I tend to agree with you here. Hangouts means absolutely zero to me because 75% of my contacts use iOS devices. Music and books do nothing for me. The wallet idea is just Paypal again right? Very underwhelming for me personally and what I was hoping for.
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I tend to agree with you here. Hangouts means absolutely zero to me because 75% of my contacts use iOS devices. Music and books do nothing for me. The wallet idea is just Paypal again right? Very underwhelming for me personally and what I was hoping for.
Look, I am both an Android and iOS user. Have used both from day 1. Also use Blackberry and Windows Mobile and now Windows Phone OS.
I think people are hyper critical of Apple yet giving Google a pass.
It's been close to 1 year since the last Google I/O which they presented 1. Jelly Bean OS, 2. Nexus 7 tablet and 3. Dropped the Galaxy Nexus to $349 (plus a couple more things that didn't pan out).
So I do not see any major criticism of 1. No new Nexus tablet?. I do not see any major criticism of no Key Lime Pie?
About the only "surprise" was a stock Galaxy S4 that's available at $650. Google charges shipping from it's play store.
So a stock S4 with shipping will end up costing more than a iPhone 5 unlock from the Apple store. And people say Apple's product is over priced?
I'm just very disappointed in Google I/O. They focus on things the consumer isn't excited about. Google is so far behind in the united messaging game. I do not think they can catch up. Sure they updated their maps. But it's nothing any regular consumer gets excited about.
I think people are hyper critical of Apple yet giving Google a pass.
It's been close to 1 year since the last Google I/O which they presented 1. Jelly Bean OS, 2. Nexus 7 tablet and 3. Dropped the Galaxy Nexus to $349 (plus a couple more things that didn't pan out).
So I do not see any major criticism of 1. No new Nexus tablet?. I do not see any major criticism of no Key Lime Pie?
About the only "surprise" was a stock Galaxy S4 that's available at $650. Google charges shipping from it's play store.
So a stock S4 with shipping will end up costing more than a iPhone 5 unlock from the Apple store. And people say Apple's product is over priced?
I'm just very disappointed in Google I/O. They focus on things the consumer isn't excited about. Google is so far behind in the united messaging game. I do not think they can catch up. Sure they updated their maps. But it's nothing any regular consumer gets excited about.
*Face palm*
Read what I said clearly and without adding anything please.
Goes something like this.
"Never mentioned carriers or that everyone has iPhones."
I'm done though. I forfeit, I give, you win. Honestly fighting with someone who sees what he wants is pathetic. And no I didn't read the wall of text after what's quoted. Guessing its more feet in mouth and backtracking.
If Hangouts had been released with SMS integration yesterday, it would be near the top of my list.
Hard to rank Hangouts higher though based on the reality - which is simply another (albeit more complete) messaging app that works separately from my most used messenger (my SMS/MMS). Can't take a rumor and assume it to be true....despite how close it seems.
Agreed. If Apple pulled the same stunt. Its "Boring. No innovation since Steve's death. Apple is dead. I'm switching tomorrow morning"
But with Google "eh...its all good. GS4 with stock Android here i come."
I thought the fact that they had a 3hr keynote meant some serious stuff was being being introduced. But alas...
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Google I/O was developer-focused this year, the new head of Android even said so. :|
I can totally see it happening, free messaging cross platform. I have always been keen on good preloaded software, not having to find something else to take care of it. iMessage is one of the biggest things I see people raving about in iOS. I guess our opinions differ here.
Not everybody trusts Google. The name Google = advertising company. People will just assume the company will sell every information about you whenever it gets the chance to do so.
Google might not share information to the US government, but they share them for profits to other companies.
Google might not share information to the US government, but they share them for profits to other companies.
How are Google defining active use? For example, Picasa was made part of Google+, so does someone who uploads photos to Picasa count as an active user of Google+ even if they never use the rest of it? I'm willing to bet the answer is yes. And if someone converts their YouTube account to connect to Google+, I'm guessing that counts too?
As I said, the number is inflated.
What compelling reason is there to switch from WhatsApp to Hangouts? WhatsApp does a lot of the same stuff and it's supported by far more platforms. Plus everyone already uses it.
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Oh yes they do.
Fine go away. I have no idea why a die hard Apple fan like yourself would post in a Google I/O thread. Oh wait to troll. I believe you were the one to said things like hangouts is the poor's man imessage. Easy way to make people mad.
Also you want to talk about putting words in peoples mouths then look at your post about me calling you names. I never once did that. So long and never bother again.
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Yea it is, but check out that article I put up. Some interesting thoughts.
So the lack of proof that they don't, along with "I think" means that the number is inflated? Interesting.
I asked you a question. How does Google define active users? You can't answer that, of course, because Google won't tell anyone. Funny that.
It's easy to tell people your service has hundreds of millions of users when you already run one of the largest internet companies (the largest, even?) in the world and everyone with an account is forced to go through Google+ just to upload photos or IM their friends even if none of those people post a damn thing to their wall (or whatever it's called on Google+, who even knows or cares?)
I don't know what they define as an active user.
Neither do you.
So we're both just going on assumptions. Yours just happens to also be a meme. >_>;
Yea it was wasn't it. All you do is trash Google on this site. Why even waste your time and ours telling us how much you love Apple and how little you like android? Makes no sense at all. Again I will ask why you are writing in the section labeled alternatives to ios? There is no question you are an Apple fan, and don't tell me you have a nexus 7 because I saw your post about it only being used to develop with. Why don't you just go the Apple sections and discuss your dislike for Google and love for everything Apple? They would love to hear it.
