As usual I'm sure we will find out the device runs a reasonable degree smoother when one roots and removes all those services.
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MRU, this is what you can do: Go try a demo unit when you can.
After my exam on Friday, I'll drive to my nearest Best Buy and try out the Edge and S6 regular. I think I am going for a 32 GB model since the 64 GB is at least $800 + tax. I am thinking about selling my new Note 4 unlocked + my old Galaxy gear off to cover the cost of the S6 32 GB model.
What I am looking for: RAM /System Usage, battery life (if I can see it, but could be tough), playing with the themes, see which apps could be disabled, the hardware feel, the quirks they advertised during the unveiling (camera double tap), see if there is anything linked to Samsung Pay, test out intense games, see the UI differences, etc.
I think I am sold on the idea of getting rid of my Note 4 nevertheless since I am leaning towards the 6+ if I don't like the S6.
After my exam on Friday, I'll drive to my nearest Best Buy and try out the Edge and S6 regular. I think I am going for a 32 GB model since the 64 GB is at least $800 + tax. I am thinking about selling my new Note 4 unlocked + my old Galaxy gear off to cover the cost of the S6 32 GB model.
What I am looking for: RAM /System Usage, battery life (if I can see it, but could be tough), playing with the themes, see which apps could be disabled, the hardware feel, the quirks they advertised during the unveiling (camera double tap), see if there is anything linked to Samsung Pay, test out intense games, see the UI differences, etc.
I think I am sold on the idea of getting rid of my Note 4 nevertheless since I am leaning towards the 6+ if I don't like the S6.
Shouldn't things like air gesture not being on the S6 help with performance? Even if it was disabled and one didn't use it on prior devices, wouldn't it still hurt performance somewhat?
I have a friend who works in the carphonewarehouse concession of Harvey Norman here and they will let me know when they get a sample in. All the other stores here only carry fake plastic mockup handsets.
When it comes in I'll go check it out.
However the liklihood is - I'll end up with an edge before they are generally available in store anyway.
I'm not worried that the S6 & Edge have the horsepower to muscle through the rubbish if its still there - and I'm sure they are smooth as silk in operation. But I do suspect that it is the same story of muscle power doing the work rather than any contained effort to reel in touchwiz's dirty knickers.
My objection is less to do with Samsung - than all the bogus articles. More reason than ever that I must get my site up and running for news and reviews (thus encouraging me to buy even more phones
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Air gesture isn't there on the Note 4 is it ? Still hasn't reduced the heavy system overhead of touchwiz on it.
I have a friend who works in the carphonewarehouse concession of Harvey Norman here and they will let me know when they get a sample in. All the other stores here only carry fake plastic mockup handsets.
When it comes in I'll go check it out.
However the liklihood is - I'll end up with an edge before they are generally available in store anyway.
I'm not worried that the S6 & Edge have the horsepower to muscle through the rubbish if its still there - and I'm sure they are smooth as silk in operation. But I do suspect that it is the same story of muscle power doing the work rather than any contained effort to reel in touchwiz's dirty knickers.
My objection is less to do with Samsung - than all the bogus articles. More reason than ever that I must get my site up and running for news and reviews (thus encouraging me to buy even more phones
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Air gesture isn't there on the Note 4 is it ? Still hasn't reduced the heavy system overhead of touchwiz on it.
Samsung truly debloating will take a generation or two more imo.
So they're there but are they doing anything? For example, just from your list, Samsung Print Service -- I imagine it's just "idle" so to speak and doing nothing until you actually need to print something? Would this be true?
If they're all there, but not really doing anything until you're actually putting them to use, are they really detrimental and hogging memory or eating battery, etc.?
Cause I think I notice things happening too on my OnePlus, like Google Play Services, or random things like CM Logger (what the heck is that?), or "QcrilMsgTunnelService" (what???) and other miscellaneous things always sort of running in my "Used" memory. But they don't seem that detrimental or anything....
Thanks btw for helping me understand this. My questions are in no way a challenge. Since TW is new to me, I just don't fully grasp what's going on.
Galaxy S6
No it's using system ram regardless of being used or not. The device caches the system ram for it ready to use - meaning it's using it regardless as it's been allocated to it. And there are literally dozens and dozens of these type of services in there.
