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Google I/O

tjl3 said:
Having the pure Android experience isn't a huge step b/c it doesn't really provide anything that consumers don't have access to. I'd even argue that the big draw is the unlocked bootloader. With that, the product is considerably more intriguing.

The Hangouts issue isn't just an iOS issue. It IS still a multi platform issue. I'm just pointing out the huge issue that still exists, and that is being a Google (contacts + Chrome) specific service. But I read a rumor that SMS is coming soon, so that will knock down a lot of the barriers that is holding Hangouts back.

I don't understand your last point. Google could very well develop a Google All Access app... I mean iOS has Spotify and Pandora does it not? Again, I love the idea behind this product. But I can see where users would be hesitant to migrate to it. As for iRadio, we haven't seen what Apple aims to offer. But you're right, I'd have the same opinion of it.
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I understand that hangouts is still not what people that it was going to be, but it is still not a bad thing. It is a step in the right direction. I think I have stated this before, but the only OS that will get SMS will be android. Apple will never allow hangouts to access the stock android app. Not will they allow an alternate messaging app. You can keep hoping, but I think as an iOS user if you are you will be disappointed.

You can disagree with me on the stock android, but me and a lot other people think it is an opening to put stock android on more devices.
 
bmac4 said:
It was underwhelming to you because all the leaks were for bigger things. This is why you can listen to all the reports half are not true.
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Yeah... I think that's the problem as far as being underwhelmed.


All the leaks leading up to Google I/O for

speculation over KLP
Nexus 7 new version
Nexus 4 / Nexus 11
Google X
'Babel' and the reports of it being more than just google+ messenger & talk
 
MacRumorUser said:
Because it's fundamentally just google+ and google talk rolled into one.

It doesn't solve the problem of there being too many / wide variety of already existing messaging services.

WhatsApp can be used on both... Facebook Messenger can be used on both....

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Quite a lot for some of us.... Looking at my contacts list of the 150 or so contacts and only 10 appear on google talk / hangouts.
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But again I will ask what where you expecting? iMessage only works on Apple, so there is nothing special about that. Sure other apps do what hangouts does now, but this is just the beginning for hangouts. Pulling all the google messaging apps together was needed.
 
bmac4 said:
I understand that hangouts is still not what people that it was going to be, but it is still not a bad thing. It is a step in the right direction. I think I have stated this before, but the only OS that will get SMS will be android. Apple will never allow hangouts to access the stock android app. Not will they allow an alternate messaging app. You can keep hoping, but I think as an iOS user if you are you will be disappointed.

You can disagree with me on the stock android, but me and a lot other people think it is an opening to put stock android on more devices.
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you can bet that htc right now is saying wtf didn't we think of putting the dev version with pure android and teamed up with google on it
 
sentinelsx said:
Project butter and google now unveiling.

Underwhelming?
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really? project butter and google now were key highlights to android 4.1 which was announced at i/o last year. in addition, there was nexus q and nexus 7, big updates to google play, project glass was unveiled, and ios versions of chrome and drive were announced.

i'm not saying this year's i/o was underwhelming, but your over simplified recollection of last year's event is silly and disingenuous.
 
bmac4 said:
But again I will ask what where you expecting? iMessage only works on Apple, so there is nothing special about that. Sure other apps do what hangouts does now, but this is just the beginning for hangouts. Pulling all the google messaging apps together was needed.
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I am not mentioning iMessage though so why are you bringing up the comparison ?

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siurpeeman said:
really? project butter and google now were key highlights to android 4.1 which was announced at i/o last year. in addition, there was nexus q and nexus 7, big updates to google play, project glass was unveiled, and ios versions of chrome and drive were announced.

i'm not saying this year's i/o was underwhelming, but your over simplified recollection of last year's event is silly and disingenuous.
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Thank you.
 
MacRumorUser said:
Yeah... I think that's the problem as far as being underwhelmed.


