GOODBYE, APPLE.

[Mactrunk]

Audio production with CPU hungry plugins and VI's.

"Cheese grater" and "Trash can" are not up to my optimal requirements.
No word from Apple.....
Over 30 years with mac and I'm seriously considering jumping.

 

[decafjava]

That said, I'm done with Apple. Just need to put my 2012 MacBook up for sale and I'll be Apple product free.

Well goodbye then, I guess this was your last post on the forum?

 

[mijail]

OK, this is slightly off-topic, but I just had to come ask those Windows apologists.

I am having to use Windows 10 in a VM for a work project; it's my first time with it. And in a couple of days it's getting already hard to stand. This barely-evolved-from-XP RETARDATION of an OS is basically restarting everyday by itself to install updates. And there is NO FRICKING EASILY ACCESSIBLE WAY to stop it from self-restarting??? (And note that I'm including here the, what? 3-different ways of accessing the same settings?) I can't believe it. It's actually funny. I'm having uptimes in Mac OS X and Linux measured in weeks, and this THING by default and without no easy setting just wants to restart like it was 1995.

Look at this poem of a thread. Or this one. Short story: if you use Windows Home, enjoy your mandated daily restarts. If you have Pro or Enterprise, you can use gpedit - but wear a helmet or something. How many Microsoft Certification courses should I have taken to stop my computer from restarting?

It's been the same for about 2 decades now: whenever I somehow have to take a new look at Windows, I end up disgusted. Thank the gods for Apple, Linux and the BSDs.

(oh hey - I just realized. It used to be that I needed to google for a while to know how to configure anything "advanced" in Linux. How things have changed! Now to stop default breakage in Windows I have to google, while Linux can be pretty manageable even offline. Wow!)

 

[ITguy2016]

It's not about not wanting to learn a new OS. Speaking as a professional, I moved away from Windows because the OS started taking control over itself. The auto-updates interrupting work, or requiring frequent maintenance in terms of getting infected with malware and viruses, which requires reinstalling the OS in a lot of cases when you can't un-infect them. Also they tend to be inefficient in even doing simple tasks like saving files to the last directory you were working from as the save as dialog box resets to a default location like your home folder.

As a professional, I don't want to deal with those issues. I want to get work done for my clients. It's why I came to the Mac platform. I'll take a slight performance hit in favor of being more productive, more often. But what I really want is for Apple to cater to pro needs, and not water down it's products for the masses.

How long ago did you move away? Windows has been a great platform for many, many years. I recommend giving it another look (assuming Apple's current offerings aren't meeting your needs and you're looking for an alternative).

 

[bladerunner2000]

Well goodbye then, I guess this was your last post on the forum?

What's with the smarmy reply?

 

[Raddock]

How long ago did you move away? Windows has been a great platform for many, many years. I recommend giving it another look (assuming Apple's current offerings aren't meeting your needs and you're looking for an alternative).

It's been about 10 years. I do occasionally boot into Windows 10 through bootcamp to play some games. I've not had any virus or malware issues, though it happens frequently for my parents and they're both on Windows 10.

I do still see some issues like high res monitor support being terrible...obviously retina doesn't exist, so you need to scale the interface larger, which isn't great for a lot of apps. I also have issues with my 4k monitors in windows as well (flickering, unstable resolution changes, etc), but that might be more of an issue with the Mac video drivers in windows. Also windows still defaults save dialog boxes to the wrong folders, which I find annoying any time I try to use it for work. I would imagine there's a workaround of some kind for this.

But in general it is improved from where it was 10 years ago.

 

[Jack Burton]

Thank you for the response.

It seems that animation seems to benefit a lot from a much beefier computer.

After watching Jonathan Morrison's video on the macbook pro for video editing and watching Dimitri's video from hardwarecanucks, I feel that if you get a macbook at this point, its mainly to use the software meant for it.

It seems that if you want to do things with the adobe suite, it might be best to invest in a more powerful windows laptop.

