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iMacBastard said:
Is this true on the Sierra not supporting the older pro towers??
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At least my 5.1 (flashed form 4.1.) is not supported anymore.

I totally agree with you.

I'm using my MacBookPro 15 Retina mainly for client presentation. So I don't even need the trackpad. I had a MacBook Pro once as a main working machine, but used an external keyboard there. Due to the fact that the new one is extremly fast and has high speed connector, it might be an alternative to a iMac/MacPro again. But with only 16 GB of RAM, c'mon Apple that's a joke!!!

I really don't see the Tab Bar as a daily working input tool for pros. I do also not see the need of it, when you have a high resolution 15" monitor includes and/or two 52" monitor connected to it. You have to look up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and...

As already mentioned, a complete digital keyboard/trackpad, customizable by the user would rock. I think the tab bar concept lacks completely off any real life usabability for pros.
 
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Coyote2006 said:
Apple wants us to work on a 30 x 2 cm tab bar lighted by two attached 52" UHD LED screens ... why the heck didn't they replace this stupid trackpad and the complete keyboard with a full scale digital tab bar?!? They have digital keyboard on iPads why not on the MacBook Pro? A fully customizable keyboard would have been amazing to have.

And NO new desktop Macs?!? After Apple killed support for older MacPro with Sierra, it would have been urgently necessacry to bring new MacPros/iMacs.

I'm missing Steve Jobs ... more than ever ... :-(
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Oh gosh Coyote, I almost can't find a way to respond without sounding sarcastic or mean spirited. I'll just say that the last thing I would want is a touch screen keyboard ("customizable" or not) as a main keyboard for typing. The iPad has it because it turns out that a device like that still can't get around the need for a keyboard entry and that is the only reason and hey, look at one of the accessories for the iPad- a keyboard...well don't that just beat all huh?

Apple lost its "cool factor" when the iPhone became a dominant force. Jobs had plenty of screw ups during his time and plenty of brilliant wins/ideas too. He wasn't near as genius as many would like to believe.
 
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The Ipad Pro as a digital controler would be a lot better for snazzy touch workflows than a supersmall strip.
I love the mouse ...
The release is kind of contradicting in that way, once you studio use it, the strip has no value,
once you studio use it, 16gb ram is what? It's kind of superexpensive.
The Mac Pro is cheaper now, at least here, for now ...
Something tells me, if they will finally bring the new Mac Pro, It will be more expensive for no real reason ...
El Capitan will be the new snow leopard, I think Mac Pro towers will be in use for a long time.
I have two in a photostudio used as toasters, medium format is fine with 32gb or more, that's why I use the mac pro,
and having different boot drive's/scratch drives.

All my Macbook Pro's are GPU toast. All other mac's still function.
The G4 powerbook is the only one that doesn't get much use.

New Macbook Pro's just feel like crippled expensive statements that don't add anything usefull.
Pretty insulting basemodel, just two ports.
I was going to buy one, but without 32gb ram and that price, I bought another mac pro tower from the UK ...
If I was to spend 3000 euro plus, It would be Mac Pro, a lot less for a winstation, I don't need xeon, just speed and ram's.
The fancy new Microsoft thing, but none knows now how that machine will future,
if it is solid ( good working after 3 years ), usefull in real world use with programs u use, It's more a drawing board,
good for concept design, for moodboards we still print/collage, same for expo's, It could be a nice digital worktable, time will tell. One thing, It will probably go down in price much faster as all PC stuff does, premium PC is not cheap, but after 6 months pricedrops and -600 temporary sales are not unusual.

I watched this Apple event, I have only seen fragments in the past, some stupid Ive movies.
But the effect was, I really don't care anymore what Apple does or doesn't do.
They present it like they just invented the Nintendo Wii or something ...
Legacy Mac will be fine for some time and then probably switch to windows,
I started working with that onecommander program on one of the vids here on a lenovo with windows 10.
I think windows is the new reality here ... but it will take probably three more years.
Apple just for web and media consumption.
 
