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MRU

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Will be interesting to see how this bet plays out for Samsung.

At these prices is going squarely against the iPhone 6S Plus. It may work if former Note users but it as well as taking potential 6S customers who think there's not much change from the 6 Plus (Force Touch / 2GB RAM / CPU bump).

I don't doubt that it's a very nice phone but I'd want 64gb and £829 is just too much when I consider the other options and a plummeting resale value.

I think Moto could be in for a good one or two quarters with the Style and Play coming in at 50%+ less.

It's when you put it in perspective of other android space phones. The iPhone may be what Samsung aspires to emulate sales wise and the 'easy' comparison - but it is not Samsung's real competition. That is the plethora of other Android OEMS.

Essentially Samsung has a lovely looking phone but one that is priced at 2 x the cost of a Moto X Style or OnePlus 2 or forthcoming nexus devices etc. From a design / hardware perspective Samsung may have 'excuse the pun', 'the edge' but it doesn't have 200% of an edge.

Indeed the software enhancements the Edge gives are minimal - and of course the overall performance of Samsung hardware is never truly exploited due to the legacy bloat and unoptimised software it still carries under its hood, meaning that 200% increase in cost to the consumer is not in any way shape or form carried over into big tangible increases in end user experiences when compared to devices from other OEMs.

Likewise the forever ongoing onslaught of new Android devices from the myriad of OEM's means resale value of your very expensive device just doesn't hold. Within a few months your device is worth only 55% tops of what you paid for it. That may be ok if your talking a $400 phone, but one costing north of $800 it's a different matter.

There will always be an audience for the top end fancy android handset, but it's a shrinking one. One that is constantly threatened by a rising swell of actually excellent hardware coming out from other OEMs.

I highly suspect the Edge Plus in a mere few weeks will be forgotten about by much of the general public as Apple media and hype machines kick in - hype generated not necessarily by consumers, but by the retail stores and carriers who will all be out pushing the new iPhones big time in advertising and in stores. This leaves the very expensive S6 Edge Plus as lovely as it is in a problematic spot.

It's dramatically undercut by other OEM's coming out and getting press attention in the next couple of weeks and months. It has lost much of what drew a lot of people to Samsung devices for and 'other than its curved edges' comparing it's spec sheets to your average Joe consumer - it doesn't hold much tangible increase in either it's smaller siblings which are being offered discounted heavily on carrier contracts.

In USA and Asia I suspect the Note 5 will be more popular - even if its charms are receding at a global level (assuming lack of demand / waning sales in Europe killed the Note 5 release here) and I suspect it's (S6 Edge Plus) sales won't be stellar in those territories.

Likewise for the android consumer wanting to purchase outright it's too pricy. It's 2x cost just isn't perceivable as a 2x improved end user experience. Indeed were getting to the point where even tying yourself to a two year contract with your carrier your asked to pay out upfront as much as other flagship devices cost off contract.

Finally iPhone users Samsung desperately want to attract are unlikely to jump ship to a more expensive device at and around the same time as a new shiny iPhone launch which carriers and retail stores are going to be pushing heavily up and over the holidays.

I can not see the Edge plus doing very well. I expect next year we will see a push to the S7 being bigger, 5.5" - the 'plus' phased out - and if Note 5 sales disappoint - they have to be lower because they cut out a massive audience - a possible end to the Note line and a more concentrated focus on the S7 line..
 
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Yup. I used to be, and probably still am, one of those who likes the newest shiny toy but I gotta draw the line somewhere. Nearing four figures certainly makes me stop and think.

Even waiting a few months saves a lot from more supply, competitors offering better deals, and the threat of the next new shiny (sometimes from the same company) such is the rapid cycle we're in.
 
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MRU

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Yup. I used to be, and probably still am, one of those who likes the newest shiny toy but I gotta draw the line somewhere. Nearing four figures certainly makes me stop and think.

Even waiting a few months saves a lot from more supply, competitors offering better deals, and the threat of the next new shiny (sometimes from the same company) such is the rapid cycle we're in.

