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Because like all the blog sites and super intelligent journalists that they are - the source is one XDA user who posted a two line post "apps can be disabled or uninstalled" and the two screenshots.
The journalists then using their highly trained years of research decided to decipher that as
"All apps can be uninstalled".... Because that's what people wanted to hear and if anything it drives traffic to their site; which was in these days of "hits v ad revenue" is seemingly more important than posting truth.
They didn't bother checking it themselves and they didn't even bother posting the important part which XDA member states clearly in his post 'disabled'...
And now I can still see journalists like Gordon Kelly on Forbes misquoting it too and making up an entirly misleading article. I actually just tweeted him with the source and the reality - let's see if they amend their article with Fact or leave it full of utter bull****e in order to avail of traffic whoring.
Seriously journalistic standards are appalling these days.
What's worse people lap it up because they want to believe it's true and so those misleading news items get regurgitated once more in forums where people hold them up as 100% fact.
It's like a game of Chinese whispers - with every retelling getting further and further away from the actual first truth.
Because like all the blog sites and super intelligent journalists that they are - the source is one XDA user who posted a two line post "apps can be disabled or uninstalled" and the two screenshots.
The journalists then using their highly trained years of research decided to decipher that as
"All apps can be uninstalled".... Because that's what people wanted to hear and if anything it drives traffic to their site; which was in these days of "hits v ad revenue" is seemingly more important than posting truth.
They didn't bother checking it themselves and they didn't even bother posting the important part which XDA member states clearly in his post 'disabled'...
And now I can still see journalists like Gordon Kelly on Forbes misquoting it too and making up an entirly misleading article. I actually just tweeted him with the source and the reality - let's see if they amend their article with Fact or leave it full of utter bull****e in order to avail of traffic whoring.
Seriously journalistic standards are appalling these days.
What's worse people lap it up because they want to believe it's true and so those misleading news items get regurgitated once more in forums where people hold them up as 100% fact.
It's like a game of Chinese whispers - with every retelling getting further and further away from the actual first truth.
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um its using the mobile site for BOTH the iphone and samsung s6 when i tried it.
Verge mobile site working fine for me on chrome on my oneplus. No white spaces redrawing or anything.
I've also tried a oneplus. I didn't see it redraw but there's a slight stutter when it scrolls. Didn't like the oneplus at all, not to mention the awful camera. Good for the price though.
I would have bought an iphone 6 last November but these points made me wait for the S6:
1) Battery life Non-removable Li-Po 1810 mAh battery (6.9 Wh)
Come on, my current galaxy SIII has 2100!
2) Screen resolution: 750 x 1334 pixels (~326 ppi pixel density)
Again come on! my current galaxy SIII has 720 x 1280 pixels (~306 ppi pixel density).
Barely an improvement.
3) All those issues people are having with scratched or broken screens. Gorilla glass on the iphone 6? My 2 cents.
I've never owned an iphone mainly because of the bad battery life, i have owned a galaxy I, and III, i guess im gonna continue the tradition with the VI but i'm not that happy:
1) A phone that needs an antivirus just lame.
2) The interface is not super pretty, ios 8 is better.
3) Apple apps are superior and much pretty than the google ones period.
4) Pretty much more of the same for me if i go with a galaxy again.
1) Battery life Non-removable Li-Po 1810 mAh battery (6.9 Wh)
Come on, my current galaxy SIII has 2100!
2) Screen resolution: 750 x 1334 pixels (~326 ppi pixel density)
Again come on! my current galaxy SIII has 720 x 1280 pixels (~306 ppi pixel density).
Barely an improvement.
3) All those issues people are having with scratched or broken screens. Gorilla glass on the iphone 6? My 2 cents.
I've never owned an iphone mainly because of the bad battery life, i have owned a galaxy I, and III, i guess im gonna continue the tradition with the VI but i'm not that happy:
1) A phone that needs an antivirus just lame.
2) The interface is not super pretty, ios 8 is better.
3) Apple apps are superior and much pretty than the google ones period.
4) Pretty much more of the same for me if i go with a galaxy again.
Sounds like you are secretly jonesing for an iphone. I have the 6+ and the Note 4. Both great phones. Can't go wrong with trying both. Get an iphone and keep your S3. Try it for 2 weeks.....return it if you don't like it.
Thanks but i've already had serious issues with an ipad air 2 that pops. Apple only offering refurbished items on exchange, that's not nice.
But who knows maybe i won't buy anything and i'll just wait for the iphone 6s.