All the leaks leading up to Google I/O for

speculation over KLP
Nexus 7 new version
Nexus 4 / Nexus 11
Google X
'Babel' and the reports of it being more than just google+ messenger & talk
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Yes but again they can do it all. And there was no backing from google to support any of this stuff. You would not have had the same feeling had you not had all those rumors. I mean had hangouts added SMS it would have not worked on iOS anyways, so people would still be complaining about that.
 
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bmac4 said:
Yes but again they can do it all. And there was no backing from google to support any of this stuff. You would not have had the same feeling had you not had all those rumors. I mean had hangouts added SMS it would have not worked on iOS anyways, so people would still be complaining about that.
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Why wouldn't SMS work on that.

Simply a iOS user would receive the SMS via messaging, and when they reply it would appear on my Hangouts on Android.

That seems perfectly acceptable to me. Heck even Facebook Messenger can do that !!!
 
Shadow Puppy said:
If they are using an Android phone, you don't have to get them to sign up for anything. Whether they still have Talk or Hangouts, it still works all the same.



Who led you to believe that? I don't recall Google EVER tell you something that ridiculous. That's an expectation you developed on your own.


See what happens when you listen to blog sites and let them get you all amped up? The purpose of the initial release was simple, unify the messaging on Google platforms. In other words, it's purpose was to make it so you didn't have to use G+ to message one person, Talk to message another, etc. Blog sites and everyone else to the leaks and ran with it, creating these visions of grandeur. You let yourself down. More functionality will come to it down the road, but from the beginning, the initial release's purpose was simple and clear.
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You are exactly right. We as observers created this idea in our mind that Hangouts SHOULD be something, when Google is intending it to be the foundation for (hopefully) what we imagine it as it matures.

I will say this though, even if you do have an Android phone, until they implement SMS, Hangouts does not address your personal contacts, but just your G+ or gmail contacts.
 
MacRumorUser said:
Why wouldn't SMS work on that.

Simply a iOS user would receive the SMS via messaging, and when they reply it would appear on my Hangouts on Android.

That seems perfectly acceptable to me. Heck even Facebook Messenger can do that !!!
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Yes, but it will only forward the message not become part of your messaging app.

What did you expect hangouts to be? It is a google service you know, so you have to be involved in their service some how. Apple would not add service without you having to be part of there services before.
 
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siurpeeman said:
really? project butter and google now were key highlights to android 4.1 which was announced at i/o last year. in addition, there was nexus q and nexus 7, big updates to google play, project glass was unveiled, and ios versions of chrome and drive were announced.

i'm not saying this year's i/o was underwhelming, but your over simplified recollection of last year's event is silly and disingenuous.
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Meh i would take android studio as bigger than all those.

It is time we can also enjoy good apps and develop things ourselves instead of drooling over hardware all the time.
 
bmac4 said:
Oh boy the "it just works" statement. Man I love it. Ok what about this. I have a nexus 4 and my sister has an iphone 4. Where she works does not have cell reception. She has wifi though. Does iMessage just work now? I know group me and now hangouts does now. That is why cross platform is so important, but Apple does not do it so it does not matter. Hangouts is just the beginning I am sure google will build on that.

How about those maps you are using on your iphone. Do they just work?

Yes OEMs have been able to put stock android on their phones, but they have not done it yet. This is what I am saying if you could just read my post. This now opens the door for more OEMs to do the same. Which is great for google. Whether they do it or not it is up to them.

Again Google+ is something you don't use, but that does not mean no body does. I know you are stuck in the Apple bubble and think that if Apple does not make it or use it then no body does, but I got news for you. This is just not true. For people like me that use google+ to backup photos like iCloud does. This is great. We can just upload our photos and google does the work for me. If I don't like it then I can do it myself.
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I do use Google Plus. No one I know does buy the communities are cool, Android groupthink, but cool.

The scenario is really specific. Even with very little reception in the basement of my school I can still text.

