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The base 13" crap model is still about £500 more than the old 13" model. Bloody hell apple. Time for a Surface Book.

And it has a lower class CPU. The older model is actually the better machine.
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Just noticed Apple raised the price of the Mac Pro in the UK from £2,499 to £2,999. Madness.

It's got to be getting hard for Apple to source those antique components, even if they only need to produce about 10 units a month.
 
No, Microsoft and Windows10 are NOT innovative, their marketing and advertising just got better. No real reason for me to go that path, ever. But Apple is trying too hard to shoot themselves in the foot by neglecting their own ecosystem and increasing prices to cover their flawed market analytics and Irish scandal. It's time for them to come up with new ideas at all ends. Make more ARM products for the low end, move manufacturing/design away from California, give more BTO options (also for GPU), reduce the extravagant prices for RAM/SSD and unfair exchange rates and international pricing strategies, consider licensing/outsourcing if they can't build a MacPro themselves, make an ultra MacPro that is CPU/GPU modular and upgradeable, move away from Intel if it's too expensive, unclutter the OS from privacy invading services, etc
 
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No, Microsoft and Windows10 are NOT innovative, their marketing and advertising just got better. No real reason for me to go that path, ever. But Apple is trying too hard to shoot themselves in the foot by neglecting their own ecosystem and increasing prices to cover their flawed market analytics and Irish scandal. It's time for them to come up with new ideas at all ends. Make more ARM products for the low end, move manufacturing/design away from California, give more BTO options (also for GPU), reduce the extravagant prices for RAM/SSD and unfair exchange rates and international pricing strategies, consider licensing/outsourcing if they can't build a MacPro themselves, make an ultra MacPro that is CPU/GPU modular and upgradeable, move away from Intel if it's too expensive, unclutter the OS from privacy invading services, etc

I agree with this.

Microsoft can make ads to lure people, but a touchscreen laptop is unusable in the real world.
 
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And it has a lower class CPU. The older model is actually the better machine.
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It's got to be getting hard for Apple to source those antique components, even if they only need to produce about 10 units a month.

They will just buy the factories where those old CPUs and 5400 rpm hard drives are made, so they can keep doing their thing. Like how Quentin Tarantino bought that company that makes chemical film, so that he would not be forced to switch to digital.
 
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Like how Quentin Tarantino bought that company that makes chemical film, so that he would not be forced to switch to digital.

The wally. There's no film in the world that matches the definition or dynamic range of the top ARRI or RED systems. He uses this film gimmick for nostalgic marketing only because the scanning, editing, grading, comping and distribution is almost entirely digital these days anyway.
 
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sorry apple you just lost my $2k by not releasing a real computer. l8r

When the time comes and you do get a computer, please come back and post here what you purchased and how do you like it (and which
ever OS it uses). Good luck!
 
The wally. There's no film in the world that matches the definition or dynamic range of the top ARRI or RED systems. He uses this film gimmick for nostalgic marketing only because the scanning, editing, grading, comping and distribution is almost entirely digital these days anyway.

Well, Apple and Tarantino are like peas in a pod then. Apple is not using those ancient components for their technical excellence, only for marketing reasons.
 
You've proven that you have zero respect for the professional filmmaking community. We would have NEEDED a new Mac Pro tower if you really expected us to stay with you. Good riddance.

How effing, effing, dare you put down the leaders in innovation of the tech world!! You will now forever be shunned from this community!! Good day sir!!
 
Weird thing is that there was a guy from APAC waving his X1 Lenovo laptop in the air, showing off his laptop Touch Bar. I looked it up and it looks like the touch bar idea is not that new after all, Phil pretends that this is innovation.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review...bon-Touch-20A8-003UGE-Ultrabook.111817.0.html

According to that review:
"New symbols cannot be added, as this is no LCD, just a number of backlit keys with the same symbol always appearing at the same location."

So that's a really, really bad comparison.
 
No, Microsoft and Windows10 are NOT innovative, etc

They don't need to be. They just need to give the tools and performance people want. That means properly embracing universal and open standards so that APIs and drivers are always current. They tried to innovate with Win8, but it was stuff nobody wanted. So they went back to basics AND borrowed the good stuff (Exposé, the Dock) from OSX.

That's why Win10 has been an amazing experience and a few Mac/Linux eggheads hating on it won't change how useful it is for leisure and work.
 
That means properly embracing universal and open standards so that APIs and drivers are always current.

1.- Microsoft and "embracing" is always a funny combination of words. You using it in a positive way probably means that you aren't aware of Microsoft's history.
2.- Microsoft "embracing open standards" crosses into scary territory. Fortunately, less scary now that Microsoft matters SO much less than it did.
3.- open standards... regarding drivers? What are you even talking about?
4.- open standards... regarding APIs? That's more possible. Any example?
 