Mind you, he is a very PC oriented user, a power user for video editing, and a gamer, but he appreciates the apple ecosystem and optimization.

What I'm getting at here is, i think if people claim to be professional, they would learn to use the tools they need whether it is windows, linux, or mac for that matter. Most of my engineering classmates with macs have no problem installing a bootcamp partition on their mac for the needed software, and just do it to be able to get the homework done. So, if you need will do what you have to in order to work professionally you could say.

For those, who speak badly of windows 10, i get that its not as elegant, but at the same time, the filing system isnt that much more different than windows, and just takes a slight adjustment period to get use to it. I use my mac for personal use and school, and my windows desktop for my engineering classes.

My only complaint really about the new macbook pros is that they are very expensive compared to windows alternative with better specs.

I own an old Mac laptop but my main work machine at home is a self built PC tower. I actually don't care about the MBP line. I'm keenly interested in the iMac as a home machine because it could possibly be a jack of all trades. I also want to get back into electronic music, for which an Apple machine and an iPad are quite the potent combo. So adobe suite + C4d + music... I could work on a PC for sure, but man. The impression I had years ago - and still do today - is that macs are significantly more friendly for music and sound work. I could be wrong.

At home I could possibly use an external GPU box on a new thunderbolt 3 iMac. At work, where speed really matters, I could use a windows tower with 6 or more cores and multiple GPUs stuffed in it.

 

[pika2000]

How long ago did you move away? Windows has been a great platform for many, many years. I recommend giving it another look (assuming Apple's current offerings aren't meeting your needs and you're looking for an alternative).

Windows has come a long way, I'll give credit to that. Microsoft managed to make Windows 10 to be faster on netbooks than Windows 7 (even Windows 8 that everybody hated actually has better performance than 7). That's just amazing.

However, it's not really "great." It's "great" simply because it is de-facto choice, the majority. The same old Windows annoyances are still there, like drivers, registry, etc. The reasons I decided to use macOS as my primary OS before and today remains the same, no changes yet on the Windows camp.

 

[tuxon86]

Windows has come a long way, I'll give credit to that. Microsoft managed to make Windows 10 to be faster on netbooks than Windows 7 (even Windows 8 that everybody hated actually has better performance than 7). That's just amazing.

However, it's not really "great." It's "great" simply because it is de-facto choice, the majority. The same old Windows annoyances are still there, like drivers, registry, etc. The reasons I decided to use macOS as my primary OS before and today remains the same, no changes yet on the Windows camp.

... But that freedom from what people around here consider drivers hell comes with the fcat that you don't get any choice in which hardware to run on your Apple system. If Apple put an underperforming GPU in your machine, your are stuck with that for the duration. If there are bugs in the Apple drivers, and there are trust me, and Apple doesn't feel like fixing them soon, then again you are stuck.

Windows is about choice and liberty. Apple is getting more and more to the stage of being "Father knows best" mentality.

 

[ITguy2016]

It's been about 10 years. I do occasionally boot into Windows 10 through bootcamp to play some games. I've not had any virus or malware issues, though it happens frequently for my parents and they're both on Windows 10.

I do still see some issues like high res monitor support being terrible...obviously retina doesn't exist, so you need to scale the interface larger, which isn't great for a lot of apps. I also have issues with my 4k monitors in windows as well (flickering, unstable resolution changes, etc), but that might be more of an issue with the Mac video drivers in windows. Also windows still defaults save dialog boxes to the wrong folders, which I find annoying any time I try to use it for work. I would imagine there's a workaround of some kind for this.

But in general it is improved from where it was 10 years ago.

I'd recommend giving it more than a passing try. Using it day to day is helpful in learning it. It would help you understand that your annoyance of not saving in the last folder doesn't exist (you can try this with Notepad which defaults to the last location you were working with (at least on Windows 2007 and Windows 10). I suspect this is application dependent and therefore not an issue with Windows itself.

