Galaxy S7

[MRU]

That is why I don't use it it tbh I still have to wake my S7e to do anything. I wish it faded in and out. It would be nice if it came on when the device was moved or touched instead of always on.
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Oh that is a great point. I have mine set to sue my FP to unlock my phone. Si an interactive always on display would bypass that security. I would have to authenticate (using my FP) then use any features the phone has. Considering how fast the FP scanner is on the S7 the screen is unlocked anyway.
The adaptive interactive display on Motorola phones bypasses security to add that feature. Those phones don't have FP scanners to consider in the mix.
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I remember Moto ambient display from my Pure. Great technology and more useful than the Always on Display because they are actionable and interactive. But it also bypasses device security such FP to unlock your phone.

It can't bypass FP because Moto never had finger print readers likewise when i use security and go to open something on my Force like a SMS it prompts me for my passcode before it launches the app fully.

I won't be using always on display on my S7 Edge regardless as i have ordered the official flip case so the screen will be covered by it and it has sleep to wake functionality when you open the case.

Still no confirmation here from where our devices will be shipped from or whether we can expect the VR to be packaged with it. It's looking likely that it will be as there is no rebate / mail in system for it on Samsung's euro websites and I've seen a couple of unboxings now where the VR came shrink-wrapped with the device.

 

[MRU]

Am I the only one who thinks the S6 Edge+ looks better than the S7 Edge?

I like the fact the new black one has a stealthy black rim around the finger print reader / home button. It looks nicer to me, but in general i think S6 Edge + and S7 Edge look much the same tbh. But i haven't had one in hand yet.

 

[jamezr]

It can't bypass FP because Moto never had finger print readers

That was part of my point. When comparing the S7 Always on Display to others like the one on Moto phones we have to take that into consideration. The interactive Ambient display on Moto phones doesn't have to deal with device security like a FP scanner.
I think the Moto one is better because it is interactive. But it also doesn't have to deal with device security like a FP scanner.
So imho all of these interactive display technologies have limited functionality if device security is enabled.

 

[MRU]

That was part of my point. When comparing the S7 Always on Display to others like the one on Moto phones we have to take that into consideration. The interactive Ambient display on Moto phones doesn't have to deal with device security like a FP scanner.
I think the Moto one is better because it is interactive. But it also doesn't have to deal with device security like a FP scanner.
So imho all of these interactive display technologies have limited functionality if device security is enabled.

Agreed. The only way to offer security and bypass it when using it would be with Androids Smart Unlock feature, however in my own experience that itself can be quite buggy. Sometimes remembering to bypass security and sometimes not. So yeah, it's swings and roundabouts still with nothing offering the 'best' solution just yet.

 

[pedrom]

Never gonna happen, Apple's devoted user base has made sure of it. When your user base is so devoted that it'll buy anything from you, you got no reason to really try anymore.

Can you expand on this, please? I'm really interested on what makes you think that.

Yeah, Apple makes a lot of bad decisions, and some users would buy whatever they sell, even potatoes. But it also happens with every brand that has some prestige, even Samsung. I can go on a limb here, and say that the vast, vast majority of high end phones being sold by Samsung (a number that keeps going down. This is a fact, not open for discussion) are to users that are inept, as far as anything tech-related goes.

Yes, Apple is behind on camera. Yes, right now, Samsung's displays are also the best. But how can you say that the company that made the mobile industry explode, makes their own OS, services and first party apps and built the most well supported and lucrative ecosystem in tech, designs their own SoCs that makes the 6s series king even when compared with the latest of the latest offerings on other platforms, supports their hardware the longest, is busy fighting for the privacy of their users and is the biggest supporter of encryption, was also the first to truly blow the memory performance of mobile devices out of the water with the 6s, is as lazy as you imply?

Some of their decisions can also be explained from a manufacturing/investment/costs/value point of view. Right now, Apple is the biggest seller of high end devices (with the biggest difference ever), also offers the most bang for the buck on the premium segment (and this makes your head spin... tough luck.), also makes the most money per handset sold, and keeps providing great experiences. Let them eat what they seeded for the last 15 years.

I'm very close to get my masters in Mechanical Engineering in the absolute best University of my country. My degree is well respected around the world, and regardless of the situation in this country I have open doors elsewhere. I earned my degree. Very few of the my "colleagues" in primary school even got the equivalent of the 12th grade. By all standards present in first world countries, I'm poor. And it pisses me off.

As such, since I like technology so much, and inform myself about it so much, I'm very careful with my purchases. Mind you, you are not talking with some ignorant that will have an erection for number of cores or megapixels count. What matters for me in a product is:

• How good is the software available for the platform;
• How good is the dev support and tools available (that way, I have an indication of how good the software available for that platform will be. Replacing cycles are getting longer, so this becomes even more important as time goes by.);
• How good is 1st party support (updates, ability to fix issues, improvements, security, privacy, encryption);
• What can I take away from the software + hardware combo (Real world performance, like exporting video, games, oommmpphhh for newer OSes and software, etc.);
• New useful products and ideas;
• Engineering behind the product;
• Design;
• Price;
• Market trends, that allow us better "guess" how the platform will fare in the future. (Replacing cycles are getting longer, so this becomes even more important as time goes by.)

