Galaxy S7

[Sevanw]

Are you guys really that sensitive about updates, whilst I sympathize from my up to date S7 is it that really significant better smoother than had I not received the update that it would force me to consider lessor alternatives

Whilst I agree we are not typical users and have an above average interests and I have used many HTC devices even before when they were branded as Imate's, would you not be equally frustrated by these lessor spec devices.

Lol, trust me, you'll hurt your head in trying to find the logic in going to a lesser phone because they didn't get their update on time. Give up all the amazingness of the S7/S7 Edge just because an update that no one really notices in real use. Yup.

 

[jamezr]

Are you guys really that sensitive about updates, whilst I sympathize from my up to date S7 is it that really significant better smoother than had I not received the update that it would force me to consider lessor alternatives

Whilst I agree we are not typical users and have an above average interests and I have used many HTC devices even before when they were branded as Imate's, would you not be equally frustrated by these lessor spec devices.

I agree...Most of the software updates from Google from one Android version to another are released in the Playstore. So the apps can be downloaded and installed. So not missing out on that aspect of a software update. I am getting monthly security updates so that is not an issue either.
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GET IT, JMERZ!


But in all seriousness, the HTC 10 is an excellent alternate option to Samsung. It hits on all the notes that's missing from Samsung. They both trade strengths. Great counter option.

Personally, I think Samsung edges them out just a bit more. I find I can't go without wireless charging anymore. The convenience is too great to go back. And I love that it's waterproof. It's such a worry-free luxury. Plus, I genuinely find great use out of TouchWiz's little extra features.

Conversely, HTC is offering a cleaner OS that'll probably mean faster updates. Selling unlocked is great, too. Plus, HTC has the advantage of better speakers, a better home button implementation (come on Samsung/Apple. Let's move beyond physical home buttons, please), better button placement (I'm used to it now, but still hate that the back button is on the wrong side on Samsung devices), and a few other advantages.

Again, just a lovely counter option to Samsung. Great job by HTC. Even I'm tempted...

I like the HTC 10 but I would not use my JoD on TMO to replace my S7 edge.Not gonna happen no way no how....

I might get one after the initial release and people have posted their hands on reviews here. But I really prefer bigger phones with 5.5 displays.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Personally wireless charging is a non-issue with USB Type C and fast charge. 30 minutes to 50% is great. And even if you need to fumble in the dark (which is the complaint with USB) there are no issues since the plug can go in either way. HTC designers said they even figured out how to do wireless through the metal phone, but opted for the faster charging feature via usb c.

Plus if you want fast wireless charging, that is what, another $100 to the cost of the phone? eek.

Honestly, I really do hope those monthly security updates keep going for Samsung. That is important.

 

[epicrayban]

Are you guys really that sensitive about updates, whilst I sympathize from my up to date S7 is it that really significant better smoother than had I not received the update that it would force me to consider lessor alternatives

Whilst I agree we are not typical users and have an above average interests and I have used many HTC devices even before when they were branded as Imate's, would you not be equally frustrated by these lessor spec devices.

100% with you on this.

I think immediate software updates are an overblown advantage and used mainly as a talking point for Apple to rail against Android and fragmentation. No one denies Apple does it the fastest (notice I didn't necessarily say the best) and longest. The way Apple updates is truly great especially for people who don't update their hardware for years.

But the way Android updates is not a deal breaker at all once you factor in the bigger picture.

Firstly, Nexus devices get updates quickly, too. And monthly security patches. Plus, they roll updates out in waves to mitigate any widespread software glitches. I like this safety measure; I don't need an update bricking my device or causing general issues with my daily driver. There's a joke that Nexus users are beta testers, and funny or not, I rather not be part of that.

Secondly, in the Android world, updates often mean you get the whole shebang. Very rarely do you get updated to the latest Android software and you're missing key features. On iOS, depending on how old your device is, sometimes the updates are missing the main new software feature! That sucks.