Here is a list of them
Google Partner SetUp
badge Provider
VRsetupWizardStub
CapabilityManager Service
ShootingModeProvider
Tap & Pay
car Mode
Quick Connect
SecurityManager Service
Context Service
Device Test
3D Tour viewer
active Applications
All share fileshare service
ant hall service
Ant hall radio
Audio connection service
Beacon manager
Beaming service
Bluetooth test
CarMode Remote
Cloud Agent
PageBuddyNotice
De.Pizza.lib
Elm Agebt
Gear VR Service
gear VRShell
Key guard Wallpaper updator
Market Feedback Agent
Mobile Peint
mobile Tracker
MobilePrintSvc
movilePrintSvc-backend
OMACP
Perso
PopUI Reciever
post-t-promo
Private mode service
Proxy Handler
Quick Connect interaction service
RilNotifier
Samsung Content Agent
Samsung Mirror Link
Tags
TCPdumpservice
To name just a few
No it's using system ram regardless of being used or not. The device caches the system ram for it ready to use - meaning it's using it regardless as it's been allocated to it. And there are literally dozens and dozens of these type of services in there.
Here is a list of them
Google Partner SetUp
badge Provider
VRsetupWizardStub
CapabilityManager Service
ShootingModeProvider
Tap & Pay
car Mode
Quick Connect
SecurityManager Service
Context Service
Device Test
3D Tour viewer
active Applications
All share fileshare service
ant hall service
Ant hall radio
Audio connection service
Beacon manager
Beaming service
Bluetooth test
CarMode Remote
Cloud Agent
PageBuddyNotice
De.Pizza.lib
Elm Agebt
Gear VR Service
gear VRShell
Key guard Wallpaper updator
Market Feedback Agent
Mobile Peint
mobile Tracker
MobilePrintSvc
movilePrintSvc-backend
OMACP
Perso
PopUI Reciever
post-t-promo
Private mode service
Proxy Handler
Quick Connect interaction service
RilNotifier
Samsung Content Agent
Samsung Mirror Link
Tags
TCPdumpservice
To name just a few
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At the end of the day, if we truly want bloatware gone, a country's legislative branch has to outlaw it like South Korea did. I mean there are ton of other issues, but if you really want no bloatware, then lobby your representatives. I love Samsung's redundancy nevertheless with like 3 apps for the same function. Even the Nexus 6 has bloat on it. Same with iOS, so it is not going away anytime soon. Disabling is sufficient enough for me because I cannot micromanage RAM to the nearest MB.
you cant disable the services without root, but I hear you ^
some of the items on MRUs list above are on stock android, which has bloat too like you said
I would just prefer my bloat came from one entity, not google, samsung & the carrier one company's bloat is bound to conflict with another's bloat - which IMO is the main issue with samsung's troubled updates lately. Note4 lolipop problems, seems like OTA's are always being delayed/ pulled back.
I know stock android has had its fair share of problems with lollipop too
some of the items on MRUs list above are on stock android, which has bloat too like you said
I would just prefer my bloat came from one entity, not google, samsung & the carrier
one company's bloat is bound to conflict with another's bloat - which IMO is the main issue with samsung's troubled updates lately. Note4 lolipop problems, seems like OTA's are always being delayed/ pulled back. I know stock android has had its fair share of problems with lollipop too
Is it that Android lets you see and view the services running in the background? Are some of these....or similar function services running on just about every OEM phone and mobile OS?
Wow didn't realize all the bloat ware on newer Samsung devices. Every phone has some even iPhone but is it that much I don't think so. Especially good since carrier bloat ware cannot be put on iPhones.
I think the kicker is that u can remove them but you'll void your warranty by rooting is this correct? I know on iPhone jb technically voids warranty but u can just restore and it's good to go.
I think the kicker is that u can remove them but you'll void your warranty by rooting is this correct? I know on iPhone jb technically voids warranty but u can just restore and it's good to go.