Let's start from the bottom to the top:

• Market trend clearly states, without doubt, that Apple buried the competition in the high end market, as far as sales goes, and now the difference is huge. Even with the expected slightly drop in sales for the next few quarters, that difference will still rise (Sales =/= active user base. Android OEMs are also dropping faster in high end sales. Samsung ASP is dropping like a rock, just like their profits of the mobile division.);
• The 6s and 6s Plus are priced competitively, against the respective competition. Same for retina Macbooks Pros, Workstations, iPads and so on. Meanwhile, for the same price, Apple software is way more capable and affordable;
• Apple has a fantastic design philosophy. Some amateurish things like the ports on the latest Samsung devices, that also borrow a lot from the look of iPhones, makes them a no-go, for me;
• 
  
  
• Some people have trouble swallowing this, but the fact is that even when Apple isn't the direct inventor of something, they are the ones that make the product viable for competition by bringing the tech to the market in enough numbers, with the best implementation. See high PPI displays, aluminium and magnesium in laptops, laptops in general, high precision trackpads, fingerprint scanners, GUI, Mouse, you name it;
• Google Talk/hangouts/messages/ChatON is a stupid useless mess. iMessage was revolutionary and a fantastic product. Another example? Apple pay. Touch ID.
• With iMovie and the A9 chip, I can export a video 10x faster on an iPhone than any single Android device (tablet, phone, console, TV). Not exaggerating. On screen graphical performance, the only one that matters, is also 30% and more higher than the latest of the latest Android offerings. For evidence, see the latest youtube video of the biggest irrational Android fanboy disguised as reviewer, Austin Evans.
• Apple's support is unmatched. Apple apps like iMovie, iMessage, App Store, Mobile Safari also bring value that any other mobile platform can't match;
• iOS has the best apps as exclusives or iOS-first. Most users have the latest APIs available. Since Apple provides the best tools, users use the latest OSes, the hardware is uniform, we know why dev interest is so much higher in iOS. Even Google's interest for iOS makes Android look like a second class citizen, like it is.
• If you do like everybody else is doing, and buy flagship devices based on ecosystem, Android isn't even an option. It is non-existent in good tablets and can't compete with iOS + Mac on any level.

So, if you don't mind, I would like you to explain how someone like me is irrationally devoted, and how Apple doesn't "try". In fact, explain to me and to my colleagues, medical doctors, engineers, lawyers, casual users, pilots, pharmacists, software engineers, Google engineers, NASA engineers are all so devoted and foolish.

Did you go to a Microsoft conference, lately? What were the most used devices? Google conference? Linux conference?

I'm really curious. About your (and anyone else) answer. For me it's pretty obvious why the high end market was steamrolled and is now completely controlled by Apple, both on mobile and on the desktop. Yes, while that translates to less than 20% market share globally, it translates a lot more for first world countries and not only makes iOS the best platform, it also makes Apple the most successful public traded company of all time.

Also, as important, Apple's approach means that any new industry iOS enters, it will leave Android as nothing more than a cheaper, less relevant, less successful, option.
I'm open for a nice conversation, and I will answer to thoughtful posts, but not fanboyish rants. I don't care about those and I won't play that game with the usual suspects.

So, again, despite having a slightly better screen on pretty much any metric (that advantage will quickly disappear, as sales of galaxies drop so much and Apple becomes the savior of Samsung display) and a slightly better camera, how can someone actually buy and recommend the S7, on rational metrics? You just lose so much.

Samsung could sell a potato and the typical Galaxy buyer would buy that instead of an iPhone. They got no reason to really try anymore.

Have a nice day.

 

[mclld]

Good lawd man....take a breath

 

[jamezr]

Remember people...do not feed it! It only encourages their bad behavior.

 

[nviz22]

As for the Zagg dry application protectors, never used them before. Only the wet application ones. I do want to try their tempered glass for the S7 Edge. I am expecting a $20-$30 USD price tag though. Idk why they didn't make it available at launch?

As for AOD, I expect Samsung to make some updates to fine tune it. There has to be more to it w/ expanded SMS features. Moto's ability to highlight SMS and show more info is much better. Idk why people like to argue for the sake of arguing though. The beauty of Android is that tons of OEMs' flagships have unique features and try to emulate others. Not one Android phone is perfect. Moto has the best signal and active display. Samsung has the best design. HTC had their dual speakers. Etc etc. Just enjoy your phone and stop trying to turn it into a competition.

 

[MRU]

As for the Zagg dry application protectors, never used them before. Only the wet application ones. I do want to try their tempered glass for the S7 Edge. I am expecting a $20-$30 USD price tag though. Idk why they didn't make it available at launch?

As for AOD, I expect Samsung to make some updates to fine tune it. There has to be more to it w/ expanded SMS features. Moto's ability to highlight SMS and show more info is much better. Idk why people like to argue for the sake of arguing though. The beauty of Android is that tons of OEMs' flagships have unique features and try to emulate others. Not one Android phone is perfect. Moto has the best signal and active display. Samsung has the best design. HTC had their dual speakers. Etc etc. Just enjoy your phone and stop trying to turn it into a competition.

Yeah i went for the glass but ended up ordering the HD dry simply because the tempered wasn't available just yet. Will let you all know how well it does the job.

 

[Sevanw]

Can you expand on this, please? I'm really interested on what makes you think that.