 

[pika2000]

... But that freedom from what people around here consider drivers hell comes with the fcat that you don't get any choice in which hardware to run on your Apple system. If Apple put an underperforming GPU in your machine, your are stuck with that for the duration. If there are bugs in the Apple drivers, and there are trust me, and Apple doesn't feel like fixing them soon, then again you are stuck.

Windows is about choice and liberty. Apple is getting more and more to the stage of being "Father knows best" mentality.

Freedom? These are computers. I can install Linux and Windows on my Mac as well if I wanted to.
Nobody's stopping you on going Windows only. If you rather spend your time tinkering with you "freedom," more power to you. I have better uses of my time.

 

[ITguy2016]

Windows has come a long way, I'll give credit to that. Microsoft managed to make Windows 10 to be faster on netbooks than Windows 7 (even Windows 8 that everybody hated actually has better performance than 7). That's just amazing.

However, it's not really "great." It's "great" simply because it is de-facto choice, the majority. The same old Windows annoyances are still there, like drivers, registry, etc. The reasons I decided to use macOS as my primary OS before and today remains the same, no changes yet on the Windows camp.

The whole registry thing is a non-starter. There's nothing wrong with the registry but you guys continue to argue as if there is. As a user you don't need to know or care how Windows stores configuration information. Drivers? What specific issue are you referring to with drivers?
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Freedom? These are computers. I can install Linux and Windows on my Mac as well if I wanted to.
Nobody's stopping you on going Windows only. If you rather spend your time tinkering with you "freedom," more power to you. I have better uses of my time.

I don't spend any time tinkering. What tinkering are you doing?
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... But that freedom from what people around here consider drivers hell comes with the fcat that you don't get any choice in which hardware to run on your Apple system. If Apple put an underperforming GPU in your machine, your are stuck with that for the duration. If there are bugs in the Apple drivers, and there are trust me, and Apple doesn't feel like fixing them soon, then again you are stuck.

Windows is about choice and liberty. Apple is getting more and more to the stage of being "Father knows best" mentality.

Windows offers the user the best of both worlds. Don't want to deal with drivers? Buy a pre-built system from any number of vendors. Want the flexibility then buy your own parts and build it yourself. Then there's everything in between. The PC is about flexibility but it you want to hand it over to a vendor like you do with Apple that's an option.

 

[pika2000]

The whole registry thing is a non-starter. There's nothing wrong with the registry but you guys continue to argue as if there is. As a user you don't need to know or care how Windows stores configuration information. Drivers? What specific issue are you referring to with drivers?
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I don't spend any time tinkering. What tinkering are you doing?

There's nothing wrong with the registry? Even Windows evangelists recognize the weakness of the registry. When something simple like wanting to disable the Xbox game bar (it's turned on by default, and going to the settings via its app requires an xbox account) without an Xbox account requires a registry edit, there's something wrong.

 

[ITguy2016]

There's nothing wrong with the registry? Even Windows evangelists recognize the weakness of the registry. When something simple like wanting to disable the Xbox game bar (it's turned on by default, and going to the settings via its app requires an xbox account) without an Xbox account requires a registry edit, there's something wrong.

How is this an issue with the registry?

 

[pika2000]

How is this an issue with the registry?

Ok, fair point. The registry itself has legacy issues, but I guess I should re-word mine. The issue is that there are settings that would require users to dig into the registry, and these are basic settings like the one I mentioned.

You know what, I use Windows as well. I have the Surface Pro 4. I use Mac as my primary OS though. If you are a Windows evangelist, more power to you, but I don't see why you have to be one in a Mac forum.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Apple, you've proven that you have zero respect for the professional filmmaking community. We would have NEEDED a new Mac Pro tower if you really expected us to stay with you. Good riddance.

I know professionals in public TV who use iMacs. Not sure why you need a Mac Pro for filmmaking. Just saying. In understand that there is an interest but I am not sure if filmmakers have the most demanding needs.

 

[Hank Carter]

I know professionals in public TV who use iMacs. Not sure why you need a Mac Pro for filmmaking. Just saying. In understand that there is an interest but I am not sure if filmmakers have the most demanding needs.