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h9826790 said:
Looks like this is how Apple "convert" the Macbook Pro to a MP 7,1.

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What they don't tell their customers is that they'll want to use high density drives like 6 TB WD Blacks because they'll be much faster alone, but also in a RAID of their choosing. Or they can get multiple high end SSDs they can write to. 6 TB blacks will run north of $270 in most cases. You're looking at close to $3,000 in spinning drives for 8x 6 TB WD Blacks, not including the two enclosures and a rugged UPS for any power loss.
 
richardw said:
I thought the 5.1 was still supported. Have a search...
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5,1 is indeed supported, I have Sierra on mine. From what I've read flashed 4,1s work just fine as well. "From what I've read" because mine is a "true" 5,1, mid-2012, so I can't actually verify.
 
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What they don't tell their customers is that they'll want to use high density drives like 6 TB WD Blacks because they'll be much faster alone, but also in a RAID of their choosing. Or they can get multiple high end SSDs they can write to. 6 TB blacks will run north of $270 in most cases. You're looking at close to $3,000 in spinning drives for 8x 6 TB WD Blacks, not including the two enclosures and a rugged UPS for any power loss.
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Sure Apple is now the biggest accessory company on the world, they just make all effort to remove any internal / build in stuff and force their customer to buy adaptor, cable, enclosure......
 
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iMacBastard said:
Is this true on the Sierra not supporting the older pro towers??

I'm currently an iMac guy rather than Pro (hence my user name :p) but I always wanted a pro. Got close to buying the trash can last year or considered a customised/refurb Pro tower but thought I'd hold off to see if there would be a new Pro refresh. In 2015 we only got slightly lower prices on the SSD upgrades but was balanced out with a new far more expensive trackpad at that point!

The MS Surface studio looks awesome I have to say. Maybe I'll get that for in my office and a beefy MS custom built PC tower to replace my music iMac in my little studio.
My friend said Microsoft released the new iMac this week. It made me look at the trailer and some other videos. I can see what he meant!

Just can't see Apple coming up with a lot of new Mac stuff within a year but I could be wrong. New iMac not until October 2017 wouldn't surprise me and perhaps MacPro end of life 2018 with no more updates. The little incremental hardware, gadget (phones, watches, tablets, personal gadgetry with headphones etc) and software (ios and macos) updates seem to be taking up all of their time in their presentations now.

An hour presenting a laptop with an emoji bar and speaking superlatives about existing released software is a joke. Pro users don't look at keyboards, switching part of it to a dynamic bar is nonsense I think. Touchscreen would be million times as fast to use.

It is even more nonsense considering Apple doesn't have the balls to embrace this technology at this point and release a replacement keyboard with such a bar for other hardware. Although they showed off Photoshop in their keynote with the touchbar thing, how many pro Photoshop users really use a Macbook Pro? I for one can't stand the small screen of my Macbook Pro when I'm at home thus use mine mainly in clamshell mode, hence no touchbar anyway.

Thus in my opinion Apple needs a larger dedicated team to deal with Mac hardware updates (and fixing xcode!).

Lastly on the MS Surface Studio thing:
Interesting how a predominately software company comes up with a far more interesting piece of desktop hardware now than what was predominately a hardware company. I could see the Surface Studio being useful in a lot of Pro use situations. Especially Photoshop. I just find this really bizarre considering when I worked in a design agency 10 years ago all the designers had macs. I just can't see the point now with SUCH an interesting alternative on the cards.
Whether or not MS's product will be a success consider the professional approach they have taken here in this video:

I just don't see this type of approach at all from Apple in their keynote. They just use the usual suspects to explain everything and concentrate ages on Apple TV etc. It's just not professional, more mass market targeted and quite dumb/gimmicky I think.
Shame.

Sorry to deviate off the MacPro route so much. It's more of an observation on Apple's total approach to their products I think.
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What's funny is I can do video editing on that....
 