Yeah, Apple makes a lot of bad decisions, and some users would buy whatever they sell, even potatoes. But it also happens with every brand that has some prestige, even Samsung. I can go on a limb here, and say that the vast, vast majority of high end phones being sold by Samsung (a number that keeps going down. This is a fact, not open for discussion) are to users that are inept, as far as anything tech-related goes.

Yes, Apple is behind on camera. Yes, right now, Samsung's displays are also the best. But how can you say that the company that made the mobile industry explode, makes their own OS, services and first party apps and built the most well supported and lucrative ecosystem in tech, designs their own SoCs that makes the 6s series king even when compared with the latest of the latest offerings on other platforms, supports their hardware the longest, is busy fighting for the privacy of their users and is the biggest supporter of encryption, was also the first to truly blow the memory performance of mobile devices out of the water with the 6s, is as lazy as you imply?

Some of their decisions can also be explained from a manufacturing/investment/costs/value point of view. Right now, Apple is the biggest seller of high end devices (with the biggest difference ever), also offers the most bang for the buck on the premium segment (and this makes your head spin... tough luck.), also makes the most money per handset sold, and keeps providing great experiences. Let them eat what they seeded for the last 15 years.

I'm very close to get my masters in Mechanical Engineering in the absolute best University of my country. My degree is well respected around the world, and regardless of the situation in this country I have open doors elsewhere. I earned my degree. Very few of the my "colleagues" in primary school even got the equivalent of the 12th grade. By all standards present in first world countries, I'm poor. And it pisses me off.

As such, since I like technology so much, and inform myself about it so much, I'm very careful with my purchases. Mind you, you are not talking with some ignorant that will have an erection for number of cores or megapixels count. What matters for me in a product is:

• How good is the software available for the platform;
• How good is the dev support and tools available (that way, I have an indication of how good the software available for that platform will be. Replacing cycles are getting longer, so this becomes even more important as time goes by.);
• How good is 1st party support (updates, ability to fix issues, improvements, security, privacy, encryption);
• What can I take away from the software + hardware combo (Real world performance, like exporting video, games, oommmpphhh for newer OSes and software, etc.);
• New useful products and ideas;
• Engineering behind the product;
• Design;
• Price;
• Market trends, that allow us better "guess" how the platform will fare in the future. (Replacing cycles are getting longer, so this becomes even more important as time goes by.)

Let's start from the bottom to the top:

• Market trend clearly states, without doubt, that Apple buried the competition in the high end market, as far as sales goes, and now the difference is huge. Even with the expected slightly drop in sales for the next few quarters, that difference will still rise (Sales =/= active user base. Android OEMs are also dropping faster in high end sales. Samsung ASP is dropping like a rock, just like their profits of the mobile division.);
• The 6s and 6s Plus are priced competitively, against the respective competition. Same for retina Macbooks Pros, Workstations, iPads and so on. Meanwhile, for the same price, Apple software is way more capable and affordable;
• Apple has a fantastic design philosophy. Some amateurish things like the ports on the latest Samsung devices, that also borrow a lot from the look of iPhones, makes them a no-go, for me;
• 
  
  
• Some people have trouble swallowing this, but the fact is that even when Apple isn't the direct inventor of something, they are the ones that make the product viable for competition by bringing the tech to the market in enough numbers, with the best implementation. See high PPI displays, aluminium and magnesium in laptops, laptops in general, high precision trackpads, fingerprint scanners, GUI, Mouse, you name it;
• Google Talk/hangouts/messages/ChatON is a stupid useless mess. iMessage was revolutionary and a fantastic product. Another example? Apple pay. Touch ID.
• With iMovie and the A9 chip, I can export a video 10x faster on an iPhone than any single Android device (tablet, phone, console, TV). Not exaggerating. On screen graphical performance, the only one that matters, is also 30% and more higher than the latest of the latest Android offerings. For evidence, see the latest youtube video of the biggest irrational Android fanboy disguised as reviewer, Austin Evans.
• Apple's support is unmatched. Apple apps like iMovie, iMessage, App Store, Mobile Safari also bring value that any other mobile platform can't match;
• iOS has the best apps as exclusives or iOS-first. Most users have the latest APIs available. Since Apple provides the best tools, users use the latest OSes, the hardware is uniform, we know why dev interest is so much higher in iOS. Even Google's interest for iOS makes Android look like a second class citizen, like it is.
• If you do like everybody else is doing, and buy flagship devices based on ecosystem, Android isn't even an option. It is non-existent in good tablets and can't compete with iOS + Mac on any level.

So, if you don't mind, I would like you to explain how someone like me is irrationally devoted, and how Apple doesn't "try". In fact, explain to me and to my colleagues, medical doctors, engineers, lawyers, casual users, pilots, pharmacists, software engineers, Google engineers, NASA engineers are all so devoted and foolish.

Did you go to a Microsoft conference, lately? What were the most used devices? Google conference? Linux conference?

I'm really curious. About your (and anyone else) answer. For me it's pretty obvious why the high end market was steamrolled and is now completely controlled by Apple, both on mobile and on the desktop. Yes, while that translates to less than 20% market share globally, it translates a lot more for first world countries and not only makes iOS the best platform, it also makes Apple the most successful public traded company of all time.

