GOODBYE, APPLE.

[throAU]

WAAAHH WAAAHH

Expect a Mac Pro update when there is a socket 2011 Xeon + chipset with thunderbolt 3 support. Right now, there isn't one. Broadwell-E is the current socket 2011 platform and it doesn't have it.

Yes it sucks there isn't anything new, and the video cards suck in it, but Apple aren't going to do a major revision just yet because the significant step for CPU in that socket just isn't there.

 

[mijail]

At least educate yourself on how windows updates work...
A few forum post from dumb people on the internet don't prove much.

Of course it does! It proves that it's retarded to have Windows restart by itself; it proves that people are looking for solutions and having problems finding them (even on technet.microsoft.com - is that what you meant with "dumb people"?); and it proves the state of denial in which Windowstards live.

Will you tell me now that it's as easy as changing some registry key? Or as Bing-ing a bit? Or knowing just this tool or forum which maybe work for the current build of Windows 10 Whatever Edition but which might stop working on the next update?

 

[ITguy2016]

WAAAHH WAAAHH

Expect a Mac Pro update when there is a socket 2011 Xeon + chipset with thunderbolt 3 support. Right now, there isn't one. Broadwell-E is the current socket 2011 platform and it doesn't have it.

Yes it sucks there isn't anything new, and the video cards suck in it, but Apple aren't going to do a major revision just yet because the significant step for CPU in that socket just isn't there.

Why does it have to be a major revision? Is it not acceptable to perform incremental updates? An incremental update should be simple for Apple. What are the negatives of updating the Mac Pro to the latest processors? The latest graphics technology?

 

[AidenShaw]

WAAAHH WAAAHH

Expect a Mac Pro update when there is a socket 2011 Xeon + chipset with thunderbolt 3 support. Right now, there isn't one. Broadwell-E is the current socket 2011 platform and it doesn't have it.

Yes it sucks there isn't anything new, and the video cards suck in it, but Apple aren't going to do a major revision just yet because the significant step for CPU in that socket just isn't there.

There's no Xeon chipset with T-Bolt 2 support, but that doesn't seem to be a problem for the MP6,1.

 

[ITguy2016]

There's no Xeon chipset with T-Bolt 2 support, but that doesn't seem to be a problem for the MP6,1.

Exactly what I was thinking. Apple hasn't let things like this stop them in the past.

 

[Hank Carter]

First few days on Win10 Pro since my workstation arrived. So, far it's been trouble free. As a matter of fact and I can't believe I'm typing this but there is a lot to like about Win10 Pro. I turned off all of the data mining and advertising from the MS store and so far so good. Cortana alone is very impressive and makes Siri look,... well never mind. Seriously, MS has come a long, long, long way in the past few years. You look at this system and you can see that the design team put some serious thought into this. It's even more astonishing when you take into account that not only did they have to undo the mess that was 8.1, but also clean up all the legacy crap accumulated under Balmer.

Don't get me wrong. It still is Windows, but this time it actually works and some of it is pretty damn cool. At my day jobs I've used Windows since 3,1 / NT4.0 and Macs since the 1980's and this is an entirely new ballgame. I almost can't believe what I am seeing.

 

[iMcLovin]

First few days on Win10 since my workstation arrived. So, far it's been trouble free. As a matter of fact and I can't believe I'm saying this there is a lot to like about Win10 Pro. I turned off all of the data mining and advertising from the MS store and so far so good. Cortana alone is very impressive and makes Siri look,... well never mind. Seriously, MS has come a long, long, long way in the past few years. You look at this system and you can see that the design team put some serious thought into this. It's even more astonishing when you take into account that not only did they have to undo the mess that was 8.1, but also clean up all the legacy crap accumulated under Balmer.

Don't get me wrong. It still is Windows, but this time it actually works and some of it is pretty damn cool. At my day jobs I've used Windows since 3,1 / NT4.0 and Macs since the 1980's and this is an entirely new ballgame. I almost can't believe what I am seeing.

I agree with you. the cleanliness and fresh feeling of the Mac OS which made me switch doesn't have the lead above Windows 10 it used to have....for me at least. Windows 10 even has a few features I'm happier with than Mac OS. I don't understand why so many Mac users are so reluctant to try it out. The fact that you can choose WHATEVER kind of Hardware you like, you have complete freedom to build the fastest machine you want with the whole Hardware market at your disposal. And it only takes you a few hours of you tube to learn how. Or buy a custom built machine from multiple vendors that can build you what you like. The amount of programs, plugins, add-ons and games available for windows is an Ocean compared to the puddle on the Mac. I'm even surprised to see that some of the things on my windows machine performs more reliable than the custom built mac machines (such as bluetooth and Wi-fi connection).
All of this wasn't a big deal for me before, because the macs were always good enough, even if it wasn't the latest and greatest hardware...but that gap has become loo huge. Now Im like a kid, all ready considering what I will add to my machine next year, just because I finally can add stuff as I please Probably I will migrate my OS partition to a M.2 2tb SSD with 3500/2100 Mbps Yummy!