Thirdly, OEMs are actually getting better and faster at updates. Look at Motorola and HTC and even Sony. Samsung, too, have improved. And if you're fortunate to be on a carrier that isn't a jerk about updates (like Tmobile; I love them), the process is fine.

Fourthly, Google updates their core apps via the Play Store frequently. And they do this all year round usually regardless of which device and software version you're on (unless it's super old, of course). I much prefer this model because it means my device is being improved year round.

Fifthly, I don't remember what else. ;P

But the point is, I agree. I'm all for faster/better updates in the Android world. I'm all for less interference from carriers. But it's far from a deal breaker. The advantages the Android world offers lead to day to day gains, versus that once-a-year immediate update.

 

[jamezr]

Personally wireless charging is a non-issue with USB Type C and fast charge. 30 minutes to 50% is great. And even if you need to fumble in the dark (which is the complaint with USB) there are no issues since the plug can go in either way. HTC designers said they even figured out how to do wireless through the metal phone, but opted for the faster charging feature via usb c.

Plus if you want fast wireless charging, that is what, another $100 to the cost of the phone? eek.

Honestly, I really do hope those monthly security updates keep going for Samsung. That is important.

Wireless charging is so useful though. It's so convenient to just pick up the phone from the charger without having to unplug a cable. Then to just put it back when you're done without having to try to match up the connectors from a dock or plug in a cable. I had concerns about the USB C cables and some being harmful to the devices. But i think they have a new standard out to help with that but that hasn't been adopted yet.
Where did you hear that adding wireless charging adds $100 to a device? first i have heard about that tbh. was that for all phones or just the HTC 10?

 

[Surf Donkey]

Wireless charging is so useful though. It's so convenient to just pick up the phone from the charger without having to unplug a cable. Then to just put it back when you're done without having to try to match up the connectors from a dock or plug in a cable. I had concerns about the USB C cables and some being harmful to the devices. But i think they have a new standard out to help with that but that hasn't been adopted yet.
Where did you hear that adding wireless charging adds $100 to a device? first i have heard about that tbh. was that for all phones or just the HTC 10?

For sure, trade off for the 1 second to plug something in vs time to charge. All preferences. But again, how hard is it to match up a USB C cable that has no right or wrong way?

Sorry, $70. I thought it was more than that.

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-NG930TBUGUS

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Wireless charging is so useful though. It's so convenient to just pick up the phone from the charger without having to unplug a cable. Then to just put it back when you're done without having to try to match up the connectors from a dock or plug in a cable. I had concerns about the USB C cables and some being harmful to the devices. But i think they have a new standard out to help with that but that hasn't been adopted yet.
Where did you hear that adding wireless charging adds $100 to a device? first i have heard about that tbh. was that for all phones or just the HTC 10?

I agree. I barley use the cord to charge the S7 edge at home. Pushing and pulling out a cord vs dropping and picking up, might sound like minimal difference. But it feels so much more natural and easier in everyday practice.

 

[SteveJUAE]

100% with you on this.

I think immediate software updates are an overblown advantage and used mainly as a talking point for Apple to rail against Android and fragmentation. No one denies Apple does it the fastest (notice I didn't necessarily say the best) and longest. The way Apple updates is truly great especially for people who don't update their hardware for years.

But the way Android updates is not a deal breaker at all once you factor in the bigger picture.

Firstly, Nexus devices get updates quickly, too. And monthly security patches. Plus, they roll updates out in waves to mitigate any widespread software glitches. I like this safety measure; I don't need an update bricking my device or causing general issues with my daily driver. There's a joke that Nexus users are beta testers, and funny or not, I rather not be part of that.

Secondly, in the Android world, updates often mean you get the whole shebang. Very rarely do you get updated to the latest Android software and you're missing key features. On iOS, depending on how old your device is, sometimes the updates are missing the main new software feature! That sucks.

Thirdly, OEMs are actually getting better and faster at updates. Look at Motorola and HTC and even Sony. Samsung, too, have improved. And if you're fortunate to be on a carrier that isn't a jerk about updates (like Tmobile; I love them), the process is fine.

