GOODBYE, APPLE.

[mathpunk]

So, what GPU are you all going to use in your new HP/Dell workstations? I searched for a while today, and there do not seem to be any P5000 or P6000 Quadros available anywhere, even though they were announced a long time ago. Same story for the missing AMD Polaris workstation cards. But anyway, until HBM2-based GPUs are widely available, I think I'm just going to wait it out. The Xeon Skylake-W CPUs should be out about Q2 '17, which is probably about the time I really need to get a new workstation, so I might was well just wait until then. Who knows, maybe Apple is waiting for HBM2 Vega and Skylake-W, along with me.

 

[Zackmd1]

Any suggestions for good Hackintosh forums? I need to build a number of workstations for a video post production business.

TonymacX86 is the best I know of...

I hate to be that guy... but its pretty sad when the Microsoft keynote had more innovative products then the apple keynote.... It amazed me that they did not even mention any of their other mac products.... Add to the crazy high prices of these "new" MacBook pros.... Apple has truly lost touch with what people actually want.

 

[Derpage]

 

[F1Mac]

TonymacX86 is the best I know of...

I hate to be that guy... but its pretty sad when the Microsoft keynote had more innovative products then the apple keynote.... It amazed me that they did not even mention any of their other mac products.... Add to the crazy high prices of these "new" MacBook pros.... Apple has truly lost touch with what people actually want.

Just to put things into perspective, the first 15" MacBook Pro in 2006 was $2500, that's about $3000 in 2016 dollars. The MacBook Pro was never meant to be cheap. I don't want to be the devil's advocate, but maybe, sometimes, people confuse what they want with what they can afford.


...Like I said earlier, I actually don't mind the new MacBook Pros, from what I've seen they seem great and it's nice to finally see some news about "the Mac". But the thing is, "the Mac" is much more than the MacBook Pro, and today, again, we're still waiting for the rest of the lineup to be refreshed/upgraded. That is frustrating, to say the least. The way I work, there's no way I can do it on a laptop, I need a desktop, and I'd like Apple to still care for their desktop computers. I don't write music at starbucks sharing my awesome tune with my friends, I'm in film music, in a studio with a lot of gear, hardrives, virtual instruments, hardware synths, etc - I need power, and a desktop Mac (Pro). Puhhhleeaaaazzze Apple.

 

[aaronhead14]

Just letting you know that this thread wasn't intended to diss on OR admire the new MacBook Pro. It's to rip on Apple for neglecting the professional community YET AGAIN by not releasing a new Mac Pro desktop. It's simply UNACCEPTABLE.

 

[Zackmd1]

Just to put things into perspective, the first 15" MacBook Pro in 2006 was $2500, that's about $3000 in 2016 dollars. The MacBook Pro was never meant to be cheap. I don't want to be the devil's advocate, but maybe, sometimes, people confuse what they want with what they can afford.


...Like I said earlier, I actually don't mind the new MacBook Pros, from what I've seen they seem great and it's nice to finally see some news about "the Mac". But the thing is, "the Mac" is much more than the MacBook Pro, and today, again, we're still waiting for the rest of the lineup to be refreshed/upgraded. That is frustrating, to say the least. The way I work, there's no way I can do it on a laptop, I need a desktop, and I'd like Apple to still care for their desktop computers. I don't write music at starbucks sharing my awesome tune with my friends, I'm in film music, in a studio with a lot of gear, hardrives, virtual instruments, hardware synths - I need power, and a desktop Mac (Pro). Puhhhleeaaaazzze.

While I do agree that the MacBook Pros are not meant to be cheap, its just something about this refresh that doesn't sit right with me.... That 2006 MacBook was an entirely new product which somewhat justifies the price. These refreshed macbooks, while "new" are more of a refresh of the current design. The two biggest standout features are technologies that could have been incorporated years ago. I never understood why they could fit touch ID in an iPhone 5s but never managed to do that with a MacBook. The OLED bar while cool, I feel will not be all that useful. The 6th gen 7th gen processor argument is a bit of a grey area but I miss the days when apple had intel specifically design processors for their laptops and got access to processors early (think original MacBook air).

