Google I/O

[jrswizzle]

I am glad it will have SMS integration. Sounds great to me. I just don't see Apple allowing it into stock messaging app like the article said. On android though it sounds like it will. Just like iMessage, but the difference would be you could still talk to iOS user as well.

I don't understand.....are you saying Apple allowing Hangouts as the stock messaging app?

The article was about SMS integration.....which iMessage already has....you can iMessage other iOS users AND SMS other platform users from the same app.....

Still don't understand your point.

 

[MRU]

I don't understand.....are you saying Apple allowing Hangouts as the stock messaging app?

The article was about SMS integration.....which iMessage already has....you can iMessage other iOS users AND SMS other platform users from the same app.....

Still don't understand your point.

Yeah that's what I don't get why it would be a problem on iOS. It's an SMS not an IM and therefore any phone can receive SMS. Otherwise what's the point ?

 

[mattopotamus]

I don't understand.....are you saying Apple allowing Hangouts as the stock messaging app?

The article was about SMS integration.....which iMessage already has....you can iMessage other iOS users AND SMS other platform users from the same app.....

Still don't understand your point.

I think that is what he means. While apple may not allow it to be set as default, you could essentially use hangouts for your SMS. Probably would be a pain since on the iphone you would then get double notifications.

 

[jrswizzle]

I do not know if "hinted at the possibility of SMS integration" really means anything...

If you actually read the Google+ convo, she outright says "SMS integration is coming soon" because its the most asked for feature.

I'll be slightly skeptical too though until its released.....hopeful and excited though!

 

[mattopotamus]

If you actually read the Google+ convo, she outright says "SMS integration is coming soon" because its the most asked for feature.

I'll be slightly skeptical too though until its released.....hopeful and excited though!

I just saw your thread

 

[jrswizzle]

I think that is what he means. While apple may not allow it to be set as default, you could essentially use hangouts for your SMS. Probably would be a pain since on the iphone you would then get double notifications.

Ok - if he's referring to setting a certain app as the default messenger I understand that....

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I just saw your thread

Ha not mine, Tinmania's but ya that's where I saw that too.

 

[rtomyj]

Ok your example is garbage. If you don't have an iphone you can iMessage. If you don't have service you can text. Again I ask what good does iMessage do you? Great that your iphone works in your basement who give a crap? There are plenty of people that no matter what network they are on dont get service at their house or maybe at work. To Blame it on the carrier is crazy. Google hangouts does work for us to use. iMessage does not. I don't think my example if just a small percentage or people either. Does everyone you know thought your short 19 years on this earth use iPhones? Yes I know your generation is spoiled and thinks everyone owns an iphone, but that is just not try.

BTW you do not have to sign up for a google plus account to use hangouts. You just need a gmail account. Which she and most of my contacts already have. Good try though.

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Well that just proved my point. Like I said it will only be on android at first because well as we all know Apple does not allow these kinds of things to work with their stock apps.

That sounds like Google is responding to criticism of its app to me. If they were really thinking about it they would've released SMS integration along with the hangouts they released at IO.

Finally. I actually have to work for all the stuff I own. My Windows PC. My first smart phone which was a droid Incredible which sucked. My Nexus 7 tablet. Etc. etc. My parents stopped buying stuff for me when I was like 15 or 14. I guess I am spoiled… All the people I talk to are spoiled as well I suppose. But hey I guess name-calling and stuff gets points across better than actual intelligent conversation. >_>

 

[bmac4]

I don't understand.....are you saying Apple allowing Hangouts as the stock messaging app?

The article was about SMS integration.....which iMessage already has....you can iMessage other iOS users AND SMS other platform users from the same app.....

Still don't understand your point.

Ok so people in this thread keep talking about hangouts being underwhelming. I don't understand that. They act like iMessage is something special, but I can iMessage anyone nor can anyone iMessage me. I can how ever send a hangout message to anyone I know on iOS.

Now with all that being said being disappointed about it if you are on iOS does not make sense. Why because even if they did add SMS integration it would only be with the android stock messaging app. iOS would have to still have a different app for hangouts, but at least they could receive messages from android phones without using SMS. That is all I am trying to point out.

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That sounds like Google is responding to criticism of its app to me. If they were really thinking about it they would've released SMS integration along with the hangouts they released at IO.