Fourthly, Google updates their core apps via the Play Store frequently. And they do this all year round usually regardless of which device and software version you're on (unless it's super old, of course). I much prefer this model because it means my device is being improved year round.

Fifthly, I don't remember what else. ;P

But the point is, I agree. I'm all for faster/better updates in the Android world. I'm all for less interference from carriers. But it's far from a deal breaker. The advantages the Android world offers lead to day to day gains, versus that once-a-year immediate update.

Phew thank goodness thought we were in a mass exodus for a bit of spilt milk

For sure US carriers have much to answer. for I don't quite understand why the bloat interferes with the updates and certainly the smaller ones.

I quite like the contradiction you get from other forums where MS is moaned at for so many updates yet pop over here and Apple are praised for IOS update frequency

 

[Surf Donkey]

I will say, if the technology becomes fully universal and as fast as a plug, I welcome it. Wireless electricity for everything would be awesome.

 

[jamezr]

For sure, trade off for the 1 second to plug something in vs time to charge. All preferences. But again, how hard is it to match up a USB C cable that has no right or wrong way?

Sorry, $70. I thought it was more than that.

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-NG930TBUGUS

Again preferences. I keep my phones by my nightstand charging. some in docks and some on wireless chargers. I can get a notification and pickup my S7 edge with one hand half asleep read whatever the heck it is...then put it back on the wireless charger with one hand while half asleep. No need to try to find the cable or get it into the port. But again it's all preferences..... I am not going to ding a phone that doesn't have wireless charging but I am not going to downplay one that does have it.
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I agree. I barley use the cord to charge the S7 edge at home. Pushing and pulling out a cord vs dropping and picking up, might sound like minimal difference. But it feels so much more natural and easier in everyday practice.

Yep...then it can all be done with one hand on a wireless charger....no two hands one to hold the cable one for the phone.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Not even going to ask why you guys need one hand free on your bed stand.

I personally keep my phone nowhere near my bed. Night time is sleepy time.

 

[jamezr]

Not even going to ask why you guys need one hand free on your bed stand.

I personally keep my phone nowhere near my bed. Night time is sleepy time.

lol...with my GF there....i got better things to do with my other hand....But then she gets mad if i look at my phones at all while she is there. She doesn't get my whole phone addiction thing......

 

[Surf Donkey]

lol...with my GF there....i got better things to do with my other hand....But then she gets mad if i look at my phones at all while she is there. She doesn't get my whole phone addiction thing......

LOL, yeah I totally get that. Which is why my phone doesn't come in the bedroom. Bad for me and the wife.

 

[SteveJUAE]

For sure, trade off for the 1 second to plug something in vs time to charge. All preferences. But again, how hard is it to match up a USB C cable that has no right or wrong way?

Sorry, $70. I thought it was more than that.

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-NG930TBUGUS

Agreed $70 is a bit steep given last years pads are given away with almost any accessory, all be they are a bit slower to charge

 

[gotluck]

Keep the same phone for two or three years and then tell me updates aren't important

Year one for Samsung is always gravy

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Agreed $70 is a bit steep given last years pads are given away with almost any accessory, all be they are a bit slower to charge

I have the Samsung non fast charging wireless pad, and it's still pretty fast. I would say pretty much equivilent to regular charging. I think the price is between $30- $40 something.

I'll wait for the Note 6 to get the wireless fast charger, or hopefully Samsung will give those out.

 

[SteveJUAE]

Keep the same phone for two or three years and then tell me updates aren't important

Year one for Samsung is always gravy

Ask my wife and she will laugh even though begrudgingly she has my 6 month old hand me downs, she still yearns for her 5 year old BB that now she can't even see the little KB and has no idea what was on her S4/S5/S6 and she is not alone

My youngest could not care less and is happy with his 5S even though I offered him the SE last week, my middle son has the 6S and equally is indifferent to updates I put bootcamp on his rMBP last week and found he had not updated for best part of year let alone El Capitain and as for force touch etc he thinks it's a complete pile of pish and he's an avid iPhone user, my eldest who just got his PHD is more up to speed but has stayed with the 5S as he likes small phones but will get the SE for his Bday.

