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F123D

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Basically a Galaxy S3S

Pot meet Kettle.

Not quite, but nice try.

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Once the S4 is released, lets put them side by side with an S3 and I can guarantee you can pick out which is which.
 

roxxette

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Aug 9, 2011
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Whats the big deal if samaung makes a "S" update ? They have great momentum at the moment and the s3 housing is easy on the eye, no reason to change it; i feel this is a good move from samsung.
 

SomeDudeAsking

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Whats the big deal if samaung makes a "S" update ? They have great momentum at the moment and the s3 housing is easy on the eye, no reason to change it; i feel this is a good move from samsung.

It's pretty much a confirmed rumor that Samsung will sell the new Galaxy S4 alongside an updated version of the Galaxy S3 with improved specs like Samsung has done for the Galaxy S2.

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Not quite, but nice try.

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Once the S4 is released, lets put them side by side with an S3 and I can guarantee you can pick out which is which.

No, no, no! The iPhone 4S is the one on the LEFT!
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
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a better place
A quad core from an eight core A15 is quite a difference if you ask me.

We'll see what happens tomorrow I guess.

Yes but it's not really eight cores its 4+4. At any given time only 4 cores are running. Never 8. Your just falling for semantics and the basic assumption 8 is better than 4

If the Qualcomm version gets 23-24k in AnTuTu and the Exynos gets 25k then the difference isn't exponential.

In fact I suspect in real world usage you would not be able to tell the difference between the two. In fact if Samsung have gone down this path, then I'm confident that they believe that isn't any real difference in user experience either and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference with phones side by side.


I imagine all the 8 core thing is, is posturing. We've got 8 cores so people think it must be twice as good as a quad core or 4 x as good as a dual core. When clearly that's not really the case at all, but from marketing it is a boon regardless.


Remember the HTC One's quad snapdragon 600 1.7ghz, gets almost identical AnTuTu benchmark at 24-25k as the Exynos 5 models octo (4+4) 1.8ghz. Clearly then Octo isn't delivering huge gains over traditional quad because it isn't really octo ...
 

mib1800

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Yes but it's not really eight cores its 4+4. At any given time only 4 cores are running. Never 8. Your just falling for semantics and the basic assumption 8 is better than 4

If the Qualcomm version gets 23-24k in AnTuTu and the Exynos gets 25k then the difference isn't exponential.

In fact I suspect in real world usage you would not be able to tell the difference between the two. In fact if Samsung have gone down this path, then I'm confident that they believe that isn't any real difference in user experience either and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference with phones side by side.


I imagine all the 8 core thing is, is posturing. We've got 8 cores so people think it must be twice as good as a quad core or 4 x as good as a dual core. When clearly that's not really the case at all, but from marketing it is a boon regardless.


Remember the HTC One's quad snapdragon 600 1.7ghz, gets almost identical AnTuTu benchmark at 24-25k as the Exynos 5 models octo (4+4) 1.8ghz. Clearly then Octo isn't delivering huge gains over traditional quad because it isn't really octo ...

Having more cores do not improve benchmark score unless benchmark is designed to run on parallel threads which is unlikely given such synthetic indicators like integer/floating points/read-write RAM etc. Furthermore 2D/3D indicators are done on GPU not CPU. In this case clock speed may be the determining factor.

BUT more cores will give better user-perceptible performance due to more concurrent processing on the cores. The international 4-core S3 feels snappier than the dual-core US version.

I thought the octa-core was designed with 4 cores optimized for power efficiency under normal usage and when performance is needed it will switch to the other 4 cores which are optimized for performance. Samsung said this design gives a better overall balance than varying the clock speed (or turning off cores) on one set of 4-cores only.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
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I thought the octa-core was designed with 4 cores optimized for power efficiency under normal usage and when performance is needed it will switch to the other 4 cores which are optimized for performance. Samsung said this design gives a better overall balance than varying the clock speed (or turning off cores) on one set of 4-cores only.

Yes, that is what we are saying to people who keep saying it's 8 cores (like as if it runs with 8 cores).. When in actuality it only ever runs with 4 cores. Either 4 slower or 4 faster cores. At no point does it run with 8 cores, so calling it 8 core is a little misleading and seems to be there mostly to make it sound bigger than it is.

If Samsung had called it Exynos 5 QuadCore Balance CPU it doesn't sound as deceptively impressive as calling it Exynos 5 8 Core CPU ... Despite being the same thing....
 

daneoni

macrumors G4
Mar 24, 2006
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Not quite, but nice try.