We at the x-computer company would like to say we are sorry. Sorry for being exposed as slight of hand artists without the artistry! The stage will expose you if you didn't know.

1. We would not go on stage with a cello to compete with Yo-Yo Ma!
2. We would not go on stage with a guitar to compete with Bucket Head, Paco de Lucia or Yngwie Malmsteen!
3. We would not go on stage and compete with Placido Domingo!
4. We would not go on stage and compete with Jay Z!

But we had the nerve to go on stage and compete with the rest of the computing world!

Remember, we at Apple are nothing more than "Verbal Illusionist"! :cool:
 
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NY Guitarist said:
That's exactly my point, it was a bait-and-switch known to Apple longest and most loyal customers.
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No, they used it for the birthday of their first Powerbook. I think it was quite fitting. And don't forget the 2008 Unibody event, also no other machines were introduced. Apple's laptop events focus on their laptops, has been so for a while. Mac Pro or the iMac, whenever they get an update, won't probably need an event, they never did. Apple does events for completely redesigned machines.
 
All you unhappy folks, PLEASE buy another system - Lenovo has some good ones!

My waiting period already went to 4-5 weeks! I would like my system more quickly.
 
haralds said:
All you unhappy folks, PLEASE buy another system - Lenovo has some good ones!

My waiting period already went to 4-5 weeks! I would like my system more quickly.
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I already have other systems, but I still like using the Macintosh operating system. As it is now I'm primarily using my gaming PC at home for pretty much everything. As it is I might as well just put what I was going to spend on a new Mac and put it into a gaming rig and a VR headset.

My iPhone is my last new Apple product and it's kind of sad that it may be my last ever.
 
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Saw the new MBP today. Must say they look great in person if I ignore the silly price. The problem is...you attach a Wacom and then that's the end of your Touch Bar use. The distance created by the tablet and keyboard make the little strip of lights too far to be useful. it's only useful for emoji.
 
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jeff7117 said:
Yep, marketing has really taken over at Apple. The entire lineup is pretty much a joke. Your average consumer probably wouldn't know any better.
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That's the part that pisses me off perhaps the most. In SPITE of giving loyal customers like us the shaft for SO long and finally pushing us over the edge this week, Apple still has HUGE brand power and they'll probably still make bank when wealthy families buy fancy Apple laptops for their college kids as an "oh, we've just got to get them the top-of-the-line thing" mindset.
I honestly wonder how those families will swallow the price on these crappy machines that don't even have USB ports, but I guess I'm just not as "with it" as Apple's jerkwad fashion-over-function executives.
 
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That's the part that pisses me off perhaps the most. In SPITE of giving loyal customers like us the shaft for SO long and finally pushing us over the edge this week, Apple still has HUGE brand power and they'll probably still make bank when wealthy families buy fancy Apple laptops for their college kids as an "oh, we've just got to get them the top-of-the-line thing" mindset.
I honestly wonder how those families will swallow the price on these crappy machines that don't even have USB ports, but I guess I'm just not as "with it" as Apple's jerkwad fashion-over-function executives.
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I probably buy more Apples than 95% of the people posting here. Nobody in my division does work on an Apple (all Linux and Windows), but most of them use 15" MacBook Pros to remote into the Linux and Windows systems.

We were holding off on a number of replacement laptop systems - waiting for the new MacBook Pros. Now that they're here, the comments are:
  • where are the function keys - how can I use Emacs?
  • wow, those are expensive. The loaded MacBook costs more than a dual socket lab server. Do I want to spend my budget on a new server or for a modest laptop upgrade.
  • emojis? really?
  • but much of my software doesn't work with 10.12.1, I'll sit this one out for a while
 
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I see only two options for me.

1. hackingtosh. To much trouble with os upgrades?
2. ebay tower macpro. Risk of scams on ebay?

Not looking good for me.
 