After all of that we then come to the graphics options.... The Radeon pro line in my opinion is a terrible choice. The Nvidia offerings (GTX 1050-1070) offer far better performance for the power required. This is most evident in the Rx 480 to GTX 1060 comparison. The GTX 1060 offers on average 10% better performance then the Rx 480 while using just about 120 watts where as the Rx 480 uses at or above 150 watts. I think they could have fit a 1050 in the 13 inch which would have given it a massive boost in performance over the intel integrated graphics.

So I have no problem with the price points of apples products.... I have a problem when they raise the price for a new product and really don't have much (in terms of specs) to back it up. Then you charge the same MSRP for a product that has been in production for a year+. Then introduce a "gimped" 13 inch pro that is suppose to replace the air but costs $200 to $300 more and doesn't have the main standout features that you bragged about almost all keynote.....

And on top of all of that.... You don't even touch macs that haven't had an update since 2013 and 2014 (Mac Pro and Mac Mini). Like I said... It just doesn't sit right with me.

Rant over.... Back to the Mac pro!

 

[phrehdd]

Crap, is this true about the crappy modem? Any links?

Best I heard is that the part was made by Intel and some by (if I call correctly) Qualcom. The latter is the one to get and avoid the phone with the intel part. Would be nice to find a way to know what one got before a purchase.

 

[slughead]

You've proven that you have zero respect for the professional filmmaking community. We would have NEEDED a new Mac Pro tower if you really expected us to stay with you. Good riddance.

Where were you 3 years ago when we totally called it on the unlikeliness of updates etc.

 

[ekwipt]

Ok I found this: https://www.tonymacx86.com/

Any others that I should look for?

Insanelymac forum as well
[doublepost=1477626597][/doublepost]I'm confident there will be a new MacPro I'm just happy I went ahead and built my hackintosh a couple of months ago.

I guess they can't build a broadwell-e with xeon processors and ecc ram with what's offered by intel.

Also can't believe the top spec MBP is $4800 AUD. it's ridiculous money. They're great laptops but sheesh, it's serious money

For that coin I built my hack and could afford a 32" ultra wide monitor.

I'm also looking forward to someone hacking the laptop drivers for thunderbolt 3, so I can get my TB3 equipped x99 motherboard going, I'm guessing they're both Alpine ridge?

 

[BigBoyBmw760li]

The aftermath is Steve Jobs leaving us....sad!

 

[haralds]

I think, a lot of you are underestimating the complexity of the underlying design changes and focus. Apple chooses the principle of form following function. They will not make changes just to look different.
I have been involved in product design. development, and delivery for many years and have a healthy respect for what they pull off. This stuff is hard.
The core unibody design approach in a laptop is unparalleled in its practicality and long life. It requires enormous investment and expertise in manufacturing using thousands of NC mills. Laptops pose particular challenges in thermal efficiency trade offs including battery life. At exceeding 10 hours in a high performance machines while reducing size and weight they have pulled off a triumph. Performance and screen are first rate. Keyboard and touchpad are brand new designs that have a lot of underlying challenges to execute.
Even with the Radeon decision it is not clear what all the underlying reason for the decision to choose it were. But I suspect the level of engineering commitment by AMD played a part. This is why AMD also got the contract from Nintendo and Sony. There is a lot more involved than just plugging in a card.
I will have my order in. I know. that I can use for first line development for the next 4-5 years and that it will be a good backup machine for another 4.
The good news is that if you do not agree, you can go Lenovo or Dell. There are some decent choices out there.
We develop on both Windows and Mac, and iPhone and Android. I use all systems daily. But personally, I think the Apple ecosystem is far superior from an engineering and design perspective. Not perfect, but the best you can get right now. Doesn't mean there are not moments where I pull out my hair - as in "what were they thinking here?"
I do hope that they will come out with another Mac Pro. I prefer the classic modular chassis for the cPro - that is why I still have mine. I think that the lack of flexibility lost in favor of the wow design factor has proven to be not the right recipe for the Pro crowd. But Apple will not announce until they are ready and not ship until it really works.