If you ask me what i really want right now its the impossible!:
A Samsung Galaxy 6 with IOS8 that would make me really happy. Best of both worlds.
Galaxy S6
OMG looks like my tweeting has been noticed. Gordon Kelly from Forbes has replied directly to my tweet and updated his article with also a statement from Samsung.
https://twitter.com/gordonkelly/status/580161012508323840
https://twitter.com/gordonkelly/status/580171063209959426
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/03/23/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-bloat/
His retraction / amendment was to basically link the mobile syrup response I sent him.
Samsung's response was the typical by the book (politician response) 'reviews/info were on pre-release software and issued whilst under embargo, we fail to comment' ....
Now here's another point that I am delighted proves something I raised in the HTC thread I mentioned in the last few days in regards to how so much stuff had been written about the M9 on pre-release software. I was challenged as to why HTC would allow reviewers to use a device on pre-release software. I mentioned they likely didn't have power of NDA whilst Samsung & Apple do.
SAMSUNG by their own official statement - has an embargo (basically a NDA) which I made the point of in that discussion that they generally (by their position as number 1 android OEM) have the power to enforce - whereas likes of HTC do not. What this also means is that there are definitely some 'information' about the device that is being concealed / held back from us. We will in turn find out once that embargo has been lifted if there really is an effort to debloat. Is Touchwiz still a ram whore. Or if I am right again and as I suspect under the hood Touchwiz is the same. (Which isn't an issue generally as long as the device has the power & ram to power on through it).
One thing is for certain, we are living in a world of marketing spin. Do not believe everything you read even if it's reposted on a dozen blogs. These sites need your traffic, their standards are poor in regards to checking facts and sources. They know people are looking or googling S6 / s6 Edge and their prime motivation for carrying these ill researched news posts is to drive traffic to their site. Put that into the back of your mind whenever you read good / bad or indifferent articles of a device pre-launch. And a general consensus (number of sites posting same thing) doesn't always equate to a truth. I can post at least 20 main news sites that have miss posted this 'all apps can be removed' story.
How many do you think will post retractions ? Very few because their aim wasn't about delivering reality it was about getting traffic. Which is evidently exactly what they achieved.
Furthermore most people went to these sites and read this misquoted articles; very few actually checked out the real XDA posters thread based on post count. The rabbid fanboy responses (comments section) in those news articles from people then declaring SAMSUNG were the new messiahs is stomach churning simply because blind faith seemed to win out over truth, research & objectivity.
Now let me make this clear. I want Samsung to have debloated their OS. I live in hope of it. But I also realise this is the company who has said this before, and never delivered. The company that has historically relied on power and ram to muscle through the detritus, and here we are with the most powerful CPU and Ram in a device. So despite Touchwiz being super fast and I believe it completely that this is so - I am still skeptical on the truth of the debloating. I suspect however that the muscle power of the S6 makes it mostly irrelevant as it does have the power and CPU, however I'm not willing to begin evangelising a second coming without proof. Something clearly even Samsung is hesitant to do given their 'official comment' when raised by a journalist who in turn only felt need to clarify after a certain MRU tackled them about it...
I will get my Emerald Green Edge but I won't be suckered into a world of make believe. My emerald green edge won't be from the land of OZ, and will not have magic powers bestowed upon it by some benevolent deity. It's a phone from Samsung and built on that companies past it will likely come with baggage - that I'm willing to accept due to the sexiness of the beast. Not because I want to indoctrinate myself into some brainwashed cult of mindless believers.
So please people... No more mindless believers. The phone will be great and so they should be as they're premium expensive. Let's just enjoy them foibles and all - don't put them in a holy shrine......
OMG looks like my tweeting has been noticed. Gordon Kelly from Forbes has replied directly to my tweet and updated his article with also a statement from Samsung.
https://twitter.com/gordonkelly/status/580161012508323840
https://twitter.com/gordonkelly/status/580171063209959426
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/03/23/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-bloat/
His retraction / amendment was to basically link the mobile syrup response I sent him.
Samsung's response was the typical by the book (politician response) 'reviews/info were on pre-release software and issued whilst under embargo, we fail to comment' ....
Now here's another point that I am delighted proves something I raised in the HTC thread I mentioned in the last few days in regards to how so much stuff had been written about the M9 on pre-release software. I was challenged as to why HTC would allow reviewers to use a device on pre-release software. I mentioned they likely didn't have power of NDA whilst Samsung & Apple do.
