Game of Thrones (HBO)

[petvas]

S8E4: Spoilers
I did not picture giant mounted arrows calibrated with eyeballs being that accurate. Down to 1 dragon really seems to turn the momentum against Danny. I could say this is not how I expected it to go, but I have already learned this author, at least the frame work of this story is to expect the unexpected. What really bugs me though is after all this build up to OH DRAGONS!!! how they have been vanquished with a whimper.

This season is not based on any book, so I think that the writers of the show screwed it up..

 

[Huntn]

This season is not based on any book, so I think that the writers of the show screwed it up..

My impression, which could be in error, is that the author Martin has provided a story outline to the HBO Producers that describes a conclusion. Now how many liberties HBO is allowed to take is an unknown, and it has been said if the books are ever finished we might see a different ending.

 

[ritmomundo]

My impression, which could be in error, is that the author Martin has provided a story outline to the HBO Producers that describes a conclusion. Now how many liberties HBO is allowed to take is an unknown, and it has been said if the books are ever finished we might see a different ending.

Yep.. from his recent 60 Minutes interview:

“Anderson Cooper: When it was clear they were catching up, you told them a kind of an overarching future of where you saw the last two books going in terms of plot?

George R.R. Martin: Yes. And, you know, the major beats. I mean, obviously, we're talking here about a-- several days of story conferences taking place in my home in Santa Fe, New Mexico. But there's no way to get in all the detail, all the minor characters, all the secondary characters.

Anderson Cooper: I mean, do you worry that some fans will have Dan and David's ending in their mind's eye? Would that be a disappointment to you?

George R.R. Martin: I don't think Dan and Dave's ending is gonna be that different from my ending because of the conversations we-- we did have. But they may be on certain secondary characters, there may be big differences. And, yeah, some of the people will have that. There will be a debate, I'm sure. I think a lot of people, who say, "Oh, Dan and Dave's ending is better than the one George gave us. It's a good thing they changed it." And there will be a lot of people who say, "No. Dan and Dave got it wrong. George's ending is better." And they will all fight on the internet. And there will be debate. And-- that's fine. I mean, it-- you know, the worst thing for any work of art, be it a movie or a book is to be ignored. (LAUGH)”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-wi...e-of-thrones-books-end-60-minutes-2019-04-15/

 

[Bug-Creator]

so I think that the writers of the show screwed it up..

There is no way to not "screw it up" just like there is with ending anything that went on for the long, be a TV series or books.

You gotta come to an end somehow and your options are:

- resolve everything in the last episode (feels crammed)
- resolve major plot lines early one (Night King) and have the last episodes feel "empty"
- don't do a proper ending at all
- don't do a proper ending but time-lapse a few yearsin the last episode to supply some closure (Gotham)

Your free to name any TV series that has done something different and was considered a good ending

 

[petvas]

Breaking Bad and Prison Break.

The problem with Game of Thrones is that suddenly major characters start behaving completely different , I would even say in a way that doesn't fit them at all, so that the chosen ending feels normal. I won't write anything more about the ending, otherwise I will spoil it for you and that's not fair. The Reddit thread explains everything in detail.

 

[Bug-Creator]

Prison Break.

I'm not sure that qualifies, as they had a story for just 1 season which ended pretty much as expected.

They then tacked some more seasons to it, all with their own proper ending and in decreasing quality.


(must admit I haven't gotten around watching the 5 season but given the 8 year break I'd say that would count as a new story spread over just 9 episodes).

 

[Shanghaichica]

Yep.. from his recent 60 Minutes interview:

“Anderson Cooper: When it was clear they were catching up, you told them a kind of an overarching future of where you saw the last two books going in terms of plot?

George R.R. Martin: Yes. And, you know, the major beats. I mean, obviously, we're talking here about a-- several days of story conferences taking place in my home in Santa Fe, New Mexico. But there's no way to get in all the detail, all the minor characters, all the secondary characters.

Anderson Cooper: I mean, do you worry that some fans will have Dan and David's ending in their mind's eye? Would that be a disappointment to you?

George R.R. Martin: I don't think Dan and Dave's ending is gonna be that different from my ending because of the conversations we-- we did have. But they may be on certain secondary characters, there may be big differences. And, yeah, some of the people will have that. There will be a debate, I'm sure. I think a lot of people, who say, "Oh, Dan and Dave's ending is better than the one George gave us. It's a good thing they changed it." And there will be a lot of people who say, "No. Dan and Dave got it wrong. George's ending is better." And they will all fight on the internet. And there will be debate. And-- that's fine. I mean, it-- you know, the worst thing for any work of art, be it a movie or a book is to be ignored. (LAUGH)”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-wi...e-of-thrones-books-end-60-minutes-2019-04-15/

George’s ending will be better because it will make sense. He will take his time to explain how all the characters end up where they are. In the show they are just rushing things to wrap it all up and it doesn’t make sense.

Also Sansa was never in Winterfell getting raped by Ramsey.

I didn’t like the way they disposed of little finger. In the book it would have been more intricate and less predictable.
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Breaking Bad and Prison Break.

The problem with Game of Thrones is that suddenly major characters start behaving completely different , I would even say in a way that doesn't fit them at all, so that the chosen ending feels normal. I won't write anything more about the ending, otherwise I will spoil it for you and that's not fair. The Reddit thread explains everything in detail.

The reddit thread I saw didn’t explain anything. It just said where certain characters would be in a scene but didn’t explain why or what led them to that point. Glad I didn’t read those spoilers then.