Yea I would imagine something like iOS has hidden processes serving similar functions, but running on 1gb ram, obviously it is really trim
jailbroken phones can run 'top' to see running processes, I think devs can too when connected to their mac?
samsung really need 2gb ram for the system though? ( if that xda comment reporting 1gb ram free after booting is true, judging by past experience ~600mb of the 2gb used is probably google apps) full version x64 windows doesnt even use that much
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You could root as well, but Samsung has Knox. It depends on the company if they check. Idk about T-Mobile, but I do know that they just check the phone for physical damage and liquid damage. I doubt the warehouse employee will know to check for 1x1 or 0x1 on Knox.
That's how I feel. As long as the device jeeps running well and smoothly and whatnot, I'm happy. I don't need to nor do I want to micromanage my ram usage.
Yo take a page from apples book, just work. I'll be happy if it just stays out of the way until needed. That's all I can ask.
Most reviews say the new touch wiz with lollipop accomplished this, so I'm personally not worried about this bloat issue.
You could do that before on a samsung device too, but then they introduced Knox - first as software trigger only - that was soon bypassed by app 'triangle away' and then they went and made the knox flag a hardware trigger meaning you can't reset it once tripped.
I suspect that is the case. IOS will not let you see everything that is running under the hood. Not sure about WP. But at some point Android is going to have to be refined to the level IOS.
But on another note.....we would all be here complaining if the service that are running in the background took a long time to open. So they precache it running in the background to make it faster.
What the heck is Knox? Is it like iTunes for Samsung devices? I sincerely hope not. Does that mean Samsung devices must be updated via Knox instead of ota?
Yes the Nexus 6 does but it is how memory is managed.
My Nexus 6 currently has 2.4gb free memory. When I had the Note 4, I never saw 2gb free.
yep thats what the 'knox enviroment' does.... but they added the hardware trigger and the threat of 'consumer warranty void' once tripped to also deter folks rom flashing and running custom kernels at risk of bricking their hardware - not just for enterprise.
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Knox is a secure mode you can switch the phone into to run enterprises software in a secure environment.
However they also added a hardware trigger - that if you root or flash custom roms is triggered and you can no longer run this secure environment.
They also legally tied your consumer 'hardware' warranty to this trigger and declared your warranty would be void if you trip the knox flag.
When you setup your device for first time one of the ticks you have to tick to progress is you accepting this knox hardware warranty void amongst other terms and conditions.
that move really confused me. I guess they were afraid people would root their corporate device and use triangle away to continue running as knox compliant.
however, I think most larger corps use some kind of supporting MDM that would catch that anyway
similar to how you can have a jailbroken ios device connected to corp servers with no issues, until MDM gets involved and spots it.
Sure it is. Here at my work we have Android phones that are encrypted and set so that any changes will set off alerts. We are a fortune 500 financial company. To ensure the data on the mobile devices is not compromised the software and hardware triggers will set of alerts to the system admin. They can reach out to the person assigned to the mobile device and see what happened. But mostly likely the device is disabled so it will not have access to the network and email services. This is to protect the firm from the risk of the mobile device being compromised. Then the risk to company data can be eliminated by a remote wipe.
So no access to root is allowed as it defeats the purpose of having a secure encrypted mobile device in the first place.
So if root access is a requirement.....don't get a Samsung phone. They come with Knox and locked boot loaders.
I would imagine that your company is using MDM software and not completely relying on KNOX though eh? otherwise you only use samsung android devices?
Correct. We use that in combination so there are several factors involved in mobile device security. If one factor gets compromised then at least the other factors can kick in until the alert process can disable the device.
I don't know why Knox gets a bad rap. Its not like we can hack our cars electrical system or the BIOS in our computers without voiding out warranty either.
There are some companies like HTC that allow a process to unlock their phones. Samsung chose not to do this. Easy fix is to not buy their phones if this is a requirement.
I think samsung gets a bad rap because they were THE tinkerers device before knox on the GS4 (which was sprung in an OTA too), they did a complete about face
and thanks for the knowledge
its hard to tell these power user types that want full access not to buy the best hardware though
personally I equate phones to computers moreso than cars (root is a commonplace right on PCs). IMO root access should be granted if the user desires (corporate use aside of course), otherwise we will be on a slippery slope to losing freedom on the internet. The media companies cant wait to strangle our access for the greater good of their profits /tangent
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