 

[NY Guitarist]

I still have one of these on a shelf.

It's a Macintosh; not Mini, or iMac, or Pro. It is the original "Hello".

"Hello Again" seems like an odd theme for new laptops

 

[\-V-/]

I think, a lot of you are underestimating the complexity of the underlying design changes and focus. Apple chooses the principle of form following function. They will not make changes just to look different.
I have been involved in product design. development, and delivery for many years and have a healthy respect for what they pull off. This stuff is hard.
The core unibody design approach in a laptop is unparalleled in its practicality and long life. It requires enormous investment and expertise in manufacturing using thousands of NC mills. Laptops pose particular challenges in thermal efficiency trade offs including battery life. At exceeding 10 hours in a high performance machines while reducing size and weight they have pulled off a triumph. Performance and screen are first rate. Keyboard and touchpad are brand new designs that have a lot of underlying challenges to execute.
Even with the Radeon decision it is not clear what all the underlying reason for the decision to choose it were. But I suspect the level of engineering commitment by AMD played a part. This is why AMD also got the contract from Nintendo and Sony. There is a lot more involved than just plugging in a card.
I will have my order in. I know. that I can use for first line development for the next 4-5 years and that it will be a good backup machine for another 4.
The good news is that if you do not agree, you can go Lenovo or Dell. There are some decent choices out there.
We develop on both Windows and Mac, and iPhone and Android. I use all systems daily. But personally, I think the Apple ecosystem is far superior from an engineering and design perspective. Not perfect, but the best you can get right now. Doesn't mean there are not moments where I pull out my hair - as in "what were they thinking here?"
I do hope that they will come out with another Mac Pro. I prefer the classic modular chassis for the cPro - that is why I still have mine. I think that the lack of flexibility lost in favor of the wow design factor has proven to be not the right recipe for the Pro crowd. But Apple will not announce until they are ready and not ship until it really works.

You spelled "greed" wrong.

 

[Derpage]

I think, a lot of you are underestimating the complexity of the underlying design changes and focus. Apple chooses the principle of form following function. They will not make changes just to look different.
I have been involved in product design. development, and delivery for many years and have a healthy respect for what they pull off. This stuff is hard.
The core unibody design approach in a laptop is unparalleled in its practicality and long life. It requires enormous investment and expertise in manufacturing using thousands of NC mills. Laptops pose particular challenges in thermal efficiency trade offs including battery life. At exceeding 10 hours in a high performance machines while reducing size and weight they have pulled off a triumph. Performance and screen are first rate. Keyboard and touchpad are brand new designs that have a lot of underlying challenges to execute.
Even with the Radeon decision it is not clear what all the underlying reason for the decision to choose it were. But I suspect the level of engineering commitment by AMD played a part. This is why AMD also got the contract from Nintendo and Sony. There is a lot more involved than just plugging in a card.
I will have my order in. I know. that I can use for first line development for the next 4-5 years and that it will be a good backup machine for another 4.
The good news is that if you do not agree, you can go Lenovo or Dell. There are some decent choices out there.
We develop on both Windows and Mac, and iPhone and Android. I use all systems daily. But personally, I think the Apple ecosystem is far superior from an engineering and design perspective. Not perfect, but the best you can get right now. Doesn't mean there are not moments where I pull out my hair - as in "what were they thinking here?"
I do hope that they will come out with another Mac Pro. I prefer the classic modular chassis for the cPro - that is why I still have mine. I think that the lack of flexibility lost in favor of the wow design factor has proven to be not the right recipe for the Pro crowd. But Apple will not announce until they are ready and not ship until it really works.

It's just pc parts wrapped up in closed linux build. But it's so thin....nobody asked for thin.. But it's so round. Nobody asked for round. Clever designs are pretty sweet. But it's all smoke and mirrors at this point.

....BUT DID YOU SEE HOW THEY USED THAT GLUE TO GET IT THINNER. YEARS OF REFINING....YEARS.

