chose to say I was making a statement on which was "better" - a case I never tried to make.
I really hope they give out info regarding the S4 Mini too.
Options options options!
They may even refresh the S3:
"The new Galaxy S3 version will reportedly feature a better display, wireless charging and a larger 2400mAh battery. The news comes from Russian mobile blogger Eldar Murtazin, famous for his previous leaks related to various mobile products, although he’s not always right in his predictions."
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s3-refresh-galaxy-s4-mini-169412/
Options options options!
They may even refresh the S3:
"The new Galaxy S3 version will reportedly feature a better display, wireless charging and a larger 2400mAh battery. The news comes from Russian mobile blogger Eldar Murtazin, famous for his previous leaks related to various mobile products, although he’s not always right in his predictions."
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s3-refresh-galaxy-s4-mini-169412/
I won't disagree that some people were upset with making the phone taller but not wider. But I saw plenty of comments here, on tech sites, on twitter and Facebook, etc. complaining that the 5 looked just like the 4S and wondering what Jony Ive had been doing for the past year. I think that's silly as design is about a lot more than aesthetics.
I agree with this statement 100%. Samsung has become a complete beast in the electronics space. I remember a few years ago Samsung was considered junk next to Sony. Now Sony has completely fallen off. Sucks because I was a huge Sony fan.
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My iPhone5 has better RF performance than any of my various Sammy devices.
If HTC has no problem using aluminum in their phones, Sammy shouldn't.
I think the best mix is what Motorola does. The carbon fiber, kevlar construction of the Droid RAZR series.
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I've owned the S2, S2 Skyrocket, and S3.
The major differences between the S2 and S3 are faster internals, larger screen, different construction, better battery life, and newer software. This is almost identical to the 4S -> 5 progression with a new design, new internals, larger screen, etc. Yet the S3 is hailed as the best thing since sliced bread, but the iPhone5 gets trashed for being "boring"