1.- Microsoft and "embracing" is always a funny combination of words. You using it in a positive way probably means that you aren't aware of Microsoft's history.
2.- Microsoft "embracing open standards" crosses into scary territory. Fortunately, less scary now that Microsoft matters SO much less than it did.
3.- open standards... regarding drivers? What are you even talking about?
4.- open standards... regarding APIs? That's more possible. Any example?

You have magically forgotten that Microsoft is the OS these days with all the modern software up to date APIs while macOS rots away with out of date slow APIs, and customised APIs and drivers that block out hardware and software updates. Your post was just magic on this cMP forum where people daily rage about how Apple has been stifling their machines.
 
You have magically forgotten that Microsoft is the OS these days with all the modern software up to date APIs

... what?
Maybe if you gave some example it would be easier, nah, possible to understand what you are talking about?

while macOS rots away with out of date slow APIs, and customised APIs and drivers that block out hardware and software updates.

Again... what? If you somehow can't explain it just give some example.

Your post was just magic on this cMP forum where people daily rage about how Apple has been stifling their machines.

The thing I take away is that you seem to think that my post is somehow magic. Thank you!
 
1.- Microsoft and "embracing" is always a funny combination of words. You using it in a positive way probably means that you aren't aware of Microsoft's history.
2.- Microsoft "embracing open standards" crosses into scary territory. Fortunately, less scary now that Microsoft matters SO much less than it did.
3.- open standards... regarding drivers? What are you even talking about?
4.- open standards... regarding APIs? That's more possible. Any example?
And that's exactly what it is: History. Try to argue something that is at least within this decade.
 
I agree with this.

Microsoft can make ads to lure people, but a touchscreen laptop is unusable in the real world.

A touchscreen laptop / desktop with active digitizer is how I've been doing my work (medicine / neuroscience) for years. I switched away from Apple computers in 2012 in large part because the Apple ecosystem was not friendly towards this way of working. So, not everyone thinks that touchscreens are useless. :)
 
So Microsoft decided to discontinue one of their own products. And? Meanwhile:

"...the company said that the Xamarin C# tools would be free and open source."

Surely you can do better than this?

Are you twisting it purposefully? Or you didn't read the very next sentence to your quote, which is the whole crux of the problem?

"At its Build conference earlier this month, the company said that the Xamarin C# tools would be free and open source. Cheers all round – but what about RoboVM? Today Müller revealed that RoboVM will be discontinued."

It's their product, yes - because they bought it, just to discontinue it after a couple of months. Just as they did with so many other products and companies during the 90's and 00's.
 
It's their product, yes - because they bought it, just to discontinue it after a couple of months. Just as they did with so many other products and companies during the 90's and 00's.
As I recall, Adobe bought companies and discontinued their products. Also consider how much of Apple's innovation came from companies that they bought. In today's world that's the new way of doing things - buy companies to either kill competition or assimilate their knowledge as a shortcut to building your own business.
 
As I recall, Adobe bought companies and discontinued their products. Also consider how much of Apple's innovation came from companies that they bought. In today's world that's the new way of doing things - buy companies to either kill competition or assimilate their knowledge as a shortcut to building your own business.
Yes, and better not to mention how much software has Apple killed through times, their software... and from companies they have bought or under control...
 
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Are you twisting it purposefully? Or you didn't read the very next sentence to your quote, which is the whole crux of the problem?

"At its Build conference earlier this month, the company said that the Xamarin C# tools would be free and open source. Cheers all round – but what about RoboVM? Today Müller revealed that RoboVM will be discontinued."

It's their product, yes - because they bought it, just to discontinue it after a couple of months. Just as they did with so many other products and companies during the 90's and 00's.
Do you have any supporting evidence for this statement? What Microsoft did was purchased Xamarin (which itself acquired RoboVM a few months earlier) a company with several products.

A more likely explanation would be that Microsoft acquired Xamarin for their iOS and Android C# compilers and felt the RoboVM product, which was acquired months earlier by the company Microsoft acquired, wasn't in their strategy. Having worked at a huge company which acquired companies on a regular basis (acquisitions in the tens of billions of dollars) I saw this all the time.

If you have something to support you statement I'm happy to look it over. If not then I'll write it off as speculation and put zero value in it.
 
Do you have any supporting evidence for this statement? What Microsoft did was purchased Xamarin (which itself acquired RoboVM a few months earlier) a company with several products.

A more likely explanation would be that Microsoft acquired Xamarin for their iOS and Android C# compilers and felt the RoboVM product, which was acquired months earlier by the company Microsoft acquired, wasn't in their strategy. Having worked at a huge company which acquired companies on a regular basis (acquisitions in the tens of billions of dollars) I saw this all the time.

If you have something to support you statement I'm happy to look it over. If not then I'll write it off as speculation and put zero value in it.

Ah, so what you just wrote is NOT speculation, right? :D

And somehow it's me who has to demonstrate that Microsoft has NOT broken its multi-decade streak. Poor them, they only were bastards for 30 years, but now it only looks like they continue doing the same.

Feel free to write off whatever you want. Meanwhile, Microsoft will Microsoft.
 
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