Finally. I actually have to work for all the stuff I own. My Windows PC. My first smart phone which was a droid Incredible which sucked. My Nexus 7 tablet. Etc. etc. My parents stopped buying stuff for me when I was like 15 or 14. I guess I am spoiled… All the people I talk to are spoiled as well I suppose. But hey I guess name-calling and stuff gets points across better than actual intelligent conversation. >_>

I never once name called. I said your generation is spoiled. Your example suggest that everyone has an iphone or should because iMessage is better. Why don't you go back and read your previous statement and then come talk to me intelligent conversation. You tell me that is my sister can't get service or spotty service she should get another carrier. Then you tell me I need a google+ account to get hangouts. Tell me that is intelligent conversation.

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Ok - if he's referring to setting a certain app as the default messenger I understand that....

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Ha not mine, Tinmania's but ya that's where I saw that too.

Yea sorry I was not more clear. I am saying it want be in the same messaging app on iOS. I think some people think it was going to be. Or at least that is what they talked like.

 

[tjl3]

Ok so people in this thread keep talking about hangouts being underwhelming. I don't understand that. They act like iMessage is something special, but I can iMessage anyone nor can anyone iMessage me. I can how ever send a hangout message to anyone I know on iOS.

That's not true. You can only send a hangout message to someone on iOS IF they ALSO have hangouts. The thing it does not address, YET, is maintaining conversations w/ people who are not on hangouts. iOS breaks down that barrier, but you're right only for their closed ecosystem. Both applications have their upside and downside. Google is far from finished, but has a far better potential (that hasn't been reached).

 

[bmac4]

That's not true. You can only send a hangout message to someone on iOS IF they ALSO have hangouts. The thing it does not address, YET, is maintaining conversations w/ people who are not on hangouts. iOS breaks down that barrier, but you're right only for their closed ecosystem. Both applications have their upside and downside. Google is far from finished, but has a far better potential (that hasn't been reached).

Yea I understand you have to have the app on iOS. Sorry if I did not make that clear. I just like the idea of at some point having SMS integration where there is not on android with iMessage, and I doubt there ever will be.

 

[Peterg2]

you can bet that htc right now is saying wtf didn't we think of putting the dev version with pure android and teamed up with google on it

I don't think so. The great majority of S4 buyers I fancy are happy enough with Touchwiz and like a lot of the features and gimmicks. Features like the Samsung UI for the camera will be lost which I understand is very good. This is not "all good" for some users.

This announcement is essentially for technical users who are a minority of buyers worldwide. As for the effect of this announcement on the stock price, this essentially did nothing. HTC and Samsung's stock prices were seemingly not affected by this news. HTC went up by almost 3% but this was obviously not related to the Google I/O announcement. Samsung went up by a marginal 0.5% and is probably unrelated to this as well:

http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=2498.TW

http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=005930.KS

 

[Nermal]

Nope nothing showing up here, are you sure you weren't on google's US page as you should see regional pricing.

I'm definitely on the NZ site; regular "pay per track" downloads are listed in NZD. Additionally, Books and Movies aren't showing up since Google hasn't bothered to bring those to NZ yet.

 

[rtomyj]

Ok so people in this thread keep talking about hangouts being underwhelming. I don't understand that. They act like iMessage is something special, but I can iMessage anyone nor can anyone iMessage me. I can how ever send a hangout message to anyone I know on iOS.

Now with all that being said being disappointed about it if you are on iOS does not make sense. Why because even if they did add SMS integration it would only be with the android stock messaging app. iOS would have to still have a different app for hangouts, but at least they could receive messages from android phones without using SMS. That is all I am trying to point out.

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I never once name called. I said your generation is spoiled. Your example suggest that everyone has an iphone or should because iMessage is better. Why don't you go back and read your previous statement and then come talk to me intelligent conversation. You tell me that is my sister can't get service or spotty service she should get another carrier. Then you tell me I need a google+ account to get hangouts. Tell me that is intelligent conversation.

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Yea sorry I was not more clear. I am saying it want be in the same messaging app on iOS. I think some people think it was going to be. Or at least that is what they talked like.