SAMSUNG by their own official statement - has an embargo (basically a NDA) which I made the point of in that discussion that they generally (by their position as number 1 android OEM) have the power to enforce - whereas likes of HTC do not. What this also means is that there are definitely some 'information' about the device that is being concealed / held back from us. We will in turn find out once that embargo has been lifted if there really is an effort to debloat. Is Touchwiz still a ram whore. Or if I am right again and as I suspect under the hood Touchwiz is the same. (Which isn't an issue generally as long as the device has the power & ram to power on through it).
One thing is for certain, we are living in a world of marketing spin. Do not believe everything you read even if it's reposted on a dozen blogs. These sites need your traffic, their standards are poor in regards to checking facts and sources. They know people are looking or googling S6 / s6 Edge and their prime motivation for carrying these ill researched news posts is to drive traffic to their site. Put that into the back of your mind whenever you read good / bad or indifferent articles of a device pre-launch. And a general consensus (number of sites posting same thing) doesn't always equate to a truth. I can post at least 20 main news sites that have miss posted this 'all apps can be removed' story.
How many do you think will post retractions ? Very few because their aim wasn't about delivering reality it was about getting traffic. Which is evidently exactly what they achieved.
Furthermore most people went to these sites and read this misquoted articles; very few actually checked out the real XDA posters thread based on post count. The rabbid fanboy responses (comments section) in those news articles from people then declaring SAMSUNG were the new messiahs is stomach churning simply because blind faith seemed to win out over truth, research & objectivity.
Now let me make this clear. I want Samsung to have debloated their OS. I live in hope of it. But I also realise this is the company who has said this before, and never delivered. The company that has historically relied on power and ram to muscle through the detritus, and here we are with the most powerful CPU and Ram in a device. So despite Touchwiz being super fast and I believe it completely that this is so - I am still skeptical on the truth of the debloating. I suspect however that the muscle power of the S6 makes it mostly irrelevant as it does have the power and CPU, however I'm not willing to begin evangelising a second coming without proof. Something clearly even Samsung is hesitant to do given their 'official comment' when raised by a journalist who in turn only felt need to clarify after a certain MRU tackled them about it...
I will get my Emerald Green Edge but I won't be suckered into a world of make believe. My emerald green edge won't be from the land of OZ, and will not have magic powers bestowed upon it by some benevolent deity. It's a phone from Samsung and built on that companies past it will likely come with baggage - that I'm willing to accept due to the sexiness of the beast. Not because I want to indoctrinate myself into some brainwashed cult of mindless believers.
So please people... No more mindless believers. The phone will be great and so they should be as they're premium expensive. Let's just enjoy them foibles and all - don't put them in a holy shrine......
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I don't think anyone does that here. That stuff is in the iPhone section here on MR. But i think there are a lot of us that are genuinely excited about the new S series and the direction Samsung has taken. Then we are excited to see where this will take with other phone lines like the Note series as well. But lets us have our excitement and enthusiasm for the new shiny toy.
I was more making that point in general rather than specifically here
- most of us regulars here know the score with each other at this stage that we all know were nothing but tech whore junkies - but occasionally there are a few that slip in with that kind of silliness - though thankfully they usually slip away again.But yeah, I was venting my frustration about how the standard of media / blog sites and comments sections and 'some' forums like android central and such.
Grumpy old MRU gives you permission to have fun Jamezr
The cracked whip has been put away for now
I don't think you are grumpy! I always like reading your posts and value your opinion! I know this is something that bothers you so no worries here.I was more making that point in general rather than specifically here
But yeah, I was venting my frustration about how the standard of media / blog sites and comments sections and 'some' forums like android central and such.
Grumpy old MRU's gives you permission to have fun Jamezr
Tell me again why everyone is even making a big fuss over removing the bloatware? If we can disable isn't that good enough? It's out of sight and permanently turned off essentially, no? It'll never run and take up ram or anything.
Or is the concern just the storage space it'll take up even when disabled?
Because if it is just that... I mean every phone does this. Be it iPhone or android devices or Microsoft. Apple has their native apple apps that not everyone uses, as foes google as does Microsoft. No?
Again not seeing what the fuss and obsession is over removing apps. As long as they can be disabled and out of sight I'm satisfied given that some bloat cannot be helped.
Or maybe I'm not getting something...?
Or is the concern just the storage space it'll take up even when disabled?
Because if it is just that... I mean every phone does this. Be it iPhone or android devices or Microsoft. Apple has their native apple apps that not everyone uses, as foes google as does Microsoft. No?
