Game of Thrones (HBO)

[Huntn]

I agree this series feels a little rushed, even from the beginning. At the start, Danerys has crossed the sea, with her Dothraki, and taken Dragonstone, Tyrion is suddenly Danerys's Hand, an alliance has been formed with Dorne and the Tyrells. Asha Greyjoy is also an ally. This all happened rather swiftly, given the pacing of the previous 6 seasons. Also people (and armies) are suddenly able to travel all over Westeros in the blink of an eye.

It could simply be that as the books were not written yet, GRRM had only worked out the main plot lines. He hasn't had time to develop the intricacies and subplots that made the early series so interesting. There are of course even more subplots in the books.

It could also be that as there are no books to follow TV network influence is now stronger than before. They are better able to influence which plot lines are screened, and funded. They have then decided to focus on a few.

That being said, it's certainly keeping the plot lines moving along at a pace. We also seem to be focussing more on the main plot lines - dealing with the White Walkers and with the Iron throne, and I'm very comfortable with that.

TV Networks are risk averse, so I don't expect any 'big names' to be killed off until the final few episodes (which at this point means the second half of the last season).

On the subject of Littlefinger. I thought he was obtaining that scroll to protect Sansa, until the scene where he oversaw Arya searching for it, and taking it back. He is certainly an enigma.

Sansa wrote the note, and Little Finger wanted Ayra to know she wrote the note, I suppose to sew seeds of ill will between them to get him back in better standing with Sansa.

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

I can see that it would sow seeds of discontent between Arya and Sansa, but I don't yet see how it will help Littlefinger. Arya has just arrived on the scene at Winterfell (to his knowledge), and was hardly going to replace / undermine Littlefinger's relationship with Sansa.

Also IIRC, Sansa was openly distraught at the beheading of her father. Arya should have seen and remembered that, as she was there too.
[doublepost=1503675446][/doublepost]Plus of course, Ned Stark publicly admitted his 'part' in the death of Robert Baratheon, before he was beheaded. Arya saw that too, as I recall.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I can see that it would sow seeds of discontent between Arya and Sansa, but I don't yet see how it will help Littlefinger. Arya has just arrived on the scene at Winterfell (to his knowledge), and was hardly going to replace / undermine Littlefinger's relationship with Sansa.

Also IIRC, Sansa was openly distraught at the beheading of her father. Arya should have seen and remembered that, as she was there too.
[doublepost=1503675446][/doublepost]Plus of course, Ned Stark publicly admitted his 'part' in the death of Robert Baratheon, before he was beheaded. Arya saw that too, as I recall.

I think Littlefinger is hoping his plot will make Sansa closer to him as she looks for a confidence. Pervert.

 

[zmunkz]

Sansa is up to something, too. She sent Brienne away immediately after being reminded that Brienne would be honor bound to intercede if either sister should threaten the other. What do we make of that??

 

[D.T.]

Sansa is up to something, too. She sent Brienne away immediately after being reminded that Brienne would be honor bound to intercede if either sister should threaten the other. What do we make of that??

Are we sure that was Sansa?

(Don't we have confirmation that a person doesn't necessarily has to be dead to be copied?)

 

[Channan]

Are we sure that was Sansa?

(Don't we have confirmation that a person doesn't necessarily has to be dead to be copied?)

We haven’t seen anyone use a living person's face before. The only exception was when Arya went blind, but that was something different entirely.

 

[D.T.]

We haven’t seen anyone use a living person's face before. The only exception was when Arya went blind, but that was something different entirely.

Someone posted about Jaqen doing it, but they may have been wrong, and/or [mis]interpreting something from the books[?]

I may have been thinking about that instance with Arya that you're describing.

That being said, I'm _definitely_ expecting some kind of Faceless Assassin shenanigans tonight

 

[zmunkz]

Wow, that episode was brilliant! R+L=J finally!

 

[Roller]

Wow, that episode was brilliant! R+L=J finally!

Now it's J+D=? and J+C=?

 

[Huntn]

Season 7 Final: A very interesting dynamic for next season.

 

[zmunkz]

Why was Tyrion all bent out of shape while they were gettin’ busy?

 

[AustinIllini]

Why was Tyrion all bent out of shape while they were gettin’ busy?

It's bad for business

 

[ritmomundo]

Spoilers abound...



I’ll be honest, I have mixed feelings about the finale... Not the best episode, but ultimately it got us from point A to point B...