 

[fastlanephil]

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I still have one of these on a shelf.

It's a Macintosh; not Mini, or iMac, or Pro. It is the original "Hello". "Hello Again" seems like an odd theme for new laptops

"hello again" was used to introduce the iMac which was a rebirth of the original all-in-one Macintosh. I think Apple just used it this time as a subtle bait and switch marketing tactic.

 

[JoelTheSuperior]

"hello again" was used to introduce the iMac which was a rebirth of the original all-in-one Macintosh. I think Apple just used it this time as a subtle bait and switch marketing tactic.

In fairness I do think it makes sense in the sense that the majority of Mac sales now are notebooks. I'd argue that most people now aren't really working at desktop PCs but rather using laptops to get their work done.

It'll be interesting to see if and when the Mac Pro and the other desktop macs do see an update.

 

[MH01]

Crap, is this true about the crappy modem? Any links?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/26/iphone_7_models_with_intel_modems_fall_short/

 

[grcar]

There's still the Macworld source claiming new Mac Pros in November, but I wouldn't blame anyone for not waiting.

And the laptop Apple introduced is not actually available until November. If they are going to introduce more new machines, they could just as well have waited and saved money by doing just ONE show in November.
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I'd argue that most people now aren't really working at desktop PCs but rather using laptops to get their work done.

Yes, but I notice that even university professors at Berkeley and Stanford have stopped buying overpriced Apple laptops. The students at Stanford do still buy Apple laptops because daddy and mommy are paying.

By the way, try running a professional light show with several screens on a laptop. Need a mac pro.

 

[phrehdd]

I think, a lot of you are underestimating the complexity of the underlying design changes and focus. Apple chooses the principle of form following function. They will not make changes just to look different.
I have been involved in product design. development, and delivery for many years and have a healthy respect for what they pull off. This stuff is hard.
The core unibody design approach in a laptop is unparalleled in its practicality and long life. It requires enormous investment and expertise in manufacturing using thousands of NC mills. Laptops pose particular challenges in thermal efficiency trade offs including battery life. At exceeding 10 hours in a high performance machines while reducing size and weight they have pulled off a triumph. Performance and screen are first rate. Keyboard and touchpad are brand new designs that have a lot of underlying challenges to execute.
Even with the Radeon decision it is not clear what all the underlying reason for the decision to choose it were. But I suspect the level of engineering commitment by AMD played a part. This is why AMD also got the contract from Nintendo and Sony. There is a lot more involved than just plugging in a card.
I will have my order in. I know. that I can use for first line development for the next 4-5 years and that it will be a good backup machine for another 4.
The good news is that if you do not agree, you can go Lenovo or Dell. There are some decent choices out there.
We develop on both Windows and Mac, and iPhone and Android. I use all systems daily. But personally, I think the Apple ecosystem is far superior from an engineering and design perspective. Not perfect, but the best you can get right now. Doesn't mean there are not moments where I pull out my hair - as in "what were they thinking here?"
I do hope that they will come out with another Mac Pro. I prefer the classic modular chassis for the cPro - that is why I still have mine. I think that the lack of flexibility lost in favor of the wow design factor has proven to be not the right recipe for the Pro crowd. But Apple will not announce until they are ready and not ship until it really works.

I respectfully disagree with your statement "Apple chooses the principle of form following function." Going "thin" is not a function but a form. There is zero value in "thin" iMacs but plenty of penalty including reduced opportunity for heat dissipation. The Cook's bplug design of the nMP has absolutely no real value just looks different. You can try to say it is superior but first, guided air flow is nothing new in the PC world as many have (previous to liquid cooling) would guide air over particular component then out of the box. What Apple does is gives us their take on useful, their take on visually appealing and their take on well..just about everything. While I might applaud some of the elegance in their offerings it by no means follows some of the functions that we would want in superior devices. Sorry, nope...ain't buying today when its a very well known (among many of us geeks) that Apple is notorious for form over function products.

 

[pat500000]

This is innovation.

The company's vision...and attitude made studio what it is....simplicity....