You need a lot of CPU power to process Quicktime out of an editing package and this is a task can't be offload to the GPU. The iMac really doesn't have the raw processing power and due to the poor ventilation of the case gets hot and throttles. Yes, you can cut on the iMac, but it's an entry level system with drawbacks.

 

[ITguy2016]

Ok, fair point. The registry itself has legacy issues, but I guess I should re-word mine. The issue is that there are settings that would require users to dig into the registry, and these are basic settings like the one I mentioned.

What are the legacy issues? As for the rewording the example you provided has nothing to do with the registry or Windows. It has everything to do with the application developer not providing a user friendly way to disable a feature you want to disable therefore requiring a technical solution to the issue. This is an application issue, not a registry or Windows issue.

You know what, I use Windows as well. I have the Surface Pro 4. I use Mac as my primary OS though. If you are a Windows evangelist, more power to you, but I don't see why you have to be one in a Mac forum.

I am not an Windows evangelist. I am merely calling out misinformation provided by those who are either ignorant of or intentionally providing misinformation about Windows.

Why am I doing so in a Mac forum? Because that's where it is occurring and it's being done in response to people stating they may move to Windows due to Apple's stale product line. These people should not be dissuaded from considering Windows based on incorrect information.

 

[ssgbryan]

It's clear that Apple has minimal interest in being competitive in the pro market as it doesn't produce that much money for them. Go to another brand it affects your time and money. It's a tool at the end of the day.

That being said, don't be angry at the Apple for trying to be profitable to the masses or luxury lines. I don't complain that Honda doesn't create a specific car model with the performance and price that I want. I just make do with what's available or go with another brand. I might go with a Hackintosh as my next Mac mini when mine dies.

To be honest, the only reason why I continue to stay with Apple for my family is for the retail support at the Apple stores. No other brand allows me to drop in and troubleshoot any problem. My father-in-law has a 5 year old MBA out of warranty. They worked on the problem for 1.5 hours, fix the problem and replaced the power adaptor all for free.

Personally, I prefer Dell or HP sending a technician to the house, myself.
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I'm not sure what programs everyone uses here that needs the power of 12+ core workstations, but I just needed to move to windows for the other half of my classes due to Autodesk inventor not being offered for Mac.

Anybody who's workflow is based on cores. For me, it's Poser - it's a very low end 3d art program. It will use all of the cores and ram I can throw at it, come render time - as will Vue. And then there are the 1/2 dozen products that are also running at the same time for other parts of the workflow - Zbrush, Photoshop, etc.

 

[tuxon86]

Freedom? These are computers. I can install Linux and Windows on my Mac as well if I wanted to.
Nobody's stopping you on going Windows only. If you rather spend your time tinkering with you "freedom," more power to you. I have better uses of my time.

But you can't change the hardware... Hence you have less choice and freedom.
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Ok, fair point. The registry itself has legacy issues, but I guess I should re-word mine. The issue is that there are settings that would require users to dig into the registry, and these are basic settings like the one I mentioned.

You know what, I use Windows as well. I have the Surface Pro 4. I use Mac as my primary OS though. If you are a Windows evangelist, more power to you, but I don't see why you have to be one in a Mac forum.

Macs run windows too...

 

[threesixty360]

OK, this is slightly off-topic, but I just had to come ask those Windows apologists.

I am having to use Windows 10 in a VM for a work project; it's my first time with it. And in a couple of days it's getting already hard to stand. This barely-evolved-from-XP RETARDATION of an OS is basically restarting everyday by itself to install updates. And there is NO FRICKING EASILY ACCESSIBLE WAY to stop it from self-restarting??? (And note that I'm including here the, what? 3-different ways of accessing the same settings?) I can't believe it. It's actually funny. I'm having uptimes in Mac OS X and Linux measured in weeks, and this THING by default and without no easy setting just wants to restart like it was 1995.

