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Andres Cantu

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Yup. They're focusing on the s6's shortcomings. If they can pull it off it'll be the s6 perfected.
That's exactly what I want to see from them. I want to see a phone that is so good that it will force Apple to stop holding back, because we all know they do. The 6s is what the 6 should have been (minus the A9, of course).
 

Tig Bitties

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Seems like the S7 will be to the S6 what the 6s is to the 6. Not that it's a bad thing, in fact, it's a wise decision in terms of cost, since redesigning the phone every year is costly.

Absolutely. The S7 will have a larger battery + more efficient processor, so battery life should be dramatically better on the S7 over the S6. Waterproofing is always nice to have, never complain on that, especially the one time you need the waterproofing, it might save your $700 phone. And 4GB RAM will smooth it out a little bit more, as does having Android 6.01 Marshmallow being the base of the software, so it should just be nicer overall, as Marshmallow is basically Lollipop with the bug fixes and smoother Android OS...
 

Andres Cantu

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Absolutely. The S7 will have a larger battery + more efficient processor, so battery life should be dramatically better on the S7 over the S6. Waterproofing is always nice to have, never complain on that, especially the one time you need the waterproofing, it might save your $700 phone. And 4GB RAM will smooth it out a little bit more, as does having Android 6.01 Marshmallow being the base of the software, so it should just be nicer overall, as Marshmallow is basically Lollipop with the bug fixes and smoother Android OS...
Very true. I'm very excited about 2016 in terms of what everyone will bring to the table.
 

Zaft

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PS. Please make finger print reader faster. I've always complained it was too slow (especially when opening into certain apps like hangouts. Maybe that's more touchwiz than the fingerprint reader). But either way, it needs to get better. The 6S is faster. The 6P is faster. The s7 damn well better be too.

And for goodness sake, dial back the constant warnings and software tips. They drive me crazy. Stop babying us like Apple babies iPhone users.
Well your the minority, average Joe doesn't know crap about anything.
 

epicrayban

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Well your the minority, average Joe doesn't know crap about anything.

Even after it pops up repeatedly? I'm not saying get rid of them entirely. I understand the need for them. I'm saying, once you've warned me and I've dismissed it, that should be it. I'd even say after a full reboot, if that prompts the warning again, that's fine. But these warnings are every few days no matter what you do.

Stock Android doesn't do this; they warn you once, and you never see it again. Only TouchWiz does, and it's something of iOS that shouldn't be copied. iOS has its own slew of annoying and obnoxious "security" measures that are mostly unnecessary.

It's about treating the user with some semblance of intelligence. At the very least, give us the options to turn these "tips" off.
 
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MRU

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Even after it pops up repeatedly? I'm not saying get rid of them entirely. I understand the need for them. I'm saying, once you've warned me and I've dismissed it, that should be it. I'd even say after a full reboot, if that prompts the warning again, that's fine. But these warnings are every few days no matter what you do.

Stock Android doesn't do this; they warn you once, and you never see it again. Only TouchWiz does, and it's something of iOS that shouldn't be copied. iOS has its own slew of annoying and obnoxious "security" measures that are mostly unnecessary.

It's about treating the user with some semblance of intelligence. At the very least, give us the options to turn these "tips" off.
You're right about the warnings. The Z5 does the warning. But only once and after dismissed it doesn't ask again even next time you plug in your headphones. Same as 6P. Samsung please credit people with a modicum of sense if they've just spent close to a grand on your phone that they don't need to be babied every time they want to listen to music.
 
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epicrayban

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Leaks! http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/29/10872934/samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-photos

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[doublepost=1454104991][/doublepost]Is that USB C I see?
 
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Tig Bitties

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Leaks! http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/29/10872934/samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-photos

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s7angle-930x621.png

[doublepost=1454104991][/doublepost]Is that USB C I see?

Meh, looks ok, but like I'll wait for the Note 6, never been a fan of the Edge design, they look weird almost ugly, and not my cup of tea, no bezel on the sides to me means easier accidental touches on the edges of the screen, I'll pass.

And the regular S, never been a big fan, too small, and too rounded, just not for me.

I love the more rectangular Note look, plus the 5.7" screen is just perfect IMO, and no Edge for me, I like the flat phone. But these similar features as the S7 on the Note 6 will be awesome :)
 

jamezr

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I noticed a bigger camera on the larger model.
How can you tell from that picture? I mean how can you tell from that front facing shot what the camera is?
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Leaks! http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/29/10872934/samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-photos

CZ6lKoiWAAEnG2i.jpg


s7angle-930x621.png

[doublepost=1454104991][/doublepost]Is that USB C I see?
LOL at iVerge...every phone is a copy of the iphone......Those guys other there really are fanboys.....
 