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Once the S4 is released, lets put them side by side with an S3 and I can guarantee you can pick out which is which.

Of course i can (i can also pick out a 4S from a 4 easily). But the average consumer won't easily be able to in either case. Because the overall look is the same.

I never said Apple was any better either but Samsung is almost equally as bad. To me the S4 is an Apple S type release. The S4 and Note II both owe their looks to the S3. Same design and same materials too (textured curved-edged hyper-glazed plastic). Its boring now. Samsung hyped up this thing like it was gonna be the unicorn of smartphones. Yet it isn't...

Which is why i'm going for the HTC One.
 
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nick_elt

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Oct 28, 2011
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any phones coming out with the s4 800? cos that could thrash them all if benchmarks are your thing.
 

The Game 161

macrumors Nehalem
Dec 15, 2010
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3rd May revealed / announced.

29th May on sale in 28 countries.....


Answer = 26 days because 29 - 3 = 26 ;-) :p


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I would assume Samsung will be aiming for early April launch (not good news for HTC who just delayed the One to around the same timeframe)......

Thanks..

Hope carphonewarehouse will have it available to buy sim free on launch day
 

Rogifan

macrumors Penryn
Nov 14, 2011
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Who gives a *%#! if the S4 looks like the S3? Why does a phone's aesthetic look have to change every year?

And yes these leaks look like the S3. Maybe not exact like 4 to 4S, but certainly not a like going from the One X to the One. But if the One X was a great design, why the need to change it? The aluminum unibody design won't make up for the gulf in marking spend between Samsung and HTC. And Samsung knows it.
 
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Oohara

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Of course i can (i can also pick out a 4S from a 4 easily). But the average consumer won't easily be able to in either case. Because the overall look is the same.

I never said Apple was any better either but Samsung is almost equally as bad. To me the S4 is an Apple S type release. The S4 and Note II both owe their looks to the S3. Same design and same materials too (textured curved-edged hyper-glazed plastic). Its boring now. Samsung hyped up this thing like it was gonna be the unicorn of smartphones. Yet it isn't...

Which is why i'm going for the HTC One.
I think the S4 (if this actually is what we're seeing in The Verge's pics) is different enough that people in general will notice. The screen is bigger, the bezel is markedly smaller (just compare the homebutton area) and the shape is rather noticeably tweaked too imo, with less rounded edges at the top and bottom. In my taste the S3 is too "pebble"-shaped and toy looking, but this one I would buy (if I wasn't already hooked on the Note 2 ;)).

More like a 4S ---> 5 upgrade if you ask me.

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MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
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Who gives a *%#! if the S4 looks like the S3? Why does a phone's aesthetic look have to change every year?

It doesn't but for those that may have liked to go for the S4 but did not like the S3 aesthetic, it does or will put them off.

I'd have seriously considered it - but hate Samsung's aesthetics generally phone wise (yet I have lots of other samsung products)...

If they had a striking design like the HTC one, i'd have gone for it.


But Samsung know their existing audience (much like Apple know theirs), and it will sell like hot cakes regardless.




more videos


http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/14/...r-leak-with-floating-touch-and-sma/#continued
 

cuzo

macrumors 65816
Sep 23, 2012
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Whats the big deal if samaung makes a "S" update ? They have great momentum at the moment and the s3 housing is easy on the eye, no reason to change it; i feel this is a good move from samsung.

It is a good move by Samsung, if android had the apps and generated the revenue the app store generated I'm sure Sammy would have released the gs4 looking exactly like the gs3 but without the apps Samsung knows it has to make more hardware changes since the main selling point of android is hardware and everything outside of actually apps and buying apps lol

Sammy is smart, I give them that they're trying to put their own apps to appeal more to the masses, once the hardware and tech nerds get back to real life and stop drooling over typical nonsense Sammy knows android has no other real appeal.

Sammy's version of passport and I expect more features to try to differentiate from ugly ass android is what they're pursuing heavily.

Prettying it up and offering a huge screen is what made it sell.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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I have, and no they're not noticeably different.

Once again:

Okay, unless it uses the exact same shell as the S3, it is not an Apple-S-progression.

People calling it an "S-like" upgrade are wrong.

If the leaks and rumors pan out, it's more like a 4S-to-5 upgrade than anything; similar design cues, larger screen, slightly larger device, some repositioning of speakers, etc.