 

[Chancha]

I guess a big part of the reluctance is fear and laziness. Most professionals are probably competent enough to pull a switch as long as they spend a few nights of reading, but if what has worked is still working, there is not enough drive to push that.

But Apple has put itself in a position to force users like these to switch. The staggering state of workstation class hardware from Apple is killing the Pros. In my lines of work, I have used Quicksilver G4, dual core G5, then 8 core cMP, and none of these companies I worked in went on to switch to nMP. The trash can design went full retard by taking away expansion possibilities, which would require frequent update to the base config for a new purchase to stay current, and (un)ironically Apple decided to let it as if for 3 years straight, and has the face to increase the price for UK/EU now. For any computer that you dare to call a OS X workstation, it is most likely a hackintosh, and the price of a a maxed iMac 5K is enough to buy you one that out-performs the nMP by large margin.

Personally, I myself has only been a owner of prosumer Macs in the past, but that is mainly due to my preference of form factor in a 12-13" laptop, so I went from an iBook G3 > Alum PM G4 > Black MB > unibody MBP, compromising power for portability. The new 2016 MBP form factor does strike my cord, I am considering upgrade to the 13" touch bar, but the compromising in power is larger than it was before. As it stands, when I look at the price tag of a fully decked out 13" MBP vs its specs, my finger just refuses to click checkout as the sea of better spec'd windows 10 laptops flashes in my mind, and they pretty much all costs less.

 

[Roykor]

Apple, you've proven that you have zero respect for the professional filmmaking community. We would have NEEDED a new Mac Pro tower if you really expected us to stay with you. Good riddance.

I switched to an PC 2 months ago. And men, i have so much raw power under the mouseclicks, it flyes circles around the most 6 and 8 core badd ass Mac pro, backwards with only one wing.

W10 took me 2 days to adept.

I was afraid. yes. But it is my best choice in years!

ps, i spend half the green. That was a nice bonus. I treated myself a Dell 34" wide screen monitor.

 

[Anim]

I would rather get a single GTX 1080 GPU Upgrade in my nMP but that's wishful thinking, Apple know I would bootcamp it.

As a long term Mac fan/developer I am starting to get fed up with the lackluster hardware and drivers on the mac pro desktop. Funny thing is, I read in this thread that somebody referred to the new iMac by Microsoft. It is true, that machine by MS looks stunning and ready to snatch plenty of Apple customers who buy for trend/innovation.

Hell, I even had to install a user modified driver on my nMP just to get the latest AMD drivers running (mXDriver) for a massive boost in performance. Apple have left the building.

 

[ITguy2016]

I agree with you. the cleanliness and fresh feeling of the Mac OS which made me switch doesn't have the lead above Windows 10 it used to have....for me at least. Windows 10 even has a few features I'm happier with than Mac OS. I don't understand why so many Mac users are so reluctant to try it out. The fact that you can choose WHATEVER kind of Hardware you like, you have complete freedom to build the fastest machine you want with the whole Hardware market at your disposal. And it only takes you a few hours of you tube to learn how. Or buy a custom built machine from multiple vendors that can build you what you like. The amount of programs, plugins, add-ons and games available for windows is an Ocean compared to the puddle on the Mac. I'm even surprised to see that some of the things on my windows machine performs more reliable than the custom built mac machines (such as bluetooth and Wi-fi connection).
All of this wasn't a big deal for me before, because the macs were always good enough, even if it wasn't the latest and greatest hardware...but that gap has become loo huge. Now Im like a kid, all ready considering what I will add to my machine next year, just because I finally can add stuff as I please Probably I will migrate my OS partition to a M.2 2tb SSD with 3500/2100 Mbps Yummy!

Ignorance and misinformation are two key reasons. I also somewhat agree with Chancha about laziness however I'm not sure I would call it being lazy if Apple's offerings are working for the user. I'm of the mindset of use what works best for you and, for many Mac users, Apple's current offerings still meet their needs (even if many of them are stale). Even the nMP is a suitable system for many of its current users.

Unfortunately there are a subset of Mac Pro users who need the capabilities of a more capable system than Apple is currently offering. For these people their options are to settle with something less suitable or move to alternatives. Given the Mac Pro cannot be upgraded combined with the fact Apple hasn't seen fit to update it in almost three years the prospect of moving to an alternative becomes more and more attractive with each passing month.