Yep. We're enthusiasts here - were not your average consumer - I spent more than I care to think about on Samsung devices in last 12 months ( much greater than $2500. )

But even I can not in all faith justify upgrading when the my current Samsung device has lost €450 of its €950 original RRP in a matter of 12 weeks - resale wise. A combination of Samsung price dropping because of flagging sales and lack of average consumer wanting to spend significant € on Android handsets has resulted in a great resale market for buyers - but a terrible one for anyone selling.
 
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The Game 161

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I think resale value has played a factor in going back iphone again. Cost wise it's just too much to upgrade to the best Samsung flagship each year. Selling is quite pointless when you can't even get half of what you bought the device for
 
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nickchallis92

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When I got my Galaxy S3 on contract in 2011 I paid £34/m for unlimited data

When I got my Galaxy Note 3 on contract in 2013 I paid £41/m for unlimited data.

Now I'm looking at the Galaxy S6 Edge Plus in 2015 and they want £56/m for unlimited data.

Thing is, I have no choice but to go with three as they are the only network that have unlimited data. Can't any other network stick their finger out and actually be competitive?
 

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When I got my Galaxy S3 on contract in 2011 I paid £34/m for unlimited data

When I got my Galaxy Note 3 on contract in 2013 I paid £41/m for unlimited data.

Now I'm looking at the Galaxy S6 Edge Plus in 2015 and they want £56/m for unlimited data.

Thing is, I have no choice but to go with three as they are the only network that have unlimited data. Can't any other network stick their finger out and actually be competitive?

At least you have more than 2 networks in the UK. Here we had quite a few but Three bought O2 and other than Vodafone the other ones like Tesco, Meteor all just piggyback on Three's network. So essentially we have Three & Vodafone networks ...
 

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When I got my Galaxy S3 on contract in 2011 I paid £34/m for unlimited data

When I got my Galaxy Note 3 on contract in 2013 I paid £41/m for unlimited data.

Now I'm looking at the Galaxy S6 Edge Plus in 2015 and they want £56/m for unlimited data.

Thing is, I have no choice but to go with three as they are the only network that have unlimited data. Can't any other network stick their finger out and actually be competitive?

32gb or 64gb?

£56pm is rip off. No one should be paying more than £17 pm sim only for unlimited data as this is what Three charge I believe for their unlimited sim only contract. That means you are paying £39pm x 24 for the device which is way over the top especially as you are committing to two years.

Why not buy the 32gb phone outright from O2 refresh (read about refresh) for £530, unlock then just buy a sim only contract from three. Much cheaper than your current offer although still expensive in my opinion.

I personally will not pay more than £15pm for unlimited data sim only. Therefore the sort of offer I am waiting for is around £30pm, 10gb+ data, with zero upfront (64gb). I paid much less than this for my Note 4, 1 month after release. People who pay standard prices will always get screwed. Retention offers are the only way to buy phones nowaday.

I miss the days when the carrier actually subsidises your phone because you commit to a 12m contract. Nowadays they charge you more than the RRP when you commit to a longer 24m contract. Crazy....
 
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32gb or 64gb?

£56pm is rip off. No one should be paying more than £17 pm sim only for unlimited data as this is what Three charge I believe for their unlimited sim only contract. That means you are paying £39pm x 24 for the device which is way over the top especially as you are committing to two years.

Why not buy the 32gb phone outright from O2 refresh (read about refresh) for £530, unlock then just buy a sim only contract from three. Much cheaper than your current offer although still expensive in my opinion.

I personally will not pay more than £15pm for unlimited data sim only. Therefore the sort of offer I am waiting for is around £30pm, 10gb+ data, with zero upfront (64gb). I paid much less than this for my Note 4, 1 month after release. People who pay standard prices will always get screwed. Retention offers are the only way to buy phones nowaday.

I miss the days when the carrier actually subsidises your phone because you commit to a 12m contract. Nowadays they charge you more than the RRP when you commit to a longer 24m contract. Crazy....

64GB. £32GB is £3 cheaper
 

spriter

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32gb or 64gb?