Now my specific example. You have friends on iOS, Android, windows and BB. Lets say 100 friends since its easier. 10% are using Google Plus (generous for me really). That's 10 people you can message. Now lets pick it up further using your example. Lets say your sister can't text at all but somehow has wifi or any other connection. You have a N4. Is it easier for her to use A) Facebook B) Sign up for Google Plus just to message you? Cross platform is cool but Google cherry picks. In this case iMessage does work. You don't have anyone to blame but the circumstance of not having a cell network. You could however blame Google for focussing on cross platform rather than SMS integration.

By the way, G Maps isn't too hot in my area where Apple maps excels. The UI for driving directions is also stellar so thanks for asking ^_^.

How does having the ability to do something they where already able to do opening doors to OEM's?

Finally. I actually prefer iClouds way. I take a pic. Turn wifi on while charging overnight and it's on my computer and all other devices I have (granted for a month or so). I don't like cloud for storage of photos since ill forget about it. Others, like yourself, use it though so I could care less. Any who, I've been able to do this on G+ for a while I don't know what's new about it or what your arguing on this one...

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bmac4 said:
I understand that hangouts is still not what people that it was going to be, but it is still not a bad thing. It is a step in the right direction. I think I have stated this before, but the only OS that will get SMS will be android. Apple will never allow hangouts to access the stock android app. Not will they allow an alternate messaging app. You can keep hoping, but I think as an iOS user if you are you will be disappointed.

You can disagree with me on the stock android, but me and a lot other people think it is an opening to put stock android on more devices.
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A lot of people thought Hitler was right. Don't let others justify opinion.
BTW, I'm 19 ^_^
Deep isn't it.
 
gmanist1000 said:
The average consumer is going to be VERY confused about the same phone with different software on it. I can't wait to see their reactions. :D
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No they won't. It's no different than a person that buys their first smartphone, no matter what OS it's running. The "average" consumer doesn't even know what an OS is. They buy based on what their friends have, what it looks like, and what carrier their feature phone is on.

I know lots of people that are very happy with what they have no matter if its Android or iOS.
 
rtomyj said:
I do use Google Plus. No one I know does buy the communities are cool, Android groupthink, but cool.

The scenario is really specific. Even with very little reception in the basement of my school I can still text.

Now my specific example. You have friends on iOS, Android, windows and BB. Lets say 100 friends since its easier. 10% are using Google Plus (generous for me really). That's 10 people you can message. Now lets pick it up further using your example. Lets say your sister can't text at all but somehow has wifi or any other connection. You have a N4. Is it easier for her to use A) Facebook B) Sign up for Google Plus just to message you? Cross platform is cool but Google cherry picks. In this case iMessage does work. You don't have anyone to blame but the circumstance of not having a cell network. You could however blame Google for focussing on cross platform rather than SMS integration.

By the way, G Maps isn't too hot in my area where Apple maps excels. The UI for driving directions is also stellar so thanks for asking ^_^.

How does having the ability to do something they where already able to do opening doors to OEM's?

Finally. I actually prefer iClouds way. I take a pic. Turn wifi on while charging overnight and it's on my computer and all other devices I have (granted for a month or so). I don't like cloud for storage of photos since ill forget about it. Others, like yourself, use it though so I could care less. Any who, I've been able to do this on G+ for a while I don't know what's new about it or what your arguing on this one...

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A lot of people thought Hitler was right. Don't let others justify opinion.
BTW, I'm 19 ^_^
Deep isn't it.
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The highlighted you can do the exact same with DropBox... pictures, videos documents....then share with everyone you choose by sharing folders. Dropbox works cross-platform......
 
rtomyj said:
I do use Google Plus. No one I know does buy the communities are cool, Android groupthink, but cool.

The scenario is really specific. Even with very little reception in the basement of my school I can still text.