 

[petvas]

Did you read the thread I linked to? The thread I read explains most things in detail

 

[Shanghaichica]

Did you read the thread I linked to? The thread I read explains most things in detail

No I didn’t see that one. It just have things like character A and B are in a certain place after character E and F are dead.

Then it said character X kills character Y for some reason but I don’t know why. Very vague. Not even sure if it was true.

 

[petvas]

In the thread I read, there is proper explanation for most actions. I already hate Game of Thrones ending, and I hope that the leaks are not correct.

 

[petvas]

One spoiler I have though that nobody should bother: the next episode will be epic.

 

[yaxomoxay]

So basically anyone else was better than Daenerys.

 

[zmunkz]

Such a shame to see this show play out in the most banal way with none of the seasons-long arcs converging and everything frantically last-minute telegraphed. Tonight’s episode was brilliant, as an episode, but just awful as the penultimate beat in the series.

 

[cdcastillo]

Senseless and unnecessary death, violence and destruction. Not congruent with the characters.

It was epic, yes, but an unsatisfying episode...

 

[Huntn]

S8E5: Spoiler





The Mad Queen... shocking. I’m really not happy with how HBO has run this story from The Long Night. It was deceptive, and a let down. I think I had an expectation problem. It has been uneven and the final battle was no contest, but I was expecting something prophetic, profound, a cliff hanger, after the beating they took at Winterfell. And I think this show illustrates that the most effective dragon have riders...

The short coming of telling this story on TV:

• Daenerys drops the hammer. How did she lose two Dragons?
• Ayra, the Hound, and the Mountain.
• Jamie, and Cersei
• Daenerys snaps, lots of destruction with running around frantically, dancing in the fire.
• Jon realizes that the plan, not his, is now death and destruction.
• Tyrion realizes he messed up, Farris was right.

I do agree with the post analysis that Daneary had enough things turn against her including her love for Jon and her loved assistant murdered that she snapped and became her Father. Now let’s see if she lasts or Jon or Ayra take it from her

 

[zmunkz]

I think I had an expectation problem.

Nah, you didn’t. Epic fantasy makes certain promises to its audience, and good ones deliver on those promises. That danger mentioned in the prologue? That should matter in the climax. The characters we spent years watching grow? Their arcs should follow through. You’re expectations were reasonable. What we have here is a failure to payoff on those early promises.

 

[AustinIllini]

Honestly, I have to put this out there. This show is ****ing stupid now.

So frustrating they took a bunch of good characters, developed them over 6 seasons and then scrambled them all. Terrible.

 

[invisibleshoes]

RIP Jaime's character development.

Also, dragon queen isn't come back from THAT. She has to die now.

 

[zmunkz]

Was that thread someone linked on reddit correct? I didn’t read it but I’m curious if the guy had correct Info after all.

 

[ritmomundo]

Dany : King's Landing :: D&D : Game of Thrones

Honestly, this episode reminded me of the game SimCity where you spend days/weeks building up a marvelously grand city (the show until this season) and then when there's nothing left to do, you start a bunch of natural disasters and riots (sloppy writing) just to watch it burn to the ground.

So disappointing. I just don't have the energy to process this tonight.

 

[petvas]

The leaks were unfortunately 100% true. I hated this episode and I have zero hope for the last one. D&D destroyed Game of Thrones. I think they should really wait until R.R. Martin finished his books and then proceed with the TV show. With no source material D&D proved how bad they are.
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Was that thread someone linked on reddit correct? I didn’t read it but I’m curious if the guy had correct Info after all.

I linked on it and unfortunately it was 100% correct.

 

[smallcoffee]

RIP Jaime's character development.

Also, dragon queen isn't come back from THAT. She has to die now.

Sorry to pick on you out this was the first/shortest comment

This is exactly GoT. He “developed” and then did the most human thing ever. You (not you specifically) wanted this heroic redemption story and you got it, until the last minute when the hero chooses what we the viewers think is the wrong thing. That’s good story telling. Everybody over-analyzing the he said stuff to The Big Woman for all these reasons and you got fooled. You thought there was this hero story - and there wasn’t. He died because all along he loved Cersei and that’s what he realized.

 

[AlliFlowers]

I was disappointed but not disappointed. I did expect a few more surprises, but it really was sloppy. I was actually content that Jaime and Cersei died together with no fanfare, and no one will ever even know where they're buried.

Clegane bowl - exactly what I'd expected. Now THERE was character development.

Arya? WTF? She changes her mind at the last minute and runs away? Then rides out of King's Landing on the last remaining living thing for miles? Please.

Next week may wind up being a battle between Dany and John for control of the dragon. It would be just if Arya kills Dany and then Gendry takes the throne, just like his father took the throne after Jaime killed her father.

At this point my money's on Sansa and Tyrion.

 

[petvas]

Don’t bet your money on them because you will lose.

 

[Strider64]

George R.R. Martin's theme with GOT that no one character is totally good or totally evil (with a few exceptions). This is no spoiler, but take Jamie Lancaster for example. Here's a character that goes from totally despicable to being a person that people were actually rooting for. Jamie was always despicable as if sleeping with your own sister and pushing a kid off a wall isn't proof enough. However Jamie has some good qualities to him that shows up later. It like that with other characters that weren't a totally goodie-two-shoe, but people overlooked the characters evil flaws and only focus on the good.

In any case as long as GOT doesn't have a stupid ending like "The Sopranos" did in my opinion or some kind of bizarre ending like the TV show "St. Elsewhere" had, I don't won't care if it goes out with a whimper.