Also, as important, Apple's approach means that any new industry iOS enters, it will leave Android as nothing more than a cheaper, less relevant, less successful, option.
I'm open for a nice conversation, and I will answer to thoughtful posts, but not fanboyish rants. I don't care about those and I won't play that game with the usual suspects.

So, again, despite having a slightly better screen on pretty much any metric (that advantage will quickly disappear, as sales of galaxies drop so much an Apple becomes the savior of Samsung display) and a slightly better camera, how can someone actually buy and recommend the S7, on rational metrics? You just lose so much.

Samsung could sell a potato and the typical Galaxy buyer would buy that instead of an iPhone. They got no reason to really try anymore.

Have a nice day.

What could drive a person to care to write such an extremely long, time consuming response? Hate to say it, but you just proved my point for me. The devotion, there's nothing like it out there. Wow!

PS. Listen, it's not that serious, just enjoy your device, whatever it may be. I honestly feel bad that you took so much time and effort in your post, and my response is only this long.

 

[nviz22]

Yeah i went for the glass but ended up ordering the HD dry simply because the tempered wasn't available just yet. Will let you all know how well it does the job.

Does it come with a lifetime warranty too?
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What could drive a person to care to write such an extremely long, time consuming response? Hate to say it, but you just proved my point for me. The devotion, there's nothing like it out there. Wow!

PS. Listen, it's not that serious, just enjoy your device, whatever it may be. I honestly feel bad that you took so much time and effort in your post, and my response is only this long.

I wanted to ignore his/her post. However, it is soaked in bias.

"I'm very close to get my masters in Mechanical Engineering in the absolute best University of my country. My degree is well respected around the world, and regardless of the situation in this country I have open doors elsewhere. I earned my degree. Very few of the my "colleagues" in primary school even got the equivalent of the 12th grade."

Just that very snippet shows the bias and some level of arrogance. I have news for you, sir/ma'am. Not many people use someone's "history" as evidence of credibility. I can say that I am working on Android N in a spruced up passage, but it will not grant me credibility.

If it's your opinion that something is cheaper and less relevant, that is nice and all. You have to realize that iOS is designed to be less power intensive. Also, there is less flexibility for cross platform interaction. You have to use iTunes to get music onto an iPhone. Android has the ability download MP3s directly to the phone and store it on an SD card or on-board memory. Apple is behind on hardware too, so it doesn't matter if someone can get a higher single core benchmark score. There are no features like wireless charging, quick charging, native stylus support, multi-window support, etc on the current iPhone. I own both a 6S Plus and GS7 Edge. Samsung may not have the best software support, but they have features to separate themselves from iOS/Apple. Technology is about choice, not a right/wrong answer.

Anyone could write a rant and feel as if they're accomplished since they get their message across. My advice to you is to take a step back and realize that rubbing people off the wrong way will "ostensibly show that you're arrogant, biased, etc." Do you want to project that outward manifestation? Probably not. Your intent is probably different. You can be an "engineer" or a "peanut farmer" for all we know, but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy your purchases.

 

[pedrom]

What could drive a person to care to write such an extremely long, time consuming response? Hate to say it, but you just proved my point for me. The devotion, there's nothing like it out there. Wow!

PS. Listen, it's not that serious, just enjoy your device, whatever it may be. I honestly feel bad that you took so much time and effort in your post, and my response is only this long.

I don't understand. My post was "long" and "time consuming"? Maybe for you, for your particular standards. Since I don't like to talk BS, or to talk about things that I don't understand (unless I'm in the process of learning something about it), I usually avoid to talk out of my ass, and justify here and there what I'm saying. That way, someone that took the time to read what was written, might understand my POV and what was mentioned. I'm glad my point connected with some users, as can be attested.

It's the principle of any conversation and discussion. On the other hand, it isn't the principle of circlejerking about things we don't understand, so I get your point. The moment I started something in this thread that isn't absolute and irrational devotion to Apple hating, I knew all of your probable answers and the kind of user that would very quickly agree with you no matter what, as long as your neurons could cook something as minimal like "Apple suckz".

The post that I answered already told me you couldn't counter my argument. You couldn't deal with facts. You couldn't justify your position. You couldn't materialize any idea, any topic into something useful about this matter.

Anyway, I would like to thank you for your well thought answer of my factually driven post. I made my point, you proved it, and you seem happy about it. So, both of us are happy about it, and should just enjoy our devices of choice.

It's good enough for me, and won't change the fact that the Galaxy Series of devices was steamrolled by Apple, not only because of the shiny design and great logo, but because of very succinct, justifiable and obvious reasons that were previously mentioned and, God (I'm not catholic) knows why, make some users feel so, so uncomfortable...

Anyway, since I'm not one of cheap insults, thanks for those that took the time to read my post. With my background and fast internet, it took me up to 5 or 6 minutes... That's immense and lunatic-like devotion for the typical S7 buyer. Samsung will always be able to count on you.

Does it come with a lifetime warranty too?
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I wanted to ignore his/her post. However, it is soaked in bias.

Not many people use someone's "history" as evidence of credibility.

There are no features like wireless charging, quick charging, native stylus support, multi-window support, etc on the current iPhone. I own both a 6S Plus and GS7 Edge. Samsung may not have the best software support, but they have features to separate themselves from iOS/Apple. Technology is about choice, not a right/wrong answer.

Is it really necessary to say something about how sad and ironic the bolded part looks? Good job.