Again not seeing what the fuss and obsession is over removing apps. As long as they can be disabled and out of sight I'm satisfied given that some bloat cannot be helped.
Or maybe I'm not getting something...?
I've said this before. People getting bent out of shape for Samsung "bloat" should get bent or of shape for all boat. I don't use all of Google's services, why can't I remove them? Although, I really like using Samsung's apps like Internet browser, SPlanner, SNote/Action Memo, messaging app, and gallery. The only Google services I use are maps and Gmail. So be it.
WHAT IS BLOATWARE
To me these apps are not major culprits - indeed you can disable them. Indeed because they can be disabled I wouldn't count them as bloat at all.
However here is the real Samsung bloat
Go into application manager and under all and you will se literally 30-40 services running which have no direct application - all of which are using system ram.
Things like Samsung Push, Ant Radio, Samsung Print Services etc...
These can not be disabled without rooting (thus in process voiding warranty).
These are the real bloat ware. These are the detritus that Samsung should be focussing on removing. Sadly people don't see them and don't realise they exist so cause less outcry than those who have a bit more knowledge about Touchwiz such as enthusiasts and Ron makers who have proven time and again that removing all this rubbish under the hood can be done without damaging anything functional on your device.
Which begs the question why is it even there? Answer = Samsung hasn't cleaned it's underwear for the last 7 years and much of the detritus still buried underneath the shiny candy floss exterior is legacy crap from years ago.
This is where and what I want Samsung to debloat. Removing this will reduce system ram usage giving more back to user allowing better fluidity and multitasking. Clean up the legacy redundant services. the real bloatware.
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I hope to get a peek at the S6 on Thursday. Carriers and retailers have to get demos in on Thursday to show them on Friday and I have some connections so maybe.
I doubt I'll get far though with doing any analysis but I like to look at shiny new things!
I doubt I'll get far though with doing any analysis but I like to look at shiny new things!
Double thumbs up for MRU. I dont care about samsung App bloat. I care about samsung always running services bloat. Couldn't have said it any better MRU.
As usual I'm sure we will find out the device runs a reasonable degree smoother when one roots and removes all those services.
As usual I'm sure we will find out the device runs a reasonable degree smoother when one roots and removes all those services.
Vodafone Ireland pricing.
Subsidised pricing here for the S6 starts at 299 on their cheapest monthly tariff for 24 months. This is for the 32gb S6
so comparison and its ok
S6 299 32gb
HTC M9 is 229 32gb
The iPhone 6 299 16GB
iPhone 6+ 399 16gb (499 64gb)
S6 Edge 499 64gb
Edge tops the chart but when you factor in storage size its the same as the iPhone 6+
Subsidised pricing here for the S6 starts at 299 on their cheapest monthly tariff for 24 months. This is for the 32gb S6
so comparison and its ok
S6 299 32gb
HTC M9 is 229 32gb
The iPhone 6 299 16GB
iPhone 6+ 399 16gb (499 64gb)
S6 Edge 499 64gb
Edge tops the chart but when you factor in storage size its the same as the iPhone 6+
And what about carrier bloat? I'm looking at you, AT&T.
And will Best Buy once again change out the packaging like they did on the Note 4 for AT&T?
And will Best Buy once again change out the packaging like they did on the Note 4 for AT&T?
Thats what I live in hope of .... But based on system ram usage the XDA poster with an edge revealed (2gb used after clean boot) suggests no. Not when you consider clean boot of my Moto X 2014 and its system usage is at 250mb.
But it seems all 'trim down touchwiz' has actually meant is that many of the older programmes such as ChatON and WatchON are no longer installed by default - however as these programmes are dead now (samsung retired them anyway) it really means little.
Yes there are a lot less system apps than what appeared pre-installed on the S4/S5 - but as these apps are retired 'not installing them' was never in question.
So yeah - basically it's looking until someone who looks seriously beneath the skin - that 'debloated' means not much different to the Galaxy Alpha I had which came with none of that preloaded Samsung stuff either. Yet all the legacy services are still there underneath regardless.
So yeah. That's my scepticism. It's a good news article to get you excited - without actually anything 'news' worthy therein. It paints a great picture - but one that hasn't actually changed anything about the status quo. Its reporting how things are now as new - and sadly it is appearing like underneath the guff there is nothing new to see here.
Doesn't stop the phone being fab ... but just take measure of salt with every article please
carrier bloat is the same,when att and tmobile devices are benchmarked separately.. you know..
too many cooks in the kitchen
too many cooks in the kitchen