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Damm at 8 bucks Google music might kick spotify butts ! And even better if you can login in different devices with no problem !
I disagree. How can fragmentation exist if these Google versions are being supported by Google themselves? Now it is on the OEMs to handle the responsibility of keeping their skinned versions up to date as well. I agree w/ others though, in that this does give us options. However, I agree w/ you in that I don't think we'll see a wide adoption of these Google versions because it is, for lack of a better term, a step backwards to get the pure Android experience.
So what do you mean by fragmentation? I take fragmentation to mean people not getting immediate updates from Google, not having the latest operating system and its features, and therefore making things harder to develop for developers.
Not to mention, you people do realize, stock Android existed before today's announcement, right? It'll just be on one more device now. How is that fragmenting more?
Really no way. Give people options. I don't buy skinned android because they mess with stock android. A lot of people like the skinned versions cause they need their hands held. Now I could buy a phone I like without worry about it not have stock android. That's if this trend continues. Options are always better.
Fragmentation is an issue even with the latest phones, so not sure what you mean here. For example, I used to use a running/exercise app called CardioTrainer. The whole thing worked fine on my HTC Desire, but on both my GS2 and GS3 the music integration didn't work because I couldn't select a playlist to play when I start a workout. They may have fixed it now, not sure.
Just one example anyway. It's annoying when your favourite apps only work for some phones even though they're all on the same platform.
How about reading the post I was referring to which stated that a "what if" regarding the rest of the Android OEMs doing this.
I'm sorry but that is definitely fragmentation. Whether or not is good or bad is of no consequence to me. If you saw, I'd like to grab one of these GS4's and will likely do so when they are released.
Lol, chill Couch. I'm not attacking anything.....adding more versions of the same phone IS fragmentation. And, taking the GS4 "Nexus" as the example, the release of said phone won't necessarily add a substantial marketshare as has been suggested, but will likely cannibalize other Nexus and skinned Android sales.
Again, nothing bad about this....I never said there was. And if these Google versions end of being released for other major flagships and become popular, why did they ever release skinned versions in the first place?
Thanks for the explanation. That helped. Now I see where you're coming from.
If you're talking about the stock Android GS4, that actually does help. It would basically be treated as a Nexus device, thus would benefit from the same streamlined approach other Nexus devices benefit from. In other words, what happens to one, will happen to the other (as long as the hardware can handle it...so this may not apply a few years from now).
It answers those clamoring for lack of immediate updates but it doesn't address fragmentation because what you essentially have now is GS4 Google edition and GS4 Touchwiz edition. One will be running the latest and greatest from Mountain View whilst the other might be months behind. One app may work here but not there. A feature may be present here but not there.
Fragmentation still exist.
Just got done reading another one of your threads. I found myself kind of surprised now that you use an HTC One, knowing that it is vastly inferior to Touchwiz. Touchwiz is more feature filled, more capable than Sense, yet you choose to use an inferior interface. Preference is key, but just realize you are using an inferior Android interface. Also, while you tout the pure Android experience, you realize it is also inferior to Touchwiz, because you can prefer to not do things one way (S-features), but you have to admit that it is the inferior way of doing things.
Fragmentation is more that that...lots of different devices with different screen resolutions and OS. That's just the phones. And now we have same Galaxy phone with 2 fragmented OS.
I just fail to see how this causes more fragmentation. Maybe you're using the wrong word? Maybe you mean it might cause more "confusion"?
I'm using the word fragmentation to mean what people constantly knock Android about.. no immediate updates, not having the latest features, not having the latest APIs to update apps, etc.
Remember, stock Android existed before this day. All that changed today is it's on one more device (which makes said device arguably better by bringing it closer to Google and their software).
Again, maybe you mean confusion.
As for sales, yeah, who knows how well it'll sell. I have no prediction.
Oh look, Siri features for Google now like location based reminders 
EDIT: Have to say though, looks cool.
EDIT: Have to say though, looks cool.
So would you guys just prefer android to only offer stock android? That be bad for people that love skinned versions.
I've always thought of fragmentation in Android as the HUGE number of display resolutions, sizes, software skins that cause a less optimized experience when compared to something like iOS.
So we are obviously using the term differently (though I take issue with you saying I'm using it "wrong"). I understand what you're saying through your definition.
You're also assuming I'm using the word negatively. Only stating it will add to fragmentation. I never said choice was bad.
Uhms. Okay. Please reread my posts. Good luck.
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Likewise. Mutual understanding. I'd only add that this is still a great thing. Any lover of stock Android, any hater of carrier bloatware/OEM software skins, this is a great thing.
It's ironic that you might pick it up, while I might pass on it.
I'm just excited about the potentials and what this means for Android going forward.His post is just like some posts you made in another thread I just had the 'pleasure' of reading.
More choice is always good but with Android there will always be an acquired downside of fragmentation, even more so the more iterations of choice made available. Unless they go the Microsoft route.
Do not think resolution makes much of a difference considering how Android handles scaling and resolution changes. Also how is stock Android fragmented?
What? This is a great thing to beat fragmentation. I applaud google for taking the initiative.
Never said it eliminates fragmentation. Fragmentation will exist inevitably (it exists on iOS, too). But those that care about it now have yet another option to minimize it.
And again, the bigger picture: as stock Android becomes more pervasive, developers will have their hands on latest APIs more quickly to update their apps.
Please remember, everyone: stock Android existed before today. Nothing has really changed except it's given people another option to address their Android concerns.
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Thank you.
It actually adds to the fragmentation, because now you have Galaxy S4 Touchwiz edition and Galaxy S4 Google edition.
His post is just like some posts you made in another thread I just had the 'pleasure' of reading.
My posts are about Android vs iOS. Not Android vs Android. All the things he's stating about which Android is better than the other, more power to him, but those are exactly the points and freedoms I make against iOS.
In other words, he's sort of arguing half my point for me.
But all right!