Hopefully Apple will update all their other Macintosh offerings and, more importantly, commit to more consistent updates going forward.

 

[koyoot]

In the topic Windows vs macOS. First rule of marketing: People are buying feelings, not products. Its how the product feels makes a difference in perception. And nobody cannot deny that macOS feels much better than Windows. More refined, logical, simpler to use. Natural. That has not changed for eons. For both OS'es!

Windows still feels clunky and unrefined. It has features, that are better than on macOS, but they still feel like ... added not as an evolutionary, natural feature, but added just for to be there. That is the whole problem with the OS.

As a user of both systems, and I can compare them directly, one by one I genuinely suggest anyone to try both systems, and compare the feeling that both systems make.

 

[Roykor]

In the topic Windows vs macOS. First rule of marketing: People are buying feelings, not products. Its how the product feels makes a difference in perception. And nobody cannot deny that macOS feels much better than Windows. More refined, logical, simpler to use. Natural. That has not changed for eons. For both OS'es!

Windows still feels clunky and unrefined. It has features, that are better than on macOS, but they still feel like ... added not as an evolutionary, natural feature, but added just for to be there. That is the whole problem with the OS.

As a user of both systems, and I can compare them directly, one by one I genuinely suggest anyone to try both systems, and compare the feeling that both systems make.

Well, i am in W10 for two months now, and its a great experience so far. I was afraid, beacuse those rants like this how good MacOS is and Windows is not. But it was a big relief, so far i am a happy user. In the end, it must do a job. And when it does it much faster than any mac i can buy, it will be my tool.

 

[koyoot]

Well, i am in W10 for two months now, and its a great experience so far. I was afraid, beacuse those rants like this how good MacOS is and Windows is not. But it was a big relief, so far i am a happy user. In the end, it must do a job. And when it does it much faster than any mac i can buy, it will be my tool.

Lets get back to the first rule of marketing. People are buying feelings, not products. Why have you bought Windows 10? What was the reason behind it? How was it supposed to feel?

 

[Chancha]

To elaborate a bit what I meant by "laziness": the state of Mac hardware should give a Pro user a clear sign of where Apple is heading, if the user's workflow will benefit by, if not straight out require running on faster hardware, the user should seriously consider the switch. But over the years (decades) of Mac OS usage, many of us sat deep into the comfort zone, despite being fully aware of something is better out there, we never took the initiative to educate ourselves on what exactly is out there, and specifically how to get there.

I do agree with the notion that if something ain't broke, don't fix it, and of course no need to replace it. If a video editor or a book publisher is still being productive on his nMP or even an iMac, all power to him. But when the machine at hand is slogging you down, when the current or even future offering from Apple does not give considerable upgrade, it should raise a red flag for any professional whose livelihood depends on the machine. Insisting to stay within an ecosphere due to sheer habit or emotion is exactly the one thing that Apple relies on which to sell us their current "Pro" machines. I think it all comes down to whether or not a professional manages to see the computer as a central hub for his set of tools, that and only that without any emotional attachment to it.

 

[Ethosik]

Well, i am in W10 for two months now, and its a great experience so far. I was afraid, beacuse those rants like this how good MacOS is and Windows is not. But it was a big relief, so far i am a happy user. In the end, it must do a job. And when it does it much faster than any mac i can buy, it will be my tool.

Until the Start Menu fails to open up which has happened to me on a FEW computers. Or until the next big Windows update causes issues with your webcam. Or when you got to work and surprise surprise you need to wait an hour for the big update to run.

Look, I was all for Windows 10 at the time it was released. I even spend $600 for two copies. But the latest updates and breaking stuff that existing computers with Windows 10 have been able to run without issues just gives me a bad taste. Windows 7 was the last good OS Microsoft released.

 

[koyoot]

Until the Start Menu fails to open up which has happened to me on a FEW computers. Or until the next big Windows update causes issues with your webcam. Or when you got to work and surprise surprise you need to wait an hour for the big update to run.

Look, I was all for Windows 10 at the time it was released. I even spend $600 for two copies. But the latest updates and breaking stuff that existing computers with Windows 10 have been able to run without issues just gives me a bad taste. Windows 7 was the last good OS Microsoft released.

I would not say that 7 was last good OS, I think 10 is better, and possibly best OS Microsoft has ever developed, however what you have described is the "clunkiness" which is inherently built in to Windows OS.

 

[ITguy2016]

In the topic Windows vs macOS. First rule of marketing: People are buying feelings, not products. Its how the product feels makes a difference in perception. And nobody cannot deny that macOS feels much better than Windows. More refined, logical, simpler to use. Natural. That has not changed for eons. For both OS'es!

