Or maybe the whole underlying message of the series is a feminist one. Perhaps in the end Westeros will be ruled by Dany (7 Kingdoms), Yara (Iron Islands) and Sansa (Warden of the North). Feminists unite!
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In earlier seasons when we saw other Giants north of the wall did any of them use weapons? I was thinking we had seen a giant yielding some sort of large weapon at some point in the show?
While I poke fun at that scene, I actually agree with your sentiment 100%. In fact Sansa is acting consistently here. She has been keeping Littlefinger/Vale hidden from Jon. Just in case that wasn't clear to the audience, the writers had Brienne of Tarth point out to Sansa that she's not trusting Jon with that information. And Sansa continues to not trust Jon with that information all the way to the end.
I was also screaming at the screen for the giant to have a club or uprooted tree or something to swing around. It definitely felt like a wasted tactical opportunity. Heck, even pick up a body or something and swing that around.
The supplemental material for this episode, specifically the big bastard battle scene is pretty terrific. Really neat seeing the mix of practical, CGI, all the filing techniques, etc., and I don't think it ruins the "magic" in any way. It was on HBOGo for us, but I'm sure it's available through other sources.
So you think my grousing about GoT short seasons is bad now? Likely, Season 7=7, Season 8=8. I'll definitely read the books if they are ever published.
Game of Thrones’ Creators Mull Shorter Final Seasons (EXCLUSIVE)
It was confirmed months ago I think. Season 7 will have 7 episodes, Season 8 will have 6. I imagine Season 8 will be intense.
Some healthy salary bumps (at least partially to secure the talent) as well: http://deadline.com/2016/06/game-of-thrones-cast-season-8-big-raises-salary-hbo-1201776806/So you think my grousing about GoT short seasons is bad now? Likely, Season 7=7, Season 8=8. I'll definitely read the books if they are ever published.
Game of Thrones’ Creators Mull Shorter Final Seasons (EXCLUSIVE)
Re: Lady Stoneheart, there is nothing that says she could not play a part in the final chapters and in her physical state, anyone could probably play her.
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I thought the writing in this episode was pretty bad...Jon just charging out into a trap? what happened to the lord commander who defended the wall? Although you could make the argument that Jon truly "is" a Stark because he would always try to save his brother. can't blame him. also I had thought about rickon trying to zigzag his running, but ramsay did have his archers behind him, so that might have been for naught. i still think ramsay just purposefully missing (I assume) was dumb. Then he just waits for the right time when they are almost united and then suddenly he dies.
the battle scene itself was pretty terrific and super intense. it reminded me somewhat of saving private ryan, which is pretty insane to think about since the opening scene in saving private ryan was actually very close to the truth. also i love you sansa i take back everything bad i said about you in the early seasons
the battle scene itself was pretty terrific and super intense. it reminded me somewhat of saving private ryan, which is pretty insane to think about since the opening scene in saving private ryan was actually very close to the truth. also i love you sansa i take back everything bad i said about you in the early seasons
That section was all about emotions. All the Stark family members (including Jon) all thought each member was dead. To find out that he (Rickon) was alive and they were this close to saving him, you're going to rush and try to save him - trap or not. As for Ramsay missing with his arrows, giving hope and taking it away is the ultimate way to destroy someone emotionally and mentally. Think back to season 1 when Ned was going to receive punishment only to have that turn on him and instead, he got executed. That changed Sansa for a few seasons. The whole premise of the battle and how Ramsay played it was amazing for the simple fact that everyone in GoT is pretty much a fighter except for Ramsay. He was different because he destroyed you by playing mind games.
I think that this episode highlighted the differences between Jon and the new Sansa. Jon was going to try to save his brother regardless of the odds, similar to what parents do when trying to rescue their children when they're in extreme danger without considering that they might die themselves. As well, maybe Jon figured that his survival didn't make a difference because of the huge imbalance in armies.
Sansa, on the other hand, has become cool, calculating, and less compassionate over time. She warned Jon about Ramsay, and she knew that Rickon was a goner no matter what. She also got satisfaction watching Ramsay eaten by his own dogs, something she never would have done before her experience with him at Winterfell.
It'll be interesting to see where the writers take her character and how she differs from Dany. We've seen that Dany likes to destroy her enemies, as she almost did with the slavers. But she was deterred by Tyrion and ended up saying that unlike her father, she wants to leave the world better than the way she found it. Will Sansa do the same thing?