Apple has native stylus support and multi-window support on devices that actually take advantage of it. The Note line became so useless, that Samsung is even phasing it out on market after market...

Quick charging is also achieve with a 10W Apple charger. It just doesn't come in the same box. But those are nothing minor than minor, minor features compared with the problems addressed in the post that you desperately "wanted to ignore", and just can't counter.

However, I can quickly take a few lessons out of this thread:

1. No wonder Samsung Mobile was obliterated as far as high end sales, ASPs, Profits, Innovation goes;
2. They can always count on some users that will religiously buy their products, no matter what.

 

[gotluck]

With your background... Lol

Keep that nose up in the sky bro

Everything that really matters in the world runs on Linux and Windows. Apple has ios.

 

[MRU]

Does it come with a lifetime warranty too?
.

The HD Dry one does yes . Not sure about the tempered glass one.

 

[nviz22]

The HD Dry one does yes . Not sure about the tempered glass one.

That's good. I hope the tempered glass one does too.

 

[grkm3]

Can you expand on this, please? I'm really interested on what makes you think that.

Yeah, Apple makes a lot of bad decisions, and some users would buy whatever they sell, even potatoes. But it also happens with every brand that has some prestige, even Samsung. I can go on a limb here, and say that the vast, vast majority of high end phones being sold by Samsung (a number that keeps going down. This is a fact, not open for discussion) are to users that are inept, as far as anything tech-related goes.

Yes, Apple is behind on camera. Yes, right now, Samsung's displays are also the best. But how can you say that the company that made the mobile industry explode, makes their own OS, services and first party apps and built the most well supported and lucrative ecosystem in tech, designs their own SoCs that makes the 6s series king even when compared with the latest of the latest offerings on other platforms, supports their hardware the longest, is busy fighting for the privacy of their users and is the biggest supporter of encryption, was also the first to truly blow the memory performance of mobile devices out of the water with the 6s, is as lazy as you imply?

Some of their decisions can also be explained from a manufacturing/investment/costs/value point of view. Right now, Apple is the biggest seller of high end devices (with the biggest difference ever), also offers the most bang for the buck on the premium segment (and this makes your head spin... tough luck.), also makes the most money per handset sold, and keeps providing great experiences. Let them eat what they seeded for the last 15 years.

I'm very close to get my masters in Mechanical Engineering in the absolute best University of my country. My degree is well respected around the world, and regardless of the situation in this country I have open doors elsewhere. I earned my degree. Very few of the my "colleagues" in primary school even got the equivalent of the 12th grade. By all standards present in first world countries, I'm poor. And it pisses me off.

As such, since I like technology so much, and inform myself about it so much, I'm very careful with my purchases. Mind you, you are not talking with some ignorant that will have an erection for number of cores or megapixels count. What matters for me in a product is:

• How good is the software available for the platform;
• How good is the dev support and tools available (that way, I have an indication of how good the software available for that platform will be. Replacing cycles are getting longer, so this becomes even more important as time goes by.);
• How good is 1st party support (updates, ability to fix issues, improvements, security, privacy, encryption);
• What can I take away from the software + hardware combo (Real world performance, like exporting video, games, oommmpphhh for newer OSes and software, etc.);
• New useful products and ideas;
• Engineering behind the product;
• Design;
• Price;
• Market trends, that allow us better "guess" how the platform will fare in the future. (Replacing cycles are getting longer, so this becomes even more important as time goes by.)

Let's start from the bottom to the top:

• Market trend clearly states, without doubt, that Apple buried the competition in the high end market, as far as sales goes, and now the difference is huge. Even with the expected slightly drop in sales for the next few quarters, that difference will still rise (Sales =/= active user base. Android OEMs are also dropping faster in high end sales. Samsung ASP is dropping like a rock, just like their profits of the mobile division.);
• The 6s and 6s Plus are priced competitively, against the respective competition. Same for retina Macbooks Pros, Workstations, iPads and so on. Meanwhile, for the same price, Apple software is way more capable and affordable;
• Apple has a fantastic design philosophy. Some amateurish things like the ports on the latest Samsung devices, that also borrow a lot from the look of iPhones, makes them a no-go, for me;
• 
  
  
• Some people have trouble swallowing this, but the fact is that even when Apple isn't the direct inventor of something, they are the ones that make the product viable for competition by bringing the tech to the market in enough numbers, with the best implementation. See high PPI displays, aluminium and magnesium in laptops, laptops in general, high precision trackpads, fingerprint scanners, GUI, Mouse, you name it;
• Google Talk/hangouts/messages/ChatON is a stupid useless mess. iMessage was revolutionary and a fantastic product. Another example? Apple pay. Touch ID.
• With iMovie and the A9 chip, I can export a video 10x faster on an iPhone than any single Android device (tablet, phone, console, TV). Not exaggerating. On screen graphical performance, the only one that matters, is also 30% and more higher than the latest of the latest Android offerings. For evidence, see the latest youtube video of the biggest irrational Android fanboy disguised as reviewer, Austin Evans.
• Apple's support is unmatched. Apple apps like iMovie, iMessage, App Store, Mobile Safari also bring value that any other mobile platform can't match;
• iOS has the best apps as exclusives or iOS-first. Most users have the latest APIs available. Since Apple provides the best tools, users use the latest OSes, the hardware is uniform, we know why dev interest is so much higher in iOS. Even Google's interest for iOS makes Android look like a second class citizen, like it is.
• If you do like everybody else is doing, and buy flagship devices based on ecosystem, Android isn't even an option. It is non-existent in good tablets and can't compete with iOS + Mac on any level.