I’m really enjoying the scenes with Cersei, because I just don’t know what to expect from her. She let Tyrion live, and I actually thought Jaime was about to die at one point.

The music throughout and during the credits.. Fantastic.

And wow. That undead dragon. I must admit, that was an impressive showing.

One of my issues with this season has been the pacing. It actually seemed fine at the beginning of this episode, as they even had time for banter as they walked to the Dragonpit. I figured that was for the extra long episode. But the end? They rushed it all again. The Wall comes down in less than a minute. Bran and Sam ‘conveniently’ talk about Jon for a minute. 80+ minutes and they still rushed things.

And then, there’s Littlefinger... Considering his role over the entire series, his undoing couldn’t have been more anti-climactic. It’s somewhat understandable since Bran was there, but come on.. being outwitted by Sansa? Seemed to play out more like fan service than anything.

I can hardly believe the season is over already. Now for the long wait until season 8..

 

[fitshaced]

Wow. Bringing down the wall was really incredible and I don't think we ever saw the wall from that angle before. I'm super impressed by episode 7.

 

[fitshaced]

Also, any ideas what Sandor Clegane meant when he said someone was coming for his brother? I really liked that confrontation though.
[doublepost=1503913498][/doublepost]Final thought. I don’t think Cersei is really pregnant.

 

[Bug-Creator]

And then, there’s Littlefinger... Considering his role over the entire series, his undoing couldn’t have been more anti-climactic.

Anti-climatic snuffing is the foundation of the series.

When Sansa had her sister called into the great hall I already had it 50/50 who was gonna bite the dust.

Also not surprised about Cersei backstabbing, but I really thought Jamie was a gonner, cos.......

.......anti-climatic snuffing is the foundation of the series

 

[Roller]

Some random thoughts and questions about last night's episode:

1. Why didn't The Mountain kill Jamie after he drew his sword?
2. Loved Theon's fight scene—probably the first time he was thankful for the surgery Ramsay inflicted on him.
3. The wight that Jon and crew brought to King's Landing was well done, especially seeing the parts moving after dismemberment. I expected Linda Hamilton to show up and declare him terminated.
4. How did Tyrion survive his audience with Cersei? Maybe it was his recognition that she's pregnant (assuming that's true).
5. Glad that Littlefinger finally got his due, thanks to Bran informing his sisters, even though the ruse was a bit obvious.
6. Tyrion was clearly unhappy about Jon and Dany. Does he think it'll interfere with her becoming queen? Is he jealous?
7. I didn't think that The Hound and his brother would fight, but is Cleganebowl more or less likely now?
8. Exactly what was the re-animated Viserion breathing? Icy fire?

Unfortunately, we'll have to wait a year or more to see where everything leads.

 

[Strider64]

I know there are already spoilers visible in previous posts, but I don't want to keep adding on to them incase someone was just checking this thread.

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I really don't know what Littlefinger's end game was really about? In my opinion it was kind of stupid pitting sister against sister, plus Littlefinger was a fool to think King Jon wouldn't had hung him by his toes and cut off his head if he was successful in his little plot. I don't think the Northern Army would had followed Sansa had she listen to Littlefinger.

While the undead dragon bringing down the was great in the special effects department, myself I pictured more water flowing as the wall came crashing down and while the dragon is undead I still picture fire not lightning coming out of its mouth.

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Some random thoughts and questions about last night's episode:

1. Why didn't The Mountain kill Jamie after he drew his sword?
2. Loved Theon's fight scene—probably the first time he was thankful for the surgery Ramsay inflicted on him.
3. The wight that Jon and crew brought to King's Landing was well done, especially seeing the parts moving after dismemberment. I expected Linda Hamilton to show up and declare him terminated.
4. How did Tyrion survive his audience with Cersei? Maybe it was his recognition that she's pregnant (assuming that's true).
5. Glad that Littlefinger finally got his due, thanks to Bran informing his sisters, even though the ruse was a bit obvious.
6. Tyrion was clearly unhappy about Jon and Dany. Does he think it'll interfere with her becoming queen? Is he jealous?
7. I didn't think that The Hound and his brother would fight, but is Cleganebowl more or less likely now?
8. Exactly what was the re-animated Viserion breathing? Icy fire?

Unfortunately, we'll have to wait a year or more to see where everything leads.