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

I don't see anyone outside of the UK mentioning price increases. So this is currency correction due to the falling GBP, not a price increase.

This month the Pound hit its lowest level ever recorded. If it doesn't bounce back soon, prepare for more "price increases" for foreign goods.

Most of nMP's components are budget hardware now.

 

[Coyote2006]

Apple wants us to work on a 30 x 2 cm tab bar lighted by two attached 52" UHD LED screens ... why the heck didn't they replace this stupid trackpad and the complete keyboard with a full scale digital tab bar?!? They have digital keyboard on iPads why not on the MacBook Pro? A fully customizable keyboard would have been amazing to have.

And NO new desktop Macs?!? After Apple killed support for older MacPro with Sierra, it would have been urgently necessacry to bring new MacPros/iMacs.

I'm missing Steve Jobs ... more than ever ... :-(

 

[SDAVE]

I just don't get it.

Why don't they just update the CPU and GPU every year and get it over with?
And also DROP THE DAMN PRICE?

They already have the design.

 

[weckart]

Ok I found this: https://www.tonymacx86.com/

Any others that I should look for?

Tonymac gets all its information from Insanelymac, otherwise these are useful additions.

http://www.osxlatitude.com

http://olarila.com/forum/ - mainly for Spanish speakers but the host is helpful and posted plenty at Insanelymac.

http://osx86.net

There are plenty of other sites in languages other than English.

 

[iMacDonald]

And NO new desktop Macs?!? After Apple killed support for older MacPro with Sierra, it would have been urgently necessacry to bring new MacPros/iMacs.

Is this true on the Sierra not supporting the older pro towers??

I'm currently an iMac guy rather than Pro (hence my user name ) but I always wanted a pro. Got close to buying the trash can last year or considered a customised/refurb Pro tower but thought I'd hold off to see if there would be a new Pro refresh. In 2015 we only got slightly lower prices on the SSD upgrades but was balanced out with a new far more expensive trackpad at that point!

The MS Surface studio looks awesome I have to say. Maybe I'll get that for in my office and a beefy MS custom built PC tower to replace my music iMac in my little studio.
My friend said Microsoft released the new iMac this week. It made me look at the trailer and some other videos. I can see what he meant!

Just can't see Apple coming up with a lot of new Mac stuff within a year but I could be wrong. New iMac not until October 2017 wouldn't surprise me and perhaps MacPro end of life 2018 with no more updates. The little incremental hardware, gadget (phones, watches, tablets, personal gadgetry with headphones etc) and software (ios and macos) updates seem to be taking up all of their time in their presentations now.

An hour presenting a laptop with an emoji bar and speaking superlatives about existing released software is a joke. Pro users don't look at keyboards, switching part of it to a dynamic bar is nonsense I think. Touchscreen would be million times as fast to use.

It is even more nonsense considering Apple doesn't have the balls to embrace this technology at this point and release a replacement keyboard with such a bar for other hardware. Although they showed off Photoshop in their keynote with the touchbar thing, how many pro Photoshop users really use a Macbook Pro? I for one can't stand the small screen of my Macbook Pro when I'm at home thus use mine mainly in clamshell mode, hence no touchbar anyway.

Thus in my opinion Apple needs a larger dedicated team to deal with Mac hardware updates (and fixing xcode!).

Lastly on the MS Surface Studio thing:
Interesting how a predominately software company comes up with a far more interesting piece of desktop hardware now than what was predominately a hardware company. I could see the Surface Studio being useful in a lot of Pro use situations. Especially Photoshop. I just find this really bizarre considering when I worked in a design agency 10 years ago all the designers had macs. I just can't see the point now with SUCH an interesting alternative on the cards.
Whether or not MS's product will be a success consider the professional approach they have taken here in this video:

I just don't see this type of approach at all from Apple in their keynote. They just use the usual suspects to explain everything and concentrate ages on Apple TV etc. It's just not professional, more mass market targeted and quite dumb/gimmicky I think.
Shame.

Sorry to deviate off the MacPro route so much. It's more of an observation on Apple's total approach to their products I think.