So, if you don't mind, I would like you to explain how someone like me is irrationally devoted, and how Apple doesn't "try". In fact, explain to me and to my colleagues, medical doctors, engineers, lawyers, casual users, pilots, pharmacists, software engineers, Google engineers, NASA engineers are all so devoted and foolish.

Did you go to a Microsoft conference, lately? What were the most used devices? Google conference? Linux conference?

I'm really curious. About your (and anyone else) answer. For me it's pretty obvious why the high end market was steamrolled and is now completely controlled by Apple, both on mobile and on the desktop. Yes, while that translates to less than 20% market share globally, it translates a lot more for first world countries and not only makes iOS the best platform, it also makes Apple the most successful public traded company of all time.

Also, as important, Apple's approach means that any new industry iOS enters, it will leave Android as nothing more than a cheaper, less relevant, less successful, option.
I'm open for a nice conversation, and I will answer to thoughtful posts, but not fanboyish rants. I don't care about those and I won't play that game with the usual suspects.

So, again, despite having a slightly better screen on pretty much any metric (that advantage will quickly disappear, as sales of galaxies drop so much and Apple becomes the savior of Samsung display) and a slightly better camera, how can someone actually buy and recommend the S7, on rational metrics? You just lose so much.

Samsung could sell a potato and the typical Galaxy buyer would buy that instead of an iPhone. They got no reason to really try anymore.

Have a nice day.

Lol I read about 10 seconds of this rant.

Must be bored or just on an adderal Bing but damn bro relax and go play with your iPhone in the other section.

Seriously it probably took you 30 min to write your post lol

I will have an awesome day using my gs7 edge bud

Cheers!

 

[spinedoc77]

Can you expand on this, please? I'm really interested on what makes you think that.

Yeah, Apple makes a lot of bad decisions, and some users would buy whatever they sell, even potatoes. But it also happens with every brand that has some prestige, even Samsung. I can go on a limb here, and say that the vast, vast majority of high end phones being sold by Samsung (a number that keeps going down. This is a fact, not open for discussion) are to users that are inept, as far as anything tech-related goes.

Yes, Apple is behind on camera. Yes, right now, Samsung's displays are also the best. But how can you say that the company that made the mobile industry explode, makes their own OS, services and first party apps and built the most well supported and lucrative ecosystem in tech, designs their own SoCs that makes the 6s series king even when compared with the latest of the latest offerings on other platforms, supports their hardware the longest, is busy fighting for the privacy of their users and is the biggest supporter of encryption, was also the first to truly blow the memory performance of mobile devices out of the water with the 6s, is as lazy as you imply?

Some of their decisions can also be explained from a manufacturing/investment/costs/value point of view. Right now, Apple is the biggest seller of high end devices (with the biggest difference ever), also offers the most bang for the buck on the premium segment (and this makes your head spin... tough luck.), also makes the most money per handset sold, and keeps providing great experiences. Let them eat what they seeded for the last 15 years.

I'm very close to get my masters in Mechanical Engineering in the absolute best University of my country. My degree is well respected around the world, and regardless of the situation in this country I have open doors elsewhere. I earned my degree. Very few of the my "colleagues" in primary school even got the equivalent of the 12th grade. By all standards present in first world countries, I'm poor. And it pisses me off.

As such, since I like technology so much, and inform myself about it so much, I'm very careful with my purchases. Mind you, you are not talking with some ignorant that will have an erection for number of cores or megapixels count. What matters for me in a product is:

• How good is the software available for the platform;
• How good is the dev support and tools available (that way, I have an indication of how good the software available for that platform will be. Replacing cycles are getting longer, so this becomes even more important as time goes by.);
• How good is 1st party support (updates, ability to fix issues, improvements, security, privacy, encryption);
• What can I take away from the software + hardware combo (Real world performance, like exporting video, games, oommmpphhh for newer OSes and software, etc.);
• New useful products and ideas;
• Engineering behind the product;
• Design;
• Price;
• Market trends, that allow us better "guess" how the platform will fare in the future. (Replacing cycles are getting longer, so this becomes even more important as time goes by.)

Let's start from the bottom to the top:

• Market trend clearly states, without doubt, that Apple buried the competition in the high end market, as far as sales goes, and now the difference is huge. Even with the expected slightly drop in sales for the next few quarters, that difference will still rise (Sales =/= active user base. Android OEMs are also dropping faster in high end sales. Samsung ASP is dropping like a rock, just like their profits of the mobile division.);
• The 6s and 6s Plus are priced competitively, against the respective competition. Same for retina Macbooks Pros, Workstations, iPads and so on. Meanwhile, for the same price, Apple software is way more capable and affordable;
• Apple has a fantastic design philosophy. Some amateurish things like the ports on the latest Samsung devices, that also borrow a lot from the look of iPhones, makes them a no-go, for me;
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• Some people have trouble swallowing this, but the fact is that even when Apple isn't the direct inventor of something, they are the ones that make the product viable for competition by bringing the tech to the market in enough numbers, with the best implementation. See high PPI displays, aluminium and magnesium in laptops, laptops in general, high precision trackpads, fingerprint scanners, GUI, Mouse, you name it;
• Google Talk/hangouts/messages/ChatON is a stupid useless mess. iMessage was revolutionary and a fantastic product. Another example? Apple pay. Touch ID.
• With iMovie and the A9 chip, I can export a video 10x faster on an iPhone than any single Android device (tablet, phone, console, TV). Not exaggerating. On screen graphical performance, the only one that matters, is also 30% and more higher than the latest of the latest Android offerings. For evidence, see the latest youtube video of the biggest irrational Android fanboy disguised as reviewer, Austin Evans.
• Apple's support is unmatched. Apple apps like iMovie, iMessage, App Store, Mobile Safari also bring value that any other mobile platform can't match;
• iOS has the best apps as exclusives or iOS-first. Most users have the latest APIs available. Since Apple provides the best tools, users use the latest OSes, the hardware is uniform, we know why dev interest is so much higher in iOS. Even Google's interest for iOS makes Android look like a second class citizen, like it is.
• If you do like everybody else is doing, and buy flagship devices based on ecosystem, Android isn't even an option. It is non-existent in good tablets and can't compete with iOS + Mac on any level.

So, if you don't mind, I would like you to explain how someone like me is irrationally devoted, and how Apple doesn't "try". In fact, explain to me and to my colleagues, medical doctors, engineers, lawyers, casual users, pilots, pharmacists, software engineers, Google engineers, NASA engineers are all so devoted and foolish.

Did you go to a Microsoft conference, lately? What were the most used devices? Google conference? Linux conference?

I'm really curious. About your (and anyone else) answer. For me it's pretty obvious why the high end market was steamrolled and is now completely controlled by Apple, both on mobile and on the desktop. Yes, while that translates to less than 20% market share globally, it translates a lot more for first world countries and not only makes iOS the best platform, it also makes Apple the most successful public traded company of all time.

Also, as important, Apple's approach means that any new industry iOS enters, it will leave Android as nothing more than a cheaper, less relevant, less successful, option.
I'm open for a nice conversation, and I will answer to thoughtful posts, but not fanboyish rants. I don't care about those and I won't play that game with the usual suspects.

So, again, despite having a slightly better screen on pretty much any metric (that advantage will quickly disappear, as sales of galaxies drop so much and Apple becomes the savior of Samsung display) and a slightly better camera, how can someone actually buy and recommend the S7, on rational metrics? You just lose so much.

Samsung could sell a potato and the typical Galaxy buyer would buy that instead of an iPhone. They got no reason to really try anymore.

Have a nice day.

You have a lot of great points and I agree with most of them. I think most users (myself included) just kind of transpose how they user their phones into what makes a phone "good" or "bad". In reality the iPhone 6s+ is an incredible phone, the hardware is top notch and beautiful. The software isn'tnecessarily inferior, just different. As you mention it does some things better, some things worse. While I ascribe a significant portion of Apple sales to their brand loyalty, it still doesn't mean they don't put out a great product which fits consumers needs with varying degrees of success. Although I will disagree with "slightly better screen", ignoring the very detailed expert metrics on the screen I notice a substantial difference between my iPhone 6s+ and my Note 5 screens.

One thing I like about Apple is their relentless and razor sharp focus. You mention google chat/hangouts and I agree that it's just a ridiculous mess. Google could dominate so much if they gave us a messaging solution, put Google Voice in there (which is incredible), give us the stability imessage enjoys, but Google seems massively unfocused in relation to their messaging apps. They create the hangouts app, then don't really support it, then nix it, it's like one big huge beta test for consumers and that's not healthy. In this respect IMO Google is the "lazy" one, although that's not the right term. Can't turn on a dime may be a better term, they are a bit slow and ponderous and seem to at t imes be unable to react to the market.

In relation to the S7 in particular, it does have some MAJOR advantages over the iPhone series. For me it's not only having a superior screen, but also about the size of the phone versus the screen. While iphones are beautiful, they bezels on them are ridiculous and make their phones gigantic and amateurish as you put it. Put a S7 next to an iPhone 6s+ and suddenly Apple's beautiful hardware looks antiquated. That size serves a major functional purpose, allowing easier one hand use, easier transportation, etc. The rest of it kind of boils down to OS. Personally I think ioS is tired and much too simple, causing complexity instead of relieving it with it's "simplicity". I'm big on widgets, getting a stream of information from every single source at a single glance is very powerful and useful to me. But as I said before, others may find they like iOS and how they lay everything out. Certainly the core functions of a "phone" are IMO better on iOS, things such as calls, texting, video chat, etc work better.

 

[nj-morris]

I like the fact the new black one has a stealthy black rim around the finger print reader / home button. It looks nicer to me, but in general i think S6 Edge + and S7 Edge look much the same tbh. But i haven't had one in hand yet.

Fair enough, I didn't really like the black in the S6 series. However, the one that looks the stealthiest is definitely the one that they're selling in some parts of Asia with no front logo. Take a look, it's very attractive. It's amazing how removing something so simple can make so much of an effect. I really hoe that spreads.
But I was talking about the gold S6 Edge+ which I own. That, in my opinion, looks amazing. In the pictures, the gold S7 doesn't look as vibrant. I guess I just have to wait until I see it in person.