AidenShaw said:
I probably buy more Apples than 95% of the people posting here. Nobody in my division does work on an Apple (all Linux and Windows), but most of them use 15" MacBook Pros to remote into the Linux and Windows systems.

We were holding off on a number of replacement laptop systems - waiting for the new MacBook Pros. Now that they're here, the comments are:
  • where are the function keys - how can I use Emacs?
  • wow, those are expensive. The loaded MacBook costs more than a dual socket lab server. Do I want to spend my budget on a new server or for a modest laptop upgrade.
  • emojis? really?
  • but much of my software doesn't work with 10.12.1, I'll sit this one out for a while
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Don't forget to budget an extra $19.99 for a power cord for the Emoji Pro.
Apple doesn't include one any more.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/28/new-mbp-no-backlit-logo-or-power-extension-cable/

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joebclash said:
I see only two options for me.

1. hackingtosh. To much trouble with os upgrades?
2. ebay tower macpro. Risk of scams on ebay?

Not looking good for me.
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I built a Hackintosh for $2500 and it smokes Mac Pros. Only downside is GTX1080 doesn't work yet. Also I'm using Apple keyboards/Apple Display and threw the case behind my desk and it's pretty quiet.

I also have a 2014 rMBP for mobile/emergency work. Need to have a real Mac next to you.

Hackintoshes are good when you set it up and don't touch anything related to updates or technical settings. It works fine.
 
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SDAVE said:
I built a Hackintosh for $2500 and it smokes Mac Pros. Only downside is GTX1080 doesn't work yet. Also I'm using Apple keyboards/Apple Display and threw the case behind my desk and it's pretty quiet.

I also have a 2014 rMBP for mobile/emergency work. Need to have a real Mac next to you.

Hackintoshes are good when you set it up and don't touch anything related to updates or technical settings. It works fine.
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Loved my hackintosh. Probably the fastest and best performing Mac I've owned. I learned a lot through tinkering but yes updates can cripple the system. I was fine with it as the time machine restore was blazingly fast and it wasn't the computer I depended on for my business. Eventually I got tired of it and decided to pay for the convenience.
 
AidenShaw said:
I probably buy more Apples than 95% of the people posting here. Nobody in my division does work on an Apple (all Linux and Windows), but most of them use 15" MacBook Pros to remote into the Linux and Windows systems.

We were holding off on a number of replacement laptop systems - waiting for the new MacBook Pros. Now that they're here, the comments are:
  • where are the function keys - how can I use Emacs?
  • wow, those are expensive. The loaded MacBook costs more than a dual socket lab server. Do I want to spend my budget on a new server or for a modest laptop upgrade.
  • emojis? really?
  • but much of my software doesn't work with 10.12.1, I'll sit this one out for a while
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Same here, arrived in office (work as IT Admin), joined the monthly regional VC call, my regional network connectivity boss pointed out that the transition from Apple to Dell/HP must happen within the next 6 months. So many new users` request for a laptop were on hold, looking at the price tag of the new MBP, I do not think we are going to buy MBPs anymore. On the desktop/WS side, everything Apple (cMPs and iMac) must be decommissioned as Apple will most likely kill the 2010 cMP and 2012-13 iMac support in the upcoming new macOS releases.

I understand my boss, it is going to be a painful 6 months but there is really no point of arguing, we use Adobe, Maya, Autodesk, Solidworks and so on...We have invested a lot of money in Apple and Macs but things are looking so ridiculous at Cupertino lately, a laptop with quad core, 1TB SSD and 16GB of RAM for 3500 bucks (we can invest into a dual-socket Xeon workstation with that amount of money)

Weird thing is that there was a guy from APAC waving his X1 Lenovo laptop in the air, showing off his laptop Touch Bar. I looked it up and it looks like the touch bar idea is not that new after all, Phil pretends that this is innovation.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review...bon-Touch-20A8-003UGE-Ultrabook.111817.0.html
 
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