Uh no. Never mentioned carrier. Never mentioned everyone had an iPhone. You seem to be putting words in my mouth or filling in what you don't understand. What I did say is that your example is very circumstantial. It seemed like you where blaming iMessage for not being cross-platform when its just the circumstance that is to blame. Why go and add another messenger that adds nothing new when you can use facebook if push comes to shove. Seems like a straightforward argument.

I guess calling me an incompetent dev for not blindly loving everything the Goog brings out and grouping me with your view of my generation isn't insulting, huh?

The point we were arguing is, nothing groudbreaking came out of Google yesterday. Case closed. You didn't prove me wrong and this little red herring is fun but I'm done.

 

[mattopotamus]

I know I keep hating on hangouts, but another weird thing...if I sign out on my phone it keeps me logged in on my computer and vice versa. They are not really tied together. A status change on the computer does not mean a status change on my phone =/.

I just messaged one of my accounts and it showed on my computer, and then when I logged into my phone it also showed again. I think they have a lot of issues they need to work on, and it is very much a beta product.

 

[jrswizzle]

I think the biggest things to come out of I/O yesterday were (in this order):

-Google Studio (and the various dev tools within)
-Galaxy S4 Google Edition
-Play Music All Access
-Play Games
-Various APIs
-Hangouts

For me, nothing blew my socks off, but I wouldn't say I was underwhelmed.....just whelmed.

The GS4 Google Edition is exciting to me though.....looking forward to getting one of those suckers!

 

[0dev]

The Galaxy S4 was cool. The rest was just more crap trying to force people to use Google+. Stop trying to make Google+ happen, Google. It's not gonna happen.

 

[lordofthereef]

The Galaxy S4 was cool. The rest was just more crap trying to force people to use Google+. Stop trying to make Google+ happen, Google. It's not gonna happen.

Incorporate SMS into hangouts (essentially an iMessage clone, if we want to call it that) and WATCH it happen.

 

[Michael Goff]

I think the biggest things to come out of I/O yesterday were (in this order):

-Google Studio (and the various dev tools within)
-Galaxy S4 Google Edition
-Play Music All Access
-Play Games
-Various APIs
-Hangouts

For me, nothing blew my socks off, but I wouldn't say I was underwhelmed.....just whelmed.

The GS4 Google Edition is exciting to me though.....looking forward to getting one of those suckers!

When I read this, my first thought was Young Justice. XD

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The Galaxy S4 was cool. The rest was just more crap trying to force people to use Google+. Stop trying to make Google+ happen, Google. It's not gonna happen.

It's not going to happen means roughly 200 million people actively using it every month?

 

[jrswizzle]

When I read this, my first thought was Young Justice. XD

That's exactly where it came from

Shame they cancelled it.....was such a great cartoon!

 

[bmac4]

Uh no. Never mentioned carrier. Never mentioned everyone had an iPhone. You seem to be putting words in my mouth or filling in what you don't understand. What I did say is that your example is very circumstantial. It seemed like you where blaming iMessage for not being cross-platform when its just the circumstance that is to blame. Why go and add another messenger that adds nothing new when you can use facebook if push comes to shove. Seems like a straightforward argument.

I guess calling me an incompetent dev for not blindly loving everything the Goog brings out and grouping me with your view of my generation isn't insulting, huh?

The point we were arguing is, nothing groudbreaking came out of Google yesterday. Case closed. You didn't prove me wrong and this little red herring is fun but I'm done.

Never said anything about iMessage or the iphone? then what is this?

And hangouts is going to be a poor man's iMessage… Sorry buddy. Why should I go around giving people my Gmail address when I can just use my cell phone number and if people have an iPhone it redirects to an iMessage? Let me reword that, it doesn't have to be cross-platform because it just works.

And then you did again here

Now my specific example. You have friends on iOS, Android, windows and BB. Lets say 100 friends since its easier. 10% are using Google Plus (generous for me really). That's 10 people you can message. Now lets pick it up further using your example. Lets say your sister can't text at all but somehow has wifi or any other connection. You have a N4. Is it easier for her to use A) Facebook B) Sign up for Google Plus just to message you? Cross platform is cool but Google cherry picks. In this case iMessage does work. You don't have anyone to blame but the circumstance of not having a cell network. You could however blame Google for focussing on cross platform rather than SMS integration.

By the way, G Maps isn't too hot in my area where Apple maps excels. The UI for driving directions is also stellar so thanks for asking ^_^.