Look at this poem of a thread. Or this one. Short story: if you use Windows Home, enjoy your mandated daily restarts. If you have Pro or Enterprise, you can use gpedit - but wear a helmet or something. How many Microsoft Certification courses should I have taken to stop my computer from restarting?

It's been the same for about 2 decades now: whenever I somehow have to take a new look at Windows, I end up disgusted. Thank the gods for Apple, Linux and the BSDs.

(oh hey - I just realized. It used to be that I needed to google for a while to know how to configure anything "advanced" in Linux. How things have changed! Now to stop default breakage in Windows I have to google, while Linux can be pretty manageable even offline. Wow!)

this crap happened to me as well on my parrallels vm. Just went to use the damn thing and it was "restarting" with forced updates. I couldn't believe it! Who would make a system that did that by default? What weird twisted person would do that? What if I desperately needed a phone number or whatever that was on the computer at that very moment? Utterly irresponsible.

And people wonder why I buy Mac's. Its not for hardware (although thats nice), its the f*cking OS. It fits me. I dont care how slow it may be or how uncompetitive in specs it may become (I've lived the G4/G5 undepowered thing). I just cant do windows for my personal stuff. MS are just weird. Weird decisions. Weird way of thinking. Cant do it to myself.

 

[ITguy2016]

this crap happened to me as well on my parrallels vm. Just went to use the damn thing and it was "restarting" with forced updates. I couldn't believe it! Who would make a system that did that by default? What weird twisted person would do that? What if I desperately needed a phone number or whatever that was on the computer at that very moment? Utterly irresponsible.

And people wonder why I buy Mac's. Its not for hardware (although thats nice), its the f*cking OS. It fits me. I dont care how slow it may be or how uncompetitive in specs it may become (I've lived the G4/G5 undepowered thing). I just cant do windows for my personal stuff. MS are just weird. Weird decisions. Weird way of thinking. Cant do it to myself.

While I disagree with Microsoft's decision to force updates on most end users I think many are blowing this way out of proportion. You can change the active hours which will prevent Windows from restarting your PC while you're using it.

 

[JimGoshorn]

Short story: if you use Windows Home, enjoy your mandated daily restarts. If you have Pro or Enterprise, you can use gpedit - but wear a helmet or something. How many Microsoft Certification courses should I have taken to stop my computer from restarting?

My significant other uses a Dell 2 in 1 laptop with Windows 10 and she has updates come through mostly on Tuesday evening and she isn't complaining to me about restarts. She is definitely not a computer savvy person so I am her tech support. Since I am becoming familiar with windows by using her laptop for now so I don't know where all the update settings are but I do know that neither of us changed them from however they were set initially.

 

[threesixty360]

While I disagree with Microsoft's decision to force updates on most end users I think many are blowing this way out of proportion. You can change the active hours which will prevent Windows from restarting your PC while you're using it.

I know that now. The point is I didn't have a clue it was going to do it in the first place. The DEFAULT behaviour is to just do it when it wants. That's just crazy. I had visual studio running and stuff, and it just quit it and restarted the machine. That's terrible design.

The mac would never shut down one of your apps automatically without telling you to do an update. This windows 10 and 8 as well are the first OS's where it really don't feel you are in control of the thing out the gate. Just does what it wants.

All this because the virus situation is so out of hand on the windows that they have to force you to update at every opportunity. Nuts.

 

[ITguy2016]

I know that now. The point is I didn't have a clue it was going to do it in the first place. The DEFAULT behaviour is to just do it when it wants. That's just crazy. I had visual studio running and stuff, and it just quit it and restarted the machine. That's terrible design.

The mac would never shut down one of your apps automatically without telling you to do an update. This windows 10 and 8 as well are the first OS's where it really don't feel you are in control of the thing out the gate. Just does what it wants.

All this because the virus situation is so out of hand on the windows that they have to force you to update at every opportunity. Nuts.

So there's a solution to the issue and you're still faulting Windows? For the record I've never had this happen to me. I've never lost work due to a Windows reboot nor have I had it suddenly just restart while I'm working on it.