She's been threatened and abused. I don't see her moving beyond being able give compassion where it's due. I'm pleased with her transistion from Baratheon/Lannister fan girl-wall flower to being more empowered.
Another amazing episode to end the season. I didn't think they'd be able to touch all the storylines, but they almost did. In a way it's a pity that you can tell which major characters are going to appear from the opening credits. I was surprised to see Maisie Williams' name, but glad that we got more of Arya. One of the most satisfying scenes in the series. Jaqen would be proud. And I loved Bella Ramsey as Lyanna Mormont again. Now we have to wait until 2017. Oh well. We should know more about the iPhone 8 by then.
I liked this season a lot, but I also found it interesting that pretty much everyone in the show has developed fast travel.
yeah the pacing is really off. but this season finale was pretty great. too bad the first 8 episodes weren't that great imo.
Arya went too far too fast. Seriously, put that at the beginning of next season and I'll believe it. Did like the hand of the queen stuff, though.
yeah agree. maybe show her sailing for westeros to end the season or something. still though that scene was SO good. the stark girls really have grown up
I don't think they will end up together honestly. Jon doesn't seem like the type of person to want to be king. I actually do hope the white walkers win though. It would be interesting to see if the author does it. I somehow suspect Dany will lose one dragon. Can there be an undead dragon? that would be bamf.
Also, I've seen you posting around the forums recently. Just wanted to say 'hey' since I see you live in a suburb of detroit. I live in the bay area now, but i grew up in a suburb of detroit and moved for college. always cool to meet someone from SE michigan.
The idea that Daenarys thinks she's entitled to the throne and Jon being the rightful heir to it makes an interesting plot but I still stand by my thoughts that Jon could really care less about it and would be more happy by at Winterfell (king title or not) defending against the Night King. Maybe that will change if Jon finds out. Saying you don't want something when you're not entitled to it is not the same as saying you don't want it when it's rightfully yours.
Also, when Jamie was standing there looking at Cersei be crowned, only thing I could think of was the flashback of Jamie killing the Mad King. Just because of what happened and everyone's position, that story is drawing some parallels to each other.
Also, when Jamie was standing there looking at Cersei be crowned, only thing I could think of was the flashback of Jamie killing the Mad King. Just because of what happened and everyone's position, that story is drawing some parallels to each other.
We got the meat last week, now we have the potatoes. Great season ender. Wrapped up nice and neat. Wish more TV shows would take note... Cliffhangers suck (and we all knew Jon Snow would live last year) This isn't the Martin GoT we're watching now, but it's damn good television. Satisfied for now...
Touched on all the big plots. Arya: Yes! Another name off the list. Did it in style, too. The fingernail in the pie was a perfect touch. Who is Jon Snow? Not totally sure, but his birth is the story. Bran finally witnessed it. How he reacts will be the march to the conclusion. Cerci? Wow. Didn't see that coming last week! Sure felt good when it happened. Hate her with a passion but loved to see that nun tied up and screaming. Tyrion the new Hand? Perfect. And the boats with the dragon shadow on the water? Yep. Next season, it's on.
Only thing I'm worried about now is Little Finger and Sansa. She didn't seem as happy for Jon as I'd hoped.
Gonna be tough to sleep now!
Touched on all the big plots. Arya: Yes! Another name off the list. Did it in style, too. The fingernail in the pie was a perfect touch. Who is Jon Snow? Not totally sure, but his birth is the story. Bran finally witnessed it. How he reacts will be the march to the conclusion. Cerci? Wow. Didn't see that coming last week! Sure felt good when it happened. Hate her with a passion but loved to see that nun tied up and screaming. Tyrion the new Hand? Perfect. And the boats with the dragon shadow on the water? Yep. Next season, it's on.
Only thing I'm worried about now is Little Finger and Sansa. She didn't seem as happy for Jon as I'd hoped.
Gonna be tough to sleep now!
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I don't see them together either... although auntie/nephew makes for a better match then brother/sister I guess. My own guess is she will hit King's Landing, now with the support Varys gathered from the Martells and Tyrelles, and finish the Lannisters and claim the Iron Throne. Then she'll make her move north just when the Night King breaks the wall... no idea what will happen then. I'm guessing ultimately she leaves Jon as king of the north an beyond the wall, and she'll stay south.