Andres Cantu

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How can you tell from that picture? I mean how can you tell from that front facing shot what the camera is?
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LOL at iVerge...every phone is a copy of the iphone......Those guys other there really are fanboys.....
I can't tell what the camera is, but I definitely notice that the larger model's is a bit bigger. Not sure what to make of that (5MP and 8MP, maybe?). Maybe the larger one has a larger aperture?
 

jamezr

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I can't tell what the camera is, but I definitely notice that the larger model's is a bit bigger. Not sure what to make of that (5MP and 8MP, maybe?). Maybe the larger one has a larger aperture?
i don't see a difference...other than a bigger phone. I don't think you can tell camera size from press RENDERS....they might not be proportionate.
 

Andres Cantu

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i don't see a difference...other than a bigger phone. I don't think you can tell camera size from press RENDERS....they might not be proportionate.
Good point. Now that you mention proportions, the SAMSUNG logo's are also different sizes (albeit very slightly). So yeah, it's probably just a mistake.
 

epicrayban

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I wonder what the weight and thickness of this phone will be if they've added a bigger battery and waterproofing. Maybe that's what the rumor meant when it says there will be no camera hump. The phone just got thicker.

I'm okay with this.
[doublepost=1454126334][/doublepost]If the s7 really turns out to be the "s6 perfected," people are going to have no more excuses to knock Samsung. They can misdirect you to poor sales or copied design or whatever, but if the rumors pan out, this is going to be a brilliant smartphone whether they want to admit it or not.

Samsung just has to actually deliver! That's easier said than done.

Especially in software. Personally, though, I don't think (and have always argued as such) that touch wiz needs that much work. I think that's something that's been exaggerated. But fine, I get it's one of the last big hurdles for people, even if it's mostly overblown. Samsung has from year to year done nothing but steer touchwiz in the right direction; in the direction many have repeatedly asked them to go (ditto hardware, but that's another topic). It's not like Samsung has to completely turn the ship around on their software.

The biggest issue is actually software updates but that's something that I wouldn't hold my breath on changing anytime soon unless the whole industry with android, the carriers, the OEMS change. This is just something that you have to accept and even learn to appreciate because it gives us all the benefits of customization and extra features from OEM skins, some that influence the software side of the entire industry.

Samsung is poised to make the s7 super great. The potential is all there.
 
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Andres Cantu

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I wonder what the weight and thickness of this phone will be if they've added a bigger battery and waterproofing. Maybe that's what the rumor meant when it says there will be no camera hump. The phone just got thicker.

I'm okay with this.
[doublepost=1454126334][/doublepost]If the s7 really turns out to be the "s6 perfected," people are going to have no more excuses to knock Samsung. They can misdirect you to poor sales or copied design or whatever, but if the rumors pan out, this is going to be a brilliant smartphone whether they want to admit it or not.

Samsung just has to actually deliver! That's easier said than done.

Especially in software. Personally, though, I don't think (and have always argued as such) that touch wiz needs that much work. I think that's something that's been exaggerated. But fine, I get it's one of the last big hurdles for people, even if it's mostly overblown. Samsung has from year to year done nothing but steer touchwiz in the right direction; in the direction many have repeatedly asked them to go (ditto hardware, but that's another topic). It's not like Samsung has to completely turn the ship around on their software.

The biggest issue is actually software updates but that's something that I wouldn't hold my breath on changing anytime soon unless the whole industry with android, the carriers, the OEMS change. This is just something that you have to accept and even learn to appreciate because it gives us all the benefits of customization and extra features from OEM skins, some that influence the software side of the entire industry.

Samsung is poised to make the s7 super great. The potential is all there.
Do you think that this will be the year in which we see the perfect smartphone? That is, excellent battery life, camera, display, etc. No shortcomings (Galaxy phones used to fall-short in design, the iPhones fall-short in battery life and display, etc.).

If so, where do we go from here?
 

jamezr

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I wonder what the weight and thickness of this phone will be if they've added a bigger battery and waterproofing. Maybe that's what the rumor meant when it says there will be no camera hump. The phone just got thicker.

I'm okay with this.
[doublepost=1454126334][/doublepost]If the s7 really turns out to be the "s6 perfected," people are going to have no more excuses to knock Samsung. They can misdirect you to poor sales or copied design or whatever, but if the rumors pan out, this is going to be a brilliant smartphone whether they want to admit it or not.

