There are annoyances on both platforms and anyone looking at each objectively would see that. The types of annoyances one is willing to accept is really up to their preferences.
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I don't know, I only saw it once I think? So you tell me: does Apple haunt you every day even if you don't open any music application, and reinstalls automatically the application that generates those spammy messages, so the only way to stop the spam is to leave the app installed but disable the notifications? (huh, doesn't sound like a definition for malware?)
If that is what it does, then yes, it is as annoying as Microsoft's.
BUT WAIT! I just got off my lazy ass to disable all those crap tiles flashing in the humongous start menu from when I installed this. Turns out that I have to disable them ONE BY ONE!
If someone told me this, I would think they are making this up! It's like when previous Windows came full of crapware needing uninstalling - but here it all comes embedded, so plain reinstalling won't help! Oh joy!
Then compare for me which car would you rather have? Maclaren 650S or Ferrari 488GTB?
In every scientific and measurable way Maclaren is much better car, it will even do 30 MPG, compared to 20 MPG on Ferrari. But it lacks the feeling that the car "gives" you, while owning it. Both cars are equally brilliant. But the feel of Ferrari is undeniably "better".
You want to just quantify everything to prove your point of view. The numbers in Windows add up. The numbers in macOS add up. The problem is this: the numbers in Windows do not add up to anything, while in macOS they do. That has not changed for eons, and it is still the same matter.
Do not get me wrong. I have said this many times before, Windows 10 is brilliant OS, it is the best Microsoft came up with in their whole history. But the same problem - the feel of the os - stays the same. If you expect only basic things from Windows - fair enough. If you want also the simplicity, the feel, the non-clunkiness from the OS, the ease of use - macOS is still miles in front of Windows in this matter. Performance - well, I just built up for me, after few weeks of thinking low-powered high performance E-Sports 1080p gaming rig with 35W i7-6700T CPU and 75W GTX 1050 Ti.
And my everyday driver still is macOS, while to gaming rig I turn only for the gaming sessions.
Best of both worlds. Thats why I hope that Metal software will explode, and Apple will finally make it to work properly, at very decent performance level compared to Windows. Thats when I will finally be able to ditch the Windows completely, for gaming and professional needs.
Because at some point, if you are running Windows 10, you NEED to use the latest build. If a program does not work on macOS Sierra, you can stay on the older version. I liked Windows 10 at launch, but it has become very messy and more buggier with the new updates.
All of this is nothing more than your opinion. The car example is a reasonable one: I drive a BMW (The Ultimate Driving Machine) and a turbo charged Subaru. The BMW is a great driving car. The Subaru is a great driving car. I can tell the difference between the two but both are a blast to drive. They each have their strengths and they each have their weaknesses. Neither is better than the other. Which one someone chooses is, like an operating system, up to an individuals preferences.
Unless you can show some objective data supporting macOS is better than Windows all your providing is preferences. I cannot say any persons preferences are wrong. Neither can you.
You see, that is YOUR problem. You truly believe that everybody is claiming that Windows 10 is rubbish system. As I have said, it is not. Stop trying to prove to everyone that Windows 10 is not rubbish, and read what I write.
Yes, it is my opinion. Just the same as your opinion, that Windows 10 is not rubbish.
The best car analogy. Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione. Suspention from mid 50's, wooden steering feel, terrible handling. But the car is so beautiful, you want to die for it. That is an analogy to macOS. Even with its weakness, you love its ease of use, simplicity, logic. As for Windows 10 its that Maclaren 650S. Nothing wrong with it. But every fault and you will want to kill the designers of it. Thats what is making the difference. I cannot give you simpler analogy for this if you do not use both systems.
P.S. If you like so much Windows, and see it as a better option what are you doing here, other than validating your agenda in the eyes of readers? This is exactly the point of Flat Five post: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/goodbye-apple.2009741/page-26#post-23914375
1st: Mac also run windows, so it's quite appropriate to talk about it especially in the mac pro section.
2nd: You're not a Mod, you don't get to decide who can post or not.