I suspect like many families there is always at least one who enjoys tech and brings the family up to date but otherwise most will be blissfully unaware as the phone still functions as it did day one.

I have my youngest old Iphone3 knocking around somewhere in a draw I wonder what Apple updates will do for this device

 

[epicrayban]

Wireless charging is so useful though. It's so convenient to just pick up the phone from the charger without having to unplug a cable. Then to just put it back when you're done without having to try to match up the connectors from a dock or plug in a cable. I had concerns about the USB C cables and some being harmful to the devices. But i think they have a new standard out to help with that but that hasn't been adopted yet.
Where did you hear that adding wireless charging adds $100 to a device? first i have heard about that tbh. was that for all phones or just the HTC 10?

Yeah, it's one of those things that's hard to lose once you're used to it.

 

[SteveJUAE]

I have the Samsung non fast charging wireless pad, and it's still pretty fast. I would say pretty much equivilent to regular charging. I think the price is between $30- $40 something.

I'll wait for the Note 6 to get the wireless fast charger, or hopefully Samsung will give those out.

I got lucky and my S6E came with a free wireless pad, when I sold it after 3 months and got the S6 Duos I got another pad

So one in the lounge and one in the bedroom (note we have call blocking on to avoid strange calls in the night from relatives in the UK etc) not that I seem to be getting the same action as you lucky chaps still with girlfriends LOL

I've been wanting the latest fast charger pad but if it's $70 I may give it a miss as out here the old pad is bundled free with Samsung accessories like the clear view case or battery packs

 

[gotluck]

Ask my wife and she will laugh even though begrudgingly she has my 6 month old hand me downs, she still yearns for her 5 year old BB that now she can't even see the little KB and has no idea what was on her S4/S5/S6 and she is not alone

My youngest could not care less and is happy with his 5S even though I offered him the SE last week, my middle son has the 6S and equally is indifferent to updates I put bootcamp on his rMBP last week and found he had not updated for best part of year let alone El Capitain and as for force touch etc he thinks it's a complete pile of pish and he's an avid iPhone user, my eldest who just got his PHD is more up to speed but has stayed with the 5S as he likes small phones but will get the SE for his Bday.

I suspect like many families there is always at least one who enjoys tech and brings the family up to date but otherwise most will be blissfully unaware as the phone still functions as it did day one.

I have my youngest old Iphone3 knocking around somewhere in a draw I wonder what Apple updates will do for this device

a six month old device shouldnt even be considered a hand me down
things I am talking about are like stagefright, the note 2,3 and gs3,4 (depending on the carrier) should not have mms enabled.
All the devices stuck on lollipop that continue to have the cell standby bug

I think that due to the cost of these devices, the support should be a bit better. Thats fine if you dont want feature updates, but using old android as a daily driver without security updates is akin to windows use without ever running windows update, it is just not smart. If you dont care that is fine, but updates are my primary reason for not going samsung (aside from my gs4 gpe). I would have no problem with samsung if i was the type of user to upgrade phones every year

ios does suck for not letting users downgrade, but I would rather have the option of future support than a lack of it.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

GET IT, JMERZ!


But in all seriousness, the HTC 10 is an excellent alternate option to Samsung. It hits on all the notes that's missing from Samsung. They both trade strengths. Great counter option.

Personally, I think Samsung edges them out just a bit more. I find I can't go without wireless charging anymore. The convenience is too great to go back. And I love that it's waterproof. It's such a worry-free luxury. Plus, I genuinely find great use out of TouchWiz's little extra features.

Conversely, HTC is offering a cleaner OS that'll probably mean faster updates. Selling unlocked is great, too. Plus, HTC has the advantage of better speakers, a better home button implementation (come on Samsung/Apple. Let's move beyond physical home buttons, please), better button placement (I'm used to it now, but still hate that the back button is on the wrong side on Samsung devices), and a few other advantages.