1. Because Cersei didn't give the order verbally. I take it when someone is in charge one actually has to speak the order.
6. I think it's a combination of Tyrion being a little jealous and and thinking Jon will be the one more in charge (The scene also had a lot of foreshadowing to it)
8. To me it looked like lightning. I still think it should had been plain old fire.

 

[zmunkz]

I suspect one way or the other we will have a "collapse of the wall" scene before the end of this series.

Boom! And it was great!

I am really curious what Littlefinger's role will be as the story reaches the climax and conclusion. He is the most mysterious of the remaining powers at this point

I was off on that. He wasn’t up to any grand scheme after all, just trying to become warden of the north, I guess. Let down.

2. Loved Theon's fight scene
4. How did Tyrion survive his audience with Cersei? Maybe it was his recognition that she's pregnant (assuming that's true).
6. Tyrion was clearly unhappy about Jon and Dany. Does he think it'll interfere with her becoming queen? Is he jealous?
7. I didn't think that The Hound and his brother would fight, but is Cleganebowl more or less likely now?

2. Me too. Rare on this show for someone to get a second chance at redemption.
4. Cerci couldn’t commit to her feint if she’d killed Tyrion.
6. I wondered that too. I’m unsure why it really matters to him. I don’t think jealousy... Mormont would’ve been another story.
7. Cleganebowl is a promise now!

 

[Channan]

Wow, that episode was brilliant! R+L=J finally!

More like R+L=A, but we already knew Jon was Rhaegar and Lyanna's son at the end of last season. We found out a few episodes ago that he's actually a legitimate Targaryen, not a Sand, and we found out this episode that his real name is Aegon.

 

[Jolly-boo]

6. Tyrion was clearly unhappy about Jon and Dany. Does he think it'll interfere with her becoming queen? Is he jealous?

I didn't read it as jealous, as some other have said. Rather, maybe, Tyrion was hoping she wasn't capable of having children, and perhaps - as he suggested - from now on they would elect their leaders, rather than having it be a family business. None of them really know if Daenerys can have children, but should she and Jon have a child, that child will most certainly grow up to rule. You are not really breaking "The Weel" then.

 

[LordQ]

WHERE'S TORMUND :'(

Really impressed by the episode, the first half was very slow but afterwards everything went full speed! The Night King looked soooooo badass riding his dragon breathing blue fire!

Overall it was a nice season though I think it lacked what made Game of Thrones what it is today: nude scenes and a lot of blood and graphic deaths. Here's to season 8!

 

[Huntn]

Spoilers

Spoilers abound...



I’ll be honest, I have mixed feelings about the finale... Not the best episode, but ultimately it got us from point A to point B...

I’m really enjoying the scenes with Cersei, because I just don’t know what to expect from her. She let Tyrion live, and I actually thought Jaime was about to die at one point.

The music throughout and during the credits.. Fantastic.

And wow. That undead dragon. I must admit, that was an impressive showing.

One of my issues with this season has been the pacing. It actually seemed fine at the beginning of this episode, as they even had time for banter as they walked to the Dragonpit. I figured that was for the extra long episode. But the end? They rushed it all again. The Wall comes down in less than a minute. Bran and Sam ‘conveniently’ talk about Jon for a minute. 80+ minutes and they still rushed things.

And then, there’s Littlefinger... Considering his role over the entire series, his undoing couldn’t have been more anti-climactic. It’s somewhat understandable since Bran was there, but come on.. being outwitted by Sansa? Seemed to play out more like fan service than anything.

I can hardly believe the season is over already. Now for the long wait until season 8..

Cliff Notes... LF's end was a surprise, and I agree somewhat anti-climatic. His manipulating finally caught up with him.
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Some random thoughts and questions about last night's episode:

1. Why didn't The Mountain kill Jamie after he drew his sword?
2. Loved Theon's fight scene—probably the first time he was thankful for the surgery Ramsay inflicted on him.
3. The wight that Jon and crew brought to King's Landing was well done, especially seeing the parts moving after dismemberment. I expected Linda Hamilton to show up and declare him terminated.
4. How did Tyrion survive his audience with Cersei? Maybe it was his recognition that she's pregnant (assuming that's true).
5. Glad that Littlefinger finally got his due, thanks to Bran informing his sisters, even though the ruse was a bit obvious.
6. Tyrion was clearly unhappy about Jon and Dany. Does he think it'll interfere with her becoming queen? Is he jealous?
7. I didn't think that The Hound and his brother would fight, but is Cleganebowl more or less likely now?
8. Exactly what was the re-animated Viserion breathing? Icy fire?