Samsung just has to actually deliver! That's easier said than done.

Especially in software. Personally, though, I don't think (and have always argued as such) that touch wiz needs that much work. I think that's something that's been exaggerated. But fine, I get it's one of the last big hurdles for people, even if it's mostly overblown. Samsung has from year to year done nothing but steer touchwiz in the right direction; in the direction many have repeatedly asked them to go (ditto hardware, but that's another topic). It's not like Samsung has to completely turn the ship around on their software.

The biggest issue is actually software updates but that's something that I wouldn't hold my breath on changing anytime soon unless the whole industry with android, the carriers, the OEMS change. This is just something that you have to accept and even learn to appreciate because it gives us all the benefits of customization and extra features from OEM skins, some that influence the software side of the entire industry.

Samsung is poised to make the s7 super great. The potential is all there.
Agreed...the biggest hurdle for Samsung is their software. TW keeps getting better.....but it's time for a big overhaul so the software can catch up to their industry leading hardware.
 

nj-morris

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Do you think that this will be the year in which we see the perfect smartphone? That is, excellent battery life, camera, display, etc. No shortcomings (Galaxy phones used to fall-short in design, the iPhones fall-short in battery life and display, etc.).

If so, where do we go from here?

Don't think so, people's expectations change every year. In 2013, the Galaxy Note 5 would probably be perfect. But in 2016, when it was released, people saw the negatives, because it was being compared to phones like the Moto X, LG G4, etc. Every year we'll see new technologies on phones, and companies will fail to catch up with consumer expectations (or at least the expectations of people like us). There will always be something to work on, until we se a phone that is projected on our wrists ;)
 
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Tsepz

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Do you think that this will be the year in which we see the perfect smartphone? That is, excellent battery life, camera, display, etc. No shortcomings (Galaxy phones used to fall-short in design, the iPhones fall-short in battery life and display, etc.).

If so, where do we go from here?
Its the PC industry all over again. We may start seeing more niche smartphones, like the Z Ultra of 2014. But with apps like Snapchat, Periscope, Instagram and Vine still being battery guzzlers, I think we still have a long way to go power wise.

Battery tech is still old, still using the ol' Lithium battery, that has been stretched far too long. Hopefully there will be a positive disruption soon in terms of energy.
 
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Tsepz

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I wonder what the weight and thickness of this phone will be if they've added a bigger battery and waterproofing. Maybe that's what the rumor meant when it says there will be no camera hump. The phone just got thicker.

I'm okay with this.
[doublepost=1454126334][/doublepost]If the s7 really turns out to be the "s6 perfected," people are going to have no more excuses to knock Samsung. They can misdirect you to poor sales or copied design or whatever, but if the rumors pan out, this is going to be a brilliant smartphone whether they want to admit it or not.

Samsung just has to actually deliver! That's easier said than done.

Especially in software. Personally, though, I don't think (and have always argued as such) that touch wiz needs that much work. I think that's something that's been exaggerated. But fine, I get it's one of the last big hurdles for people, even if it's mostly overblown. Samsung has from year to year done nothing but steer touchwiz in the right direction; in the direction many have repeatedly asked them to go (ditto hardware, but that's another topic). It's not like Samsung has to completely turn the ship around on their software.

The biggest issue is actually software updates but that's something that I wouldn't hold my breath on changing anytime soon unless the whole industry with android, the carriers, the OEMS change. This is just something that you have to accept and even learn to appreciate because it gives us all the benefits of customization and extra features from OEM skins, some that influence the software side of the entire industry.

Samsung is poised to make the s7 super great. The potential is all there.

Amen!

I believe TouchWiz was at its worst in the Galaxy S4 with the tons of things they put in it, that phone was stacked to the hilt with software and even hardware we may only see in a few years make a comeback (Humidity Sensor, Gesture Sensor etc...), the Gesture sensor alone came with a huge amount of software to use it.

After the S4, Samsung cooled down and worked on making TW faster, from the Galaxy S5 and up I have found it to be fast and fluid, in fact I think TouchWiz in the S5 and Note 4 in Android 4.4 KitKat was great.

In the S6 range and Note5 I find Samsung have actually gone too far in slimming it down, they are pretty much dumbing TW down, and I hate that. Setting up my Mom's S6 for her I was shocked to find some options removed i.e. you can't tweak Power Save as you can in the Note 4 (pick if you want CPU, Display or Both), or control whether the Capacitive buttons stay lit etc...