Now my specific example. You have friends on iOS, Android, windows and BB. Lets say 100 friends since its easier. 10% are using Google Plus (generous for me really). That's 10 people you can message. Now lets pick it up further using your example. Lets say your sister can't text at all but somehow has wifi or any other connection. You have a N4. Is it easier for her to use A) Facebook B) Sign up for Google Plus just to message you? Cross platform is cool but Google cherry picks. In this case iMessage does work. You don't have anyone to blame but the circumstance of not having a cell network. You could however blame Google for focussing on cross platform rather than SMS integration.

By the way, G Maps isn't too hot in my area where Apple maps excels. The UI for driving directions is also stellar so thanks for asking ^_^.

How does having the ability to do something they where already able to do opening doors to OEM's?

Finally. I actually prefer iClouds way. I take a pic. Turn wifi on while charging overnight and it's on my computer and all other devices I have (granted for a month or so). I don't like cloud for storage of photos since ill forget about it. Others, like yourself, use it though so I could care less. Any who, I've been able to do this on G+ for a while I don't know what's new about it or what your arguing on this one...

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A lot of people thought Hitler was right. Don't let others justify opinion.
BTW, I'm 19 ^_^
Deep isn't it.
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Ok your example is garbage. If you don't have an iphone you can iMessage. If you don't have service you can text. Again I ask what good does iMessage do you? Great that your iphone works in your basement who give a crap? There are plenty of people that no matter what network they are on dont get service at their house or maybe at work. To Blame it on the carrier is crazy. Google hangouts does work for us to use. iMessage does not. I don't think my example if just a small percentage or people either. Does everyone you know thought your short 19 years on this earth use iPhones? Yes I know your generation is spoiled and thinks everyone owns an iphone, but that is just not try.

BTW you do not have to sign up for a google plus account to use hangouts. You just need a gmail account. Which she and most of my contacts already have. Good try though.

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RMXO said:
You guys wanted SMS integration in hangout +? You now have it.

http://www.androidpit.com/sms-intergration-on-the-way-for-hangouts

Very good news
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Well that just proved my point. Like I said it will only be on android at first because well as we all know Apple does not allow these kinds of things to work with their stock apps.
 
bmac4 said:
Well that just proved my point. Like I said it will only be on android at first because well as we all know Apple does not allow these kinds of things to work with their stock apps.
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But if it sends a SMS surely that will still be received on an IOS device. It's just an SMS at the end of the day, and so when the IOS user replies back it will come into your google hangouts ??? :confused:
 
bmac4 said:
Well that just proved my point. Like I said it will only be on android at first because well as we all know Apple does not allow these kinds of things to work with their stock apps.
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Hangouts isn't a stock app on the iPhone......if Google wanted to add the SMS integration, they could try for the iOS app as well.

Regardless, SMS itself is cross-platform so this would allow me to text from my One (over wifi because the service in my house sucks due to radiant barrier) to my family (all iPhones) easily through Hangouts to iMessage.

I could also text via iMessage on my iPhone (again, over wifi) to my brother-in-law who uses Android hangouts.

I don't understand what ya'll are fighting about?

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A thought I wanted to pass along in light of all these new "cross-platform" features from Google.....are we not surprised that, given Google's business is data, they are more willing to spread their services across ALL platforms versus a company, Apple, wanting to use primarily one-platform services given they are a software/hardware company.....
 
jrswizzle said:
Hangouts isn't a stock app on the iPhone......if Google wanted to add the SMS integration, they could try for the iOS app as well.

Regardless, SMS itself is cross-platform so this would allow me to text from my One (over wifi because the service in my house sucks due to radiant barrier) to my family (all iPhones) easily through Hangouts to iMessage.

I could also text via iMessage on my iPhone (again, over wifi) to my brother-in-law who uses Android hangouts.

I don't understand what ya'll are fighting about?
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I am glad it will have SMS integration. Sounds great to me. I just don't see Apple allowing it into stock messaging app like the article said. On android though it sounds like it will. Just like iMessage, but the difference would be you could still talk to iOS user as well.
 
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