3rd: Citing Flat Five as a reference is just about the stupidest thing someone on this forum can do as the guy is a certified troll.
4th: Take a modesty pill. Your opinion aren't worth all that much even if you believe that they do. They have exactly the same worth as everybody else opinions.
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When you fingerpoint one finger towards someone else, there'll always be three fingers pointing in your own direction!
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1. Mac with Windows feels even more clunky, and awkward than PC. If you do not believe, buy a Mac and install, and use both systems on the same computer.
2. I wasn't saying that. Like always, you have not read properly my intention there.
3. Looks like people are tending to agree with him, and this particular post. Maybe you do not?
4. Maybe you should also take chill pill? I know that, actually. Maybe your interpretation of my words is incorrect. Have you ever thought about this?
Does Apple often announce desktops and laptops at the same event? Maybe they are waiting for something special from Intel *shrug*.
1. I've been doing just that for years. I even get better performance on Windows.
2. Every time you get called on it you skate pass the puck and score in your own net.
3. It's the same guy who try to tell people in the mac pro section that don't need more than 16gb of ram...
4. No, I understand you perfectly and many other here also. Your schtick is getting old.
1. Performance is not everything. I suggest reading my posts of car analogies, maybe 150 times. Then maybe you will understand.
2. Show me where I was caught on this? I have not seen evidence. Maybe you are making it up?
3. I do not care about what he has been saying before, in the context of what he has said here. If I would use your analogy, I would say that you should shut up because in past you have said stupid things, as well. But on the contrary I respect your value added to this forum.
4. If you say so, then prove me this. Because its you who are contntly alluding that I have been caught on something, on which I have not seen proofs.
In your opinion. To others it might not be. Since "better" is defined by each individual you cannot say one is "better" than the other.
You have to quantify it if you're going to say x is better than y. If you're unable to quantify something and base said statement on personal preferences then you cannot make said statement.
You keep saying Windows is "brilliant" but then continuously go on to keep faulting it. Why?
Great! I'm happy for you. And?
Best of both worlds. Thats why I hope that Metal software will explode, and Apple will finally make it to work properly, at very decent performance level compared to Windows. Thats when I will finally be able to ditch the Windows completely, for gaming and professional needs.[/QUOTE]
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I don't recall ever having said Windows is a better option. To do so would be applying my preferences to everyone else. That is just as wrong as what you've been doing by applying yours to everyone else.
As to why I'm here that's simple: I am a Macintosh user. I own, by far, many more Macs than I do Windows systems. I use both regularly therefore I know both. So why am I "defending" Windows? Simple: There are people in this forum who are contemplating a move away from the Macintosh platform due to Apple's stale hardware offerings. Since several posters to this forum have place Windows in a bad light I feel it is appropriate to correct the misinformation and call out comments which are nothing more then personal preference.
If you prefer the Macintosh platform then by all means use it and enjoy it. However if someone is interested in moving away from the Macintosh platform then I feel it appropriate they do so on accurate, objective information from free misinformation and personal opinion (which tends to lead to the former).
So I ask this again. Do you use both systems everyday?
I do. And No, I do not see faults in W10, apart from that it is made of bits and pieces that are not adding up to end user experience. It is the exact point I am making that you cannot understand. If you quantify and evaluate OS just on performance, macOS is behind W10 quite dramatically. But if you judge whole system as a user experience. That is what makes the biggest difference, when all of the things you value add up. Simplicity, ease of use, logic, non-clunkiness. That is what differs both OS'es. If you do not use both of them you will not understand what I am writing, the same as the car analogy I have provided.
Why it took you so long to word in this way? It would be much simpler. There is no need to defend the Windows.
However I will ask this other way. Do you feel that Windows is more logical, easier to use, simpler and is less clunky than macOS?
For example. Every hardware peripheral that I own, works with Mac automatically, the system even automatically downloads the drivers for the hardware. On Windows side, yes it also downloads the drivers, but sometimes you have to troubleshoot, and force it to work, rather than: "just work".