£56pm is rip off. No one should be paying more than £17 pm sim only for unlimited data as this is what Three charge I believe for their unlimited sim only contract. That means you are paying £39pm x 24 for the device which is way over the top especially as you are committing to two years.

Why not buy the 32gb phone outright from O2 refresh (read about refresh) for £530, unlock then just buy a sim only contract from three. Much cheaper than your current offer although still expensive in my opinion.

I personally will not pay more than £15pm for unlimited data sim only. Therefore the sort of offer I am waiting for is around £30pm, 10gb+ data, with zero upfront (64gb). I paid much less than this for my Note 4, 1 month after release. People who pay standard prices will always get screwed. Retention offers are the only way to buy phones nowaday.

I miss the days when the carrier actually subsidises your phone because you commit to a 12m contract. Nowadays they charge you more than the RRP when you commit to a longer 24m contract. Crazy....

Contracts have gone crazy. I understand subsidies but feel like they're just charging high interest for what is effectively a 2-year loan.

£56/m is nuts. In six months there'll be a better contract for the same phone for under £30. Samsung's (and others) relentless update cycle foreshortens the value significantly.
 

spinedoc77

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It's when you put it in perspective of other android space phones. The iPhone may be what Samsung aspires to emulate sales wise and the 'easy' comparison - but it is not Samsung's real competition. That is the plethora of other Android OEMS.

Essentially Samsung has a lovely looking phone but one that is priced at 2 x the cost of a Moto X Style or OnePlus 2 or forthcoming nexus devices etc. From a design / hardware perspective Samsung may have 'excuse the pun', 'the edge' but it doesn't have 200% of an edge.

Indeed the software enhancements the Edge gives are minimal - and of course the overall performance of Samsung hardware is never truly exploited due to the legacy bloat and unoptimised software it still carries under its hood, meaning that 200% increase in cost to the consumer is not in any way shape or form carried over into big tangible increases in end user experiences when compared to devices from other OEMs.

Likewise the forever ongoing onslaught of new Android devices from the myriad of OEM's means resale value of your very expensive device just doesn't hold. Within a few months your device is worth only 55% tops of what you paid for it. That may be ok if your talking a $400 phone, but one costing north of $800 it's a different matter.

There will always be an audience for the top end fancy android handset, but it's a shrinking one. One that is constantly threatened by a rising swell of actually excellent hardware coming out from other OEMs.

I highly suspect the Edge Plus in a mere few weeks will be forgotten about by much of the general public as Apple media and hype machines kick in - hype generated not necessarily by consumers, but by the retail stores and carriers who will all be out pushing the new iPhones big time in advertising and in stores. This leaves the very expensive S6 Edge Plus as lovely as it is in a problematic spot.

It's dramatically undercut by other OEM's coming out and getting press attention in the next couple of weeks and months. It has lost much of what drew a lot of people to Samsung devices for and 'other than its curved edges' comparing it's spec sheets to your average Joe consumer - it doesn't hold much tangible increase in either it's smaller siblings which are being offered discounted heavily on carrier contracts.

In USA and Asia I suspect the Note 5 will be more popular - even if its charms are receding at a global level (assuming lack of demand / waning sales in Europe killed the Note 5 release here) and I suspect it's (S6 Edge Plus) sales won't be stellar in those territories.

Likewise for the android consumer wanting to purchase outright it's too pricy. It's 2x cost just isn't perceivable as a 2x improved end user experience. Indeed were getting to the point where even tying yourself to a two year contract with your carrier your asked to pay out upfront as much as other flagship devices cost off contract.

Finally iPhone users Samsung desperately want to attract are unlikely to jump ship to a more expensive device at and around the same time as a new shiny iPhone launch which carriers and retail stores are going to be pushing heavily up and over the holidays.

I can not see the Edge plus doing very well. I expect next year we will see a push to the S7 being bigger, 5.5" - the 'plus' phased out - and if Note 5 sales disappoint - they have to be lower because they cut out a massive audience - a possible end to the Note line and a more concentrated focus on the S7 line..