 

[jamezr]

Fair enough, I didn't really like the black in the S6 series. However, the one that looks the stealthiest is definitely the one that they're selling in some parts of Asia with no front logo. Take a look, it's very attractive. It's amazing how removing something so simple can make so much of an effect. I really hoe that spreads.
But I was talking about the gold S6 Edge+ which I own. That, in my opinion, looks amazing. In the pictures, the gold S7 doesn't look as vibrant. I guess I just have to wait until I see it in person.

That logo on the front of my black S7e sure ruins that solid black slab look.

 

[pedrom]

You have a lot of great points and I agree with most of them. I think most users (myself included) just kind of transpose how they user their phones into what makes a phone "good" or "bad". In reality the iPhone 6s+ is an incredible phone, the hardware is top notch and beautiful. The software isn'tnecessarily inferior, just different. As you mention it does some things better, some things worse. While I ascribe a significant portion of Apple sales to their brand loyalty, it still doesn't mean they don't put out a great product which fits consumers needs with varying degrees of success. Although I will disagree with "slightly better screen", ignoring the very detailed expert metrics on the screen I notice a substantial difference between my iPhone 6s+ and my Note 5 screens.

One thing I like about Apple is their relentless and razor sharp focus. You mention google chat/hangouts and I agree that it's just a ridiculous mess. Google could dominate so much if they gave us a messaging solution, put Google Voice in there (which is incredible), give us the stability imessage enjoys, but Google seems massively unfocused in relation to their messaging apps. They create the hangouts app, then don't really support it, then nix it, it's like one big huge beta test for consumers and that's not healthy. In this respect IMO Google is the "lazy" one, although that's not the right term. Can't turn on a dime may be a better term, they are a bit slow and ponderous and seem to at t imes be unable to react to the market.

In relation to the S7 in particular, it does have some MAJOR advantages over the iPhone series. For me it's not only having a superior screen, but also about the size of the phone versus the screen. While iphones are beautiful, they bezels on them are ridiculous and make their phones gigantic and amateurish as you put it. Put a S7 next to an iPhone 6s+ and suddenly Apple's beautiful hardware looks antiquated. That size serves a major functional purpose, allowing easier one hand use, easier transportation, etc. The rest of it kind of boils down to OS. Personally I think ioS is tired and much too simple, causing complexity instead of relieving it with it's "simplicity". I'm big on widgets, getting a stream of information from every single source at a single glance is very powerful and useful to me. But as I said before, others may find they like iOS and how they lay everything out. Certainly the core functions of a "phone" are IMO better on iOS, things such as calls, texting, video chat, etc work better.

2 things.

First, thanks for your post. Finally an user that, despite having a different opinion, is at least a bit informed, well educated and "rational" about what he is talking about. As such, your opinion has relevance.

Second... I won't post a detailed answer to your post. I would love to engage on a nice conversation, since we have different POVs, but this whole section is polluted by users that can't hold a candle to your level of knowledge, rationality and maturity. It's an waste of time to discuss in this section.

When someone vomits stuff like "the world runs on Linux and Windows", others quickly push those tiny thumbs up buttons on every sentence that has the "apple suckz" idea behind it, no matter how stupid, dumb and pathetic it is,it's pointless. Sorry, I think I've made my point on previous posts.

Anyway, products are 3 dimensional. Apple's design manages for an extremely thin, symmetric device with amazing battery life that, more importantly, provides big sustained performance without compromises, unlike any Galaxy device ever sold.

 

[jamezr]

Here is the current line up.
Galaxy S7 edge , iPhone 6s+ , Note 5
Taken with my iPad Air

 

[MRU]

Here is the current line up.
Galaxy S7 edge , iPhone 6s+ , Note 5
Taken with my iPad Air

Jeez why is your iPhone screen so yellow ? It looks positively faulty looking.

Are you going to sell on the Note 5 now or hold onto it for a while ?

 

[jamezr]

Jeez why is your iPhone screen so yellow ? It looks positively faulty looking.

Are you going to sell on the Note 5 now or hold onto it for a while ?

It looks that was compared to the Samsung phones. Then the ipad doesn't take the best picture either.
I got the S7 on JoD with TMO. So I have to turn in the N5 or keep it and pay it off. I haven't decided what to do yet.
Edit:
The screen and display and settings are the same for all 3 phones. All 3 are running stock and not any beta software. I will post better pics when I get home from the gym.

 

[John Mcgregor]

Jeez why is your iPhone screen so yellow ? It looks positively faulty looking.

Are you going to sell on the Note 5 now or hold onto it for a while ?

It is tweaked to achieve what's required. There is no way for this IPS panel to be so muddy.

 

[pedrom]

It is tweaked to achieve what's required. There is no way for this IPS panel to be so muddy.

Nah. Probably just with a beta and running night mode. Certainly dimmed to look as bad as possible.

Anyway, that pic is nothing more than a sad cry for legitimacy from the most "prolific" poster in this section of the forum. It's an essential tool to disguise his lack of knowledge and inability do deal with some harsh (for him) reality and facts.

I mean, and to have the nerve to talk about "devotion". Samsung's userbase is composed of users like that. It has nothing to do with enjoying technology or understanding it. Or needing those devices. By his posts, he's certainly no Dev.

Anyway, getting ready to sell this POS and buy an iPhone soon.