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Oh and how is calling who intelligent

That sounds like Google is responding to criticism of its app to me. If they were really thinking about it they would've released SMS integration along with the hangouts they released at IO.

Finally. I actually have to work for all the stuff I own. My Windows PC. My first smart phone which was a droid Incredible which sucked. My Nexus 7 tablet. Etc. etc. My parents stopped buying stuff for me when I was like 15 or 14. I guess I am spoiled… All the people I talk to are spoiled as well I suppose. But hey I guess name-calling and stuff gets points across better than actual intelligent conversation. >_>

Again you were wrong because I never once called you specially a name nor did I ever call you unintelligent. I did say you did not have a clue what you are talking about when saying you need a Google+ account to use hangouts, and then I said you are the one who needs to have an intelligent conversation.

I never once name called. I said your generation is spoiled. Your example suggest that everyone has an iphone or should because iMessage is better. Why don't you go back and read your previous statement and then come talk to me intelligent conversation. You tell me that is my sister can't get service or spotty service she should get another carrier. Then you tell me I need a google+ account to get hangouts. Tell me that is intelligent conversation.

I guess calling me an incompetent dev for not blindly loving everything the Goog brings out and grouping me with your view of my generation isn't insulting, huh?

I dont recall ever calling you incompetent. You can say what ever you want, but I have proved most of what you said I said about you wrong. Yes I did miss read your post about the carrier, but that was it. Go away and cry and run away.

Have fun running away. Also I did prove how important yesterdays keynote was. Whether you want to believe it or not, or just live in your Apple bubble is fine. Hangouts was something to build with, S4 Google edition was big because now it shows other OEMs that they can do the same (whether you think OEMs could have been doing this all along is moot), and the API's were very nice too. You can choice not care, but coming on this thread and telling everyone the iPhone just works and so does iMessage want get you very far. You prove nothing with those statements. Sure iMessage works for iphone users, but what about beyond that? An iPhone "just works" for you. Not everyone. It has been great listening to your empty claims, and love for Apple.

 

[0dev]

Incorporate SMS into hangouts (essentially an iMessage clone, if we want to call it that) and WATCH it happen.

Nah, it won't happen. People didn't use the old G+ Messenger app and they won't use this either. WhatsApp does the whole integration with phone numbers thing already.

It's not going to happen means roughly 200 million people actively using it every month?

I wish people would stop quoting that BS number. Google makes everyone with a Google account "upgrade" to Google+. Doesn't mean all of those people are using Google+ as a social network.

 

[Michael Goff]

Nah, it won't happen. People didn't use the old G+ Messenger app and they won't use this either. WhatsApp does the whole integration with phone numbers thing already.



I wish people would stop quoting that BS number. Google makes everyone with a Google account "upgrade" to Google+. Doesn't mean all of those people are using Google+ as a social network.

BS number? No, the BS number is 390 million accounts. The 190 million is the people who actively use it.

 

[bmac4]

I think the biggest things to come out of I/O yesterday were (in this order):

-Google Studio (and the various dev tools within)
-Galaxy S4 Google Edition
-Play Music All Access
-Play Games
-Various APIs
-Hangouts

For me, nothing blew my socks off, but I wouldn't say I was underwhelmed.....just whelmed.

The GS4 Google Edition is exciting to me though.....looking forward to getting one of those suckers!

So jrswizzle I have been getting a lot of heat for this all day, but when I hear SMS integration I am thinking something like iMessage for android. I am thinking the stock messaging app on my nexus 4 will have hangouts integrated. Put me in the right direction if you don't see it this way.

If in fact they do integrate the sms messaging app and hangouts. What would that mean for skinned android phones like your HTC One? All of the OEMs have their own SMS app. This would now require OEMs to create an SMS messaging app that fits their skin, and also now have to integrate something with it. Dont get me wrong I would love this to happen. I just see it being another one of those things OEMs are slow to add to their phones.
Lets just forget about ios for a minute. I have had enough back and forth about ios for one day.

 

[rMBA13]

The best part of the Google I/O..... nothing.

 

[bmac4]

http://gizmodo.com/everything-google-tried-to-kill-today-at-google-i-o-506906642

So here is an article gizmodo just posted. I think this kind of sums up how I felt about the keynote, and maybe a fresh way to look at how big these things might be.