Unfortunately, we'll have to wait a year or more to see where everything leads.

1. That was strange. She nodded her head at the Mountain so I thought it was a done deal, but then he walked out. So Jamie will head North, interesting possibilities for him.
4. I was not convinced that Cercei would not have killed Tyron on sight. However it can be argued that she sees an opportunity to double cross the Dragon Queen and gain advantage so... he lived.
6. My wife read an article that called the incestual sex scene a new low for GOT. While titilating for the audience it does not count because only few at this point, certainly not the participants know the truth.
7. Can't say the likelihood of a fight, but this would be of prime interest to viewers.
8. It breathes cold which condenses water into projected ice. (Link)

 

[D.T.]

Some random thoughts and questions about last night's episode:

1. Why didn't The Mountain kill Jamie after he drew his sword?
2. Loved Theon's fight scene—probably the first time he was thankful for the surgery Ramsay inflicted on him.
3. The wight that Jon and crew brought to King's Landing was well done, especially seeing the parts moving after dismemberment. I expected Linda Hamilton to show up and declare him terminated.
4. How did Tyrion survive his audience with Cersei? Maybe it was his recognition that she's pregnant (assuming that's true).
5. Glad that Littlefinger finally got his due, thanks to Bran informing his sisters, even though the ruse was a bit obvious.
6. Tyrion was clearly unhappy about Jon and Dany. Does he think it'll interfere with her becoming queen? Is he jealous?
7. I didn't think that The Hound and his brother would fight, but is Cleganebowl more or less likely now?
8. Exactly what was the re-animated Viserion breathing? Icy fire?

Unfortunately, we'll have to wait a year or more to see where everything leads.

Just my $0.02 on a few of your questions:

1. Seems like there's a range of control, that was like a "Sword at the ready" nod, vs. the full on "Hulk smash!" command.

4. I guess we were supposed to take it as a coming to terms in the context of her family (and unborn child) being threatened - but in the end, we know it was another tactical move by Cersei.

6. See below!

7. I don't see how it can't happen, but I'm not convinced The Hound won't be helped or avenged by someone ...

8. I think it's ice, it's cold, it wasn't releasing what looked like heat, but it does have (not unlike the fire), significant concussive energy, it's not like it was melting the wall but cutting through it like a drill.

The music throughout and during the credits.. Fantastic.

The music is always very good, but yeah, last night it was an extra level of exceptional.

I didn't read it as jealous, as some other have said. Rather, maybe, Tyrion was hoping she wasn't capable of having children, and perhaps - as he suggested - from now on they would elect their leaders, rather than having it be a family business. None of them really know if Daenerys can have children, but should she and Jon have a child, that child will most certainly grow up to rule. You are not really breaking "The Weel" then.

Totally how we read that as well, but jealously, more of an "Oh jeezus, more of the same ..." (especially with regard to Jamie and Cersei ... yikes ...)

 

[Huntn]

WHERE'S TORMUND :'(

Really impressed by the episode, the first half was very slow but afterwards everything went full speed! The Night King looked soooooo badass riding his dragon breathing blue fire!

Overall it was a nice season though I think it lacked what made Game of Thrones what it is today: nude scenes and a lot of blood and graphic deaths. Here's to season 8!

At least they did not show him categorically die. Maybe he slid down with the debris and landed on top.
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Just my $0.02 on a few of your questions:

1. Seems like there's a range of control, that was like a "Sword at the ready" nod, vs. the full on "Hulk smash!" command.

4. I guess we were supposed to take it as a coming to terms in the context of her family (and unborn child) being threatened - but in the end, we know it was another tactical move by Cersei.

6. See below!

7. I don't see how it can't happen, but I'm not convinced The Hound won't be helped or avenged by someone ...

8. I think it's ice, it's cold, it wasn't releasing what looked like heat, but it does have (not unlike the fire), significant concussive energy, it's not like it was melting the wall but cutting through it like a drill.




The music is always very good, but yeah, last night it was an extra level of exceptional.




Totally how we read that as well, but jealously, more of an "Oh jeezus, more of the same ..." (especially with regard to Jamie and Cersei ... yikes ...)

I agree with your interpretation of 1, although I think it was executed in a manner to make the audience feel like a killing blow was to follow that nod.