Windows still feels clunky and unrefined. It has features, that are better than on macOS, but they still feel like ... added not as an evolutionary, natural feature, but added just for to be there. That is the whole problem with the OS.

As a user of both systems, and I can compare them directly, one by one I genuinely suggest anyone to try both systems, and compare the feeling that both systems make.

Here we go with the misinformation. How an OS "feels" is entirely subjective. I know many, many people who believe Windows feels better than macOS. As there is no objective measure for "feel" your statement is based on emotion and no supportable facts.

 

[Ethosik]

I would not say that 7 was last good OS, I think 10 is better, and possibly best OS Microsoft has ever developed, however what you have described is the "clunkiness" which is inherently built in to Windows OS.

I have never had the start menu fail to open on Windows 7 before. Even Windows 8.0/8.1. I also get a bunch of errors every time I shut down my computer, even after a reinstall of the OS.

 

[ITguy2016]

Until the Start Menu fails to open up which has happened to me on a FEW computers. Or until the next big Windows update causes issues with your webcam. Or when you got to work and surprise surprise you need to wait an hour for the big update to run.

macOS doesn't have any issues? All these problems I've been reading about problems are...what...mental exercises? As for the "hour for the big update to run" do you mean the 800MB + macOS update I installed on my new iMac which took over 45 minutes?

Believe it or not macOS has its issues just like Windows.

Look, I was all for Windows 10 at the time it was released. I even spend $600 for two copies. But the latest updates and breaking stuff that existing computers with Windows 10 have been able to run without issues just gives me a bad taste. Windows 7 was the last good OS Microsoft released.

You spent $600 on two copies of Windows 10? Why...at the time it was a free upgrade. As for the issues again I ask you: macOS has never caused problems for anyone?

 

[Ethosik]

macOS doesn't have any issues? All these problems I've been reading about problems are...what...mental exercises? As for the "hour for the big update to run" do you mean the 800MB + macOS update I installed on my new iMac which took over 45 minutes?

Believe it or not macOS has its issues just like Windows.


You spent $600 on two copies of Windows 10? Why...at the time it was a free upgrade. As for the issues again I ask you: macOS has never caused problems for anyone?

Did I say macOS was error free? No. But I have never had the dock in a broken state. Or fails to open programs. All the issues I have had with Windows 10 are far more than the issues I have had with mac since Snow Leopard. I use both 75/25 (in favor of Windows due to work).

Windows 10 1511 took about an hour to run on my 700GB SSD. It did a complete OS upgrade instead of a simple update like usual. If I do not want to upgrade to Sierra, I do not have to. I am encouraged, but not required. With Windows 10, you are REQUIRED to update to the latest build after several months.

 

[ITguy2016]

Did I say macOS was error free? No. But I have never had the dock in a broken state. Or fails to open programs. All the issues I have had with Windows 10 are far more than the issues I have had with mac since Snow Leopard. I use both 75/25 (in favor of Windows due to work).

If it is not your intent to imply macOS is without error then why are you bringing up errors with Windows? For the record I have never had a problem with the Start Menu on any of my Windows systems.

Windows 10 1511 took about an hour to run on my 700GB SSD. It did a complete OS upgrade instead of a simple update like usual. If I do not want to upgrade to Sierra, I do not have to. I am encouraged, but not required. With Windows 10, you are REQUIRED to update to the latest build after several months.

The update I did on my iMac was just that...an update made available through the App Store. 800+ megabytes which took approximately 45 minutes. Having said that what is the your point about upgrades?

 

[mijail]

OH HAI GUYS

I just found another lovely feature of Windows 10: the uninstallable "Get Office" spam app!
(well, you can uninstall it, it just comes back automatically! It's like, dunno, an STI? Not that I ever had an STI, you know... well, apart from Windows! Does Windows count as an STI? If it does, then yes, I have one (( )

 

[Hank Carter]

OH HAI GUYS

I just found another lovely feature of Windows 10: the uninstallable "Get Office" spam app! (well, you can uninstall it, it just comes back automatically! It's like, dunno, an STI? Not that I ever had an STI, you know... well, apart from Windows! Does Windows count as an STI? If it does, then yes, I have one (( )

Is it as annoying as Apple haunting me at every turn to sign up for their music subscription service?

 

[flat five]

heh.. mac users that don't switch to windows are ignorant & lazy & scared & misinformed ?

why does it even matter to you all? worry about yourself(s).. doing all this finger pointing towards other's choices in their computers is painting you in a negative light.. not them.. it's backfiring.