The loss of the feature to stream music to other Galaxy phones from 1 Galaxy phone via WiFi Direct was also sucked.
Another was the shared Camera, I could connect my S4 to my mate's S4s, and Note 3s via WiFi Direct, and whatever image I took they got it, was great, used it at New Years 2013/2014 and at a few BDay parties.

Each time I hear that TW is being slimmed down further I ask myself what other useful things are we losing now...


I feel as though people will always ask for TW to be slimmed down, even if it gets down to stock Android there will be complaints, its like they want it to be as dumbed down as iOS.

The very reason I buy Androids and Samsung in particular was that they always packed cool features that took full advantage of the hardware, when they brought in NFC and WiFi Direct they threw in some sweet features that no other phone maker had. The IR Blaster, my Note 4 is a universal remote control thanks to that.
Download Booster, I have yet to see this in any Samsung competitor, being able to use both WiFi and LTE at the same time to download a file faster, love it!
Then there's Samsung's legendary video player, from the days of the Samsung Omnia i900 Windows Mobile 6 + Samsung Innov8 i8510 Symbian S60 phone to the latest Note5, the video player seems to support the most formats of any mobile device I've come across, God forbid they ever mess with the video player.
 
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MRU

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Especially in software. Personally, though, I don't think (and have always argued as such) that touch wiz needs that much work. I think that's something that's been exaggerated. But fine, I get it's one of the last big hurdles for people, even if it's mostly overblown. Samsung has from year to year done nothing but steer touchwiz in the right direction; in the direction many have repeatedly asked them to go (ditto hardware, but that's another topic). It's not like Samsung has to completely turn the ship around on their software.

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It's not what you see with Touchwiz that is the issue, it's the legacy files and redundancy that is under the touchwiz GUI.

There are system files that are remnants of older touchwiz features that are still lingering and duplicated services running that are simply redundant. Their are legacy files that are remnant from 4-5 generations / iterations ago still lingering like a dirty STD that won't go away.

It's why Samsung's System usage always hovers over 2gb or greater without anything else running and despite 'sliming down the launcher' system usage has increased year on year.

Even skins like Sense which offers just as much features and customisation over stock keeps its System ram usage below 1gb (usually around 750mb), LG which has a very heavy skin around 750mb-1gb and likes of Moto & Sony around 700mb too which is very similar to stock android system memory usage. By keeping system memory in check, more memory is invariably available to apps.

Samsung whilst improved the front end of Touchwiz over the years has simply swept all the detritus under the carpet and now we feel the problems that this can create. It's why we have the ram management issues on their 3gb devices and why even with an extra 1gb the Note 5 & Edge+ still can't keep as many apps open as the likes of the HTC M9 or LG G4 devices despite them having a gig less to spare.

So when people are asking for Touchwiz to debloat it's not the GUI or the 'what you see' that is the problem, it's a desire to see Samsung lift up their carpet and give it a good cleaning and remove those dozens of services & legacy files from the OS. There is no reason for Samsung's OS to use more than twice the resources of its competitors, and giving it a good thorough clean - even if it means rebuilding what it offers now from the ground up to get rid of the deadwood, it would only serve the end user better regardless of which model Samsung device they buy.

Samsung for too long has been throwing hardware muscle at the mess in order to budge & shove it's way through it, rather than just simply sweep it up in the first instance.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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I'm definitely going for the S7 Edge. And hopefully it should fit my Gear VR.

I ask Nexpaq if they are going to make a case for it, and they replied, yes. :D
 

Andres Cantu

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Don't think so, people's expectations change every year. In 2013, the Galaxy Note 5 would probably be perfect. But in 2016, when it was released, people saw the negatives, because it was being compared to phones like the Moto X, LG G4, etc. Every year we'll see new technologies on phones, and companies will fail to catch up with consumer expectations (or at least the expectations of people like us). There will always be something to work on, until we se a phone that is projected on our wrists ;)
That's very true. I guess that can only be a good thing: I know I wouldn't want for the industry to reach its peak of innovation anytime soon.

Its the PC industry all over again. We may start seeing more niche smartphones, like the Z Ultra of 2014. But with apps like Snapchat, Periscope, Instagram and Vine still being battery guzzlers, I think we still have a long way to go power wise.

Battery tech is still old, still using the ol' Lithium battery, that has been stretched far too long. Hopefully there will be a positive disruption soon in terms of energy.
I recall Samsung having developed a battery technology that would make smartphones' batteries last twice as long. When they bring that to market, it'll be disruptive for sure.
 
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