IMO it's overpriced so badly that it can't help but tank, and tank badly. I'm in love with it personally, and even though I can afford it I'm not going to spend $900+ on it, hell no. It will be available on Swappa for $600 in 2 or 3 months and then I'll grab one. With the MotoX being such an awesome phone for what almost a third the price you really have to want something for the aesthetics to spend the money.

I've been quite happy with my iPhone 6 plus the past couple of days, but man I never thought the iPhone would feel clunky to me, but after fondling the edge plus it does.
 
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The Game 161

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Pick up Samsung's new contender on Three and you’re looking at minimum outlay of £53 per month and an upfront fee of £99, which includes all-you-can-eat 4G data, minutes and texts.
EE is offering the Galaxy S6 Edge Plus 32GB edition on a range of its standard 4G EE tariffs, as well as on 4G EE Extra contracts which include the carrier’s double-speed mobile internet service.

Opt for 4G EE tariffs and prices start from £46.99 per month, plus £119.99 upfront. That gets you 5GB of data per month, as well as unlimited texts and minutes.

Go with the costlier 4G EE Extra option and you’re looking at a minimum outlay of £49.99 per month and £99.99 upfront. This includes 10GB data, unlimited mins & texts, as well as the sweetener of inclusive roaming texts and minutes in overseas locations.

http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/news...6_edge_plus_now_on_pre_order_on_ee_and_three/
 

The Game 161

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Well at least that's one bit of good news .... Hopefully it marks a change in Samsung's attitude to Touchwiz UI updates for existing devices ...
Surprised they did this

Thought they would keep those features to make people upgrade to the edge plus

Good news though
 
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nickchallis92

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On 3 though, you can use data abroad for no extra cost too. All my mates are on 3, I can stream all the Sky Sports I want without having to worry. EE might be cheaper but I don't want to be watching my data allowance!
 

The Game 161

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On 3 though, you can use data abroad for no extra cost too. All my mates are on 3, I can stream all the Sky Sports I want without having to worry. EE might be cheaper but I don't want to be watching my data allowance!
Yep

I'm on three:)

went spain in july and loved the free data...I got a text from three stating I saved £460 with the no extra cost...the bill would of been a bomb otherwise
 

The Game 161

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£550 S6 edge plus 64GB on clove.co.uk

£624 for 128GB


Thats very reasonable. If I could trade my S6 edge for the edge plus I would.

I could sell my S6 edge for £325 so would only need to pay £220 odd for the plus. Not alot for tech geeks like myself. Dunno wouldn't do it for a few months though if i did it. Doubt I will but tempting.

If I was to have spare to the 6S plus I rather it be a fellow big phone
 
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MRU

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£550 S6 edge plus 64GB on clove.co.uk

£624 for 128GB


Thats very reasonable. If I could trade my S6 edge for the edge plus I would.

I could sell my S6 edge for £325 so would only need to pay £220 odd for the plus. Not alot for tech geeks like myself. Dunno wouldn't do it for a few months though if i did it. Doubt I will but tempting.

If I was to have spare to the 6S plus I rather it be a fellow big phone

You have forgotten VAT. It's £550 excluding VAT - so its actually £680 including VAT ... Sorry to burst the bubble matey. :(

Plus £17 postage. So if you sold yours at £325 you would still need to find £375 for the Plus.

Clove always display price without Vat and then under it in smaller text the real price ;) very cheeky.
 

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You have forgotten VAT. It's £550 excluding VAT - so its actually £680 including VAT ... Sorry to burst the bubble matey. :(

Plus £17 postage. So if you sold yours at £325 you would still need to find £375 for the Plus.

Clove always display price without Vat and then under it in smaller text the real price ;) very cheeky.
they have put it by it's side

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    • Ex VAT£458.00
    • Inc VAT £549.60
knowing clove they always change their prices anyway
 

spinedoc77

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Any American buyers here? Anyone do the Best Buy smartphone trade in for $200? I'm wondering which cheapie phone I can buy from them to trade in.
 
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