I want to stress that I'm not too thrilled with the leaks so far and that I currently own no Samsung products.

People that are calling this an Galaxy S3S are just flat out wrong. Do they resemble each other? Yes. Much in the same way the iPhone 5 resembles the iPhones 4/4S. But is it like a Apple S-progression? Clearly no.

Doesn't matter if you personally can't discern the difference. Unless the S4 uses the same exact casing and screen size as the S3, it is not an Apple-S progression.

This is an unbelievably easy concept.

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Of course i can (i can also pick out a 4S from a 4 easily). But the average consumer won't easily be able to in either case. Because the overall look is the same.

I never said Apple was any better either but Samsung is almost equally as bad. To me the S4 is an Apple S type release. The S4 and Note II both owe their looks to the S3. Same design and same materials too (textured curved-edged hyper-glazed plastic). Its boring now. Samsung hyped up this thing like it was gonna be the unicorn of smartphones. Yet it isn't...

Which is why i'm going for the HTC One.

I'm not thrilled with the S4 leaks, either. But opinions withstanding, this is not an S-type release. How can it be if it has a larger screen, and uses a different casing, and has some small redesigns (slight, though, they may be)? The S1 and S2 used similar materials. Are they all S-es of each other?

There will be an upgraded S3. That, you could call a Galaxy S3S type progression, if you'd like. It will be the same exact design, same exact casing, but with upgraded internals (sound familiar??).

But the S4 is not, despite your feelings about it (which, incidentally, mirror my own). If you want to compare, it's much closer to a 4S-to-5 progression. Though, as someone else pointed out, it's somewhere in between. What it clearly isn't, though, is an S-type progression.
 

ukbondraider

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It doesn't but for those that may have liked to go for the S4 but did not like the S3 aesthetic, it does or will put them off.

I'd have seriously considered it - but hate Samsung's aesthetics generally phone wise (yet I have lots of other samsung products)...

If they had a striking design like the HTC one, i'd have gone for it.


But Samsung know their existing audience (much like Apple know theirs), and it will sell like hot cakes regardless.




more videos


http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/14/...r-leak-with-floating-touch-and-sma/#continued

Exactly. Reason people dont want the S4 to look loke the S3 is because the S3 is the ugliest phone to date.

At least with the iphone 4 it was the best phone design ever and still is today imo.

Alot of non S3 people want to seriously consider the S4 but they are not being given the opportunity from the start.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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The S4 looks more straight down, without curves, less pebble like. I think this is a good thing... The speakers look significantly better too.

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hot spare

macrumors 6502
Aug 22, 2011
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1] Bigger screen by .2 inch
2] 2.25x more pixels. HD -> Full HD
3] AMOLED -> PHOLED
4] 2x RAM. 1GB -> 2GB
5] Monster upgrade in CPU. Quad A9 -> Quad A15 + Quad A7
6] 3x better GPU. Mali400 -> 544MP3 @ 533Mhz
7] Hover-sensitive touchscreen
8] 13MP Exmor R camera with f2.2 (compared to 8MP f2.6)
9] 802.11ac Wi-Fi
10] 500 mAh bigger battery (2600 mAh battery)
11] Textured body compared to plain design in GS3.

I am already tired...
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
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1] Bigger screen by .2 inch
2] 2.25x more pixels. HD -> Full HD
3] AMOLED -> PHOLED
4] 2x RAM. 1GB -> 2GB
5] Monster upgrade in CPU. Quad A9 -> Quad A15 + Quad A7
6] 3x better GPU. Mali400 -> 544MP3 @ 533Mhz
7] Hover-sensitive touchscreen
8] 13MP Exmor R camera with f2.2 (compared to 8MP f2.6)
9] 802.11ac Wi-Fi
10] 500 mAh bigger battery (2600 mAh battery)
11] Textured body compared to plain design in GS3.

I am already tired...

I wonder if the hover sensitive touch screen will mean the screen is really sensitive to touches. Wonder how that'll play out when typing messages, for example... Will we get accidental "presses" as we type? Hope not.
 

hot spare

macrumors 6502
Aug 22, 2011
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I wonder if the hover sensitive touch screen will mean the screen is really sensitive to touches. Wonder how that'll play out when typing messages, for example... Will we get accidental "presses" as we type? Hope not.

If you have used Note2, you know about Air View or the hover function. In Note 2, you use S-Pen to do that.

In GS4, it's done with fingers.

Here's a demo:

 
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