Again, just a lovely counter option to Samsung. Great job by HTC. Even I'm tempted...

Hopefully it sells well and gives HTC some more life and drive. Competition is going to make the Android space insanely good. Hopefully this means Samsung cannot rest on their laurels.

At first I thought the back button placement would bother me too. But it doesn't. Took me all of a day at most to get used to it. And actually seems quite logical given the size of my phone. I use that button a lot and the other button not so much. The other button is a stretch for my small hands. So while unorthodox, I am totally happy and actually prefer this right side back button placement now. I can see where someone who is left handed would hate it though. They should probably make reversible buttons on phones to solve this issue. Then everyone can be happy.

 

[epicrayban]

At first I thought the back button placement would bother me too. But it doesn't. Took me all of a day at most to get used to it. And actually seems quite logical given the size of my phone. I use that button a lot and the other button not so much. The other button is a stretch for my small hands. So while unorthodox, I am totally happy and actually prefer this right side back button placement now. I can see where someone who is left handed would hate it though. They should probably make reversible buttons on phones to solve this issue. Then everyone can be happy.

I'm used to it now too. And am fine. It's a nitpicky thing of mine, I suppose. Back feels more proper in the lower left corner, but you're right, sometimes it is easier to reach when it's lower right considering I'm right handed, too.

Regarding the bolded part: yes! Jamerz said something similar. I agree and would love that. Make the hardware capacitive buttons non-descript and then they could be interchangeable via software!

 

[SteveJUAE]

a six month old device shouldnt even be considered a hand me down
things I am talking about are like stagefright, the note 2,3 and gs3,4 (depending on the carrier) should not have mms enabled.
All the devices stuck on lollipop that continue to have the cell standby bug

I think that due to the cost of these devices, the support should be a bit better. Thats fine if you dont want feature updates, but using old android as a daily driver without security updates is akin to windows use without ever running windows update, it is just not smart. If you dont care that is fine, but updates are my primary reason for not going samsung (aside from my gs4 gpe). I would have no problem with samsung if i was the type of user to upgrade phones every year

ios does suck for not letting users downgrade, but I would rather have the option of future support than a lack of it.

I sympathize as you seem to have 2 issues one you keep your phones for a reasonable length of time compared to most here and 2 you would be stuck with the usual carrier issues associated with he US.

As we all know it's not necessarily the best thing always to put the latest and greatest on your older phone and it's strongly rumoured that with IOS this can be detrimental to performance and usability with older handsets

As for security there are always alternatives with Android and after all your only at risk when poking around where maybe you shouldn't

It seems for your use you have the best options with IOS

 

[Surf Donkey]

I do wonder if HTC moved that button lower to avoid a lawsuit from Samsung. Because in the middle, and that phone looks exactly like the older galaxy.

And I do believe buttons can be reversed very easily. I did it on my Note. You need root. Oh wait......

 

[gotluck]

I sympathize as you seem to have 2 issues one you keep your phones for a reasonable length of time compared to most here and 2 you would be stuck with the usual carrier issues associated with he US.

As we all know it's not necessarily the best thing always to put the latest and greatest on your older phone and it's strongly rumoured that with IOS this can be detrimental to performance and usability with older handsets

As for security there are always alternatives with Android and after all your only at risk when poking around where maybe you shouldn't

It seems for your use you have the best options with IOS

I would love a premium nonphablet with stock android that gets updates (doesnt have to be nexus, but I'd love that). noncarrier device and bootloader unlockable, w/ wifi calling and volte support (if im leaving ios I want all the goodies and freedom)

Nobody makes that device, the HTC 10 may very well be that device, but I already gave up and bought a 6s when the jailbreak was available.. so maybe in two/three years (or I'd have to sell the 6S, which I'm not convinced of yet).

IMO even the guaranteed 2 years of nexus updates is too short nowadays. I'm not having really any issues with 6.0.1 cyanogenmod on my gs4, but I dont think custom unofficial software should be the norm for support on older devices. We should be beyond that now. Nothing goes 'obsolescent' in tech as fast as an android device