I also find it funny you say most everything Google announced at the keynote was catch up, but you gave nothing to back it up. You just told me the iPhone "just work", and so does imessage. The "just works" comment has been way over used on this site. Plus it is just not true. What works for some does not work for everyone. Maybe when you have been posting on here for awhile you will realize some of these things.
I'd argue Google Now was the most significant software launch Google has had in years. Project Butter was also a big step for them. A couple of redesigns and some much-needed APIs and development kits don't really have much impact on end-users, whereas last year did.
I think the big issue with people being underwhelmed had to do with all the "me too" announcements.....
Google released beefed up dev tools (likely to compete with Apple as far as ease on devs).
Google released Play Games with multiplayer and cloud save (iOS Game Center)
Google released new features for Google Now (the features that actually gave Siri somewhat of an advantage in certain cases).
Add to this the fact that not many people care about Google + and Hangouts wasn't released with SMS integration (though its supposedly coming which is awesome), there wasn't much to get excited about.
I mean just look at all the vitriol spewed at Apple every time they release their implementation of a feature Android has. People go nuts and cry about Apple's doom. In somewhat typical "double-standard" fashion, people are upset but not to the point of claiming to switch tomorrow.....
Personally, I quite enjoyed Google's keynote.....then again I enjoy Apple's too. I guess I don't have to be wowed like other people. I found the Google implementations nice and exciting (especially the synced notifications which I trust Apple will be implementing in iveOS 7 as well) and I'm excited about Hangouts eventually getting SMS (though without SMS its just another messaging app to me) and the GS4 Google Edition.
As I stated earlier, generally these keynotes just "whelm" me.....I don't know why people have to get so worked up about these things.
As much as people wanted 4.3, I am happy it didn't come out.
Wait, what?
The thing is, google is helping its users. They are not adding yet another release that someone has to look forward too. They are smarter now, they figured ways to add all this stuff through Apis and apps instead of a complete OS overhaul.
You can get an update to 4.2.2 on your device, be upto date, and use all the new stuff. Heck you can enjoy it even if you didn't have 4.2.2. Everyone joins the fun.
The only people I see being really angry in forums are the nexus owners that they didn't get another exclusive version release.
And this is then most user friendly and customer friendly approach.
It is amazing, had google put all these under the banner "android 4.3" and added another version number, people would be crazy about it, and now it is a "disappointment".
I applaud google this year for caring about the DEVELOPERS, the USERS, the CUSTOMERS, and NOT THE GEEKS.
I like their focus on refining all apps, their focus on app development tools, their focus on consumer stuff like social gaming.
And I see them further refining android unless a completely different way of using smartphone emerges in the future. I think what google did these last three days will be great for everyone a htc, Samsung, Sony, lg, moto, and the rest instead of catering to the nexus subset.
/salute.
Wait, what?
The thing is, google is helping its users. They are not adding yet another release that someone has to look forward too. They are smarter now, they figured ways to add all this stuff through Apis and apps instead of a complete OS overhaul.
You can get an update to 4.2.2 on your device, be upto date, and use all the new stuff. Heck you can enjoy it even if you didn't have 4.2.2. Everyone joins the fun.
The only people I see being really angry in forums are the nexus owners that they didn't get another exclusive version release.
And this is then most user friendly and customer friendly approach.
It is amazing, had google put all these under the banner "android 4.3" and added another version number, people would be crazy about it, and now it is a "disappointment".
I applaud google this year for caring about the DEVELOPERS, the USERS, the CUSTOMERS, and NOT THE GEEKS.
I like their focus on refining all apps, their focus on app development tools, their focus on consumer stuff like social gaming.
And I see them further refining android unless a completely different way of using smartphone emerges in the future. I think what google did these last three days will be great for everyone a htc, Samsung, Sony, lg, moto, and the rest instead of catering to the nexus subset.
/salute.
What if iOS 7 lets you make 3rd party apps the default for things like mail, browser, messaging, etc. and Hangouts gets SMS. That would be awesome. It's probably not ging to happen though.
You know I hadn't thought of it like this but perhaps this is a strategy to limit the fragmentation Android experiences.....
Maybe Google has decided to hold off on major OS updates, feeling like they are in a pretty strong position, in order to allow OEMs and Carriers to "catch up" and get more devices on the latest version of JB.
They can still released new software features through various app updates (like All-Access, play games, etc...) and new dev APIs which will add new features all while keeping the JB version number where it is so more phones jump on that version.
That's actually quite a smart plan.....if that was what they were thinking! I still think we'll see 4.3 soon, but that may be why 5.0 isn't happening. The adoption rate of new Android versions has quickened so hopefully it can build up speed before 5.0 releases (next year?).
I think we will see 4.3 way before we see 5.0. I know that seems like commonsense, but Google saves the first number change for a completely new UI. Like gingerbread to ice cream sandwich. I dont think we will see a major overhaul for a while. Why would they need to? JB is looking good, and with each new refinement it is getting smoother and smoother. I think JB has become a good spot for android for awhile. With all the API and developer tools again they are refining the OS which is totally fine with me. It was different when it was gingerbread. It needed some change. Even ICS had some lag that JB fixed.
Google has gotten to the place were iOS has always been. A good solid look and feel that just needs some updates to keep up with the time. Now I have argued that it may be time for