Thats what I mean by non-clunkiness of macOS. I will add, that all of the peripherals work both with Windows and macOS.
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Yes, I use both every day. I own 14 Mac systems and 4 Windows systems. The Mac systems are running everything from Panther up to macOS. I am not anti-Macintosh.
I am not asking you to quantify macOS or Windows on performance. I am asking you to quantity each based on user experience because that's where you continue to say macOS excels and Windows falls behind. So far you have yet to do so. I suspect you never will. Why? Because you can't...user experience is subjective. Just as in your car example. One car cannot drive better than another because drive better is in the eye of the beholder. The same applies to the user experience of an operating system.
From post #593 made last Thursday afternoon:
I am not an Windows evangelist. I am merely calling out misinformation provided by those who are either ignorant of or intentionally providing misinformation about Windows.
Why am I doing so in a Mac forum? Because that's where it is occurring and it's being done in response to people stating they may move to Windows due to Apple's stale product line. These people should not be dissuaded from considering Windows based on incorrect information.
Why am I doing so in a Mac forum? Because that's where it is occurring and it's being done in response to people stating they may move to Windows due to Apple's stale product line. These people should not be dissuaded from considering Windows based on incorrect information.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/goodbye-apple.2009741/page-24#post-23896632
What I feel is irrelevant as to whether one is or is not more logical, easier to use, simpler and is less clunky. Why? Because those are subjective. What is logical to me may not be logical to someone else. The same with the other things you've listed.
For the record I find neither to be better than the other. Just different. There are things I dislike about Windows and there are things I dislike about macOS. There are things I prefer on Windows and there are things I prefer on macOS. This is my point...neither is better / worse than the other.
Then buy hardware that "just works". Problem solved. This is not a failing of Windows. This is a failing of the hardware developer who has released a product which doesn't "just work".
The problem is with the hardware developer and not Windows. All the hardware I use with my Windows systems just works. Buy hardware that just works and your "problem" is resolved.
1- performance is everything when a lack of it cost $$$
2- Oh brother...
3- Oh brother...
4- Why would i spend my time proving things to you when you never prove any of the bullcrap you keep posting?
If you wish to continue the automotive analogies, IMHO, macOS is like a non-triptronic automatic transmission where Apple does most of the driving for the user and Windows is like a stick shift where Microsoft makes you drive for yourself. It all boils down to which experience you enjoy more.
Allow me to illustrate this with a simple example that I hit every day.
Our operations are based on servers running Windows Server (and some client systems running as servers), and Linux (mainly CentOS and Ubuntu). My workstations and operational base are on Windows, but the majority of the group uses Apple laptops to get to the servers.
I dislike Ubuntu. Why? Very simply, because Ubuntu tries to be Apple-like. Windows and CentOS by default put the minimize/maximize/close window controls in the upper right corner. Ubuntu puts them in the upper left, like Apple OSX.
My muscle memory is to move to the upper right of a window. Every time I do this on Ubuntu, I think "damn Ubuntu" and move to the upper left.
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Of course, "upper left" isn't better or worse than "upper right" per se. But Ubuntu for me has a worse user experience because of the button placement.
I recently reinstalled my Creative Suite apps on my 2010 Mac Pro running Sierra. It felt.....more fluid. Compare that to my 2015 custom built PC, it just does not run as well. There have been many bugs lately with the Adobe suite that I am not happy with. Some of them are resolved and only impacted the Windows side (if you enabled Rulers in the CC 2014 release, zooming in and out would be VERY VERY slow even when I had my GTX 980).
Things just get in your way on the Windows side. I find myself using my 2010 Mac Pro vs my 2015 custom built Windows machine 80% of the time. The other 20% is when playing games since I have a GTX 1080.
Things just get in your way on the Windows side. I find myself using my 2010 Mac Pro vs my 2015 custom built Windows machine 80% of the time. The other 20% is when playing games since I have a GTX 1080.
They have the right to be deluded. They've just been duped by marketing professionals.
I see a lot of "Ultimate Driving Machines" on the street, but I've never seen them piloted by "Ultimate Drivers".
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