As for the white walkers winning, that seems unlikely to me from a story-telling point of view. I was surprised to see Jon accept the title of king in the north, but I don't think that translates into ambitions for king's landing... He'll let Dany have it, unless she threatens the north. Maybe the three dragon heads are Tyrion, Dany, and Jon?
Yeah. I wonder if/how the dragons will react when they see him and recognize his bloodline. Is he also fire immune? Not all Targaryen are.
I was trying to interpret that look. Was it Jamie realizing that his son was dead? Or was it a wtf-did-my-sister-become look? EDIT: Actually I think you are right. He killed the mad king because he heard him plotting to blow up Kings landing with those stores of wild fire... now his sister actually did it. Good call.
Yes, that was cool... but possibly a bad omen. In the book, and I *think* the early episodes of the show, there was a recurring story Old Nan used to tell about someone who baked their enemy into a pie, and I'm pretty sure it ended badly for them. I'll have to re-read/watch to see if this was meant to be a parallel.
Well, now know. R+L=J!!
I think that frown we saw was her looking at Little finger and seeing he wasn't cheering for Jon. I think she anticipates an issue from him.
I don't see them together either... although auntie/nephew makes for a better match then brother/sister I guess. My own guess is she will hit King's Landing, now with the support Varys gathered from the Martells and Tyrelles, and finish the Lannisters and claim the Iron Throne. Then she'll make her move north just when the Night King breaks the wall... no idea what will happen then. I'm guessing ultimately she leaves Jon as king of the north an beyond the wall, and she'll stay south.
As for the white walkers winning, that seems unlikely to me from a story-telling point of view. I was surprised to see Jon accept the title of king in the north, but I don't think that translates into ambitions for king's landing... He'll let Dany have it, unless she threatens the north. Maybe the three dragon heads are Tyrion, Dany, and Jon?
Yeah. I wonder if/how the dragons will react when they see him and recognize his bloodline. Is he also fire immune? Not all Targaryen are.
I was trying to interpret that look. Was it Jamie realizing that his son was dead? Or was it a wtf-did-my-sister-become look? EDIT: Actually I think you are right. He killed the mad king because he heard him plotting to blow up Kings landing with those stores of wild fire... now his sister actually did it. Good call.
Yes, that was cool... but possibly a bad omen. In the book, and I *think* the early episodes of the show, there was a recurring story Old Nan used to tell about someone who baked their enemy into a pie, and I'm pretty sure it ended badly for them. I'll have to re-read/watch to see if this was meant to be a parallel.
Well, now know. R+L=J!!
I think that frown we saw was her looking at Little finger and seeing he wasn't cheering for Jon. I think she anticipates an issue from him.
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Mind blown. So many unexpected deaths, I'm still processing it all.. But I'm glad to see many characters get their comeuppance!
Start to finish, it was a good episode. Very rushed, but good. Pacing has been my biggest gripe with the show for a while now. Too much was crammed into the last couple episodes, when it could have been more spread out over the season.
A few things I didn't quite like:
- Given all its buildup, I felt the whole situation with the High Sparrow ended too quickly. I would've liked to see that play out a little longer.
- Arya... awesome seeing checking off a name. But again, like the Terminator/Arya battle, not enough screen time.
- The scene with the Martells seemed so out of place to me, especially given they've been absent for 95% of the season. And Varys popping up and uttering 3 words... so random.
- Is it just me or does Cersei look like an older Tommen? She should ditch the Lloyd Christmas bowl cut.
Start to finish, it was a good episode. Very rushed, but good. Pacing has been my biggest gripe with the show for a while now. Too much was crammed into the last couple episodes, when it could have been more spread out over the season.
A few things I didn't quite like:
- Given all its buildup, I felt the whole situation with the High Sparrow ended too quickly. I would've liked to see that play out a little longer.
- Arya... awesome seeing checking off a name. But again, like the Terminator/Arya battle, not enough screen time.
- The scene with the Martells seemed so out of place to me, especially given they've been absent for 95% of the season. And Varys popping up and uttering 3 words... so random.
- Is it just me or does Cersei look like an older Tommen? She should ditch the Lloyd Christmas bowl cut.
Well, L was confirmed, but unless I missed something, R is still an assumption. Mind you, I haven't read the books, so I'm just going off the scope of the show. If it is true (which, lets face it, it probably will be), can Jon even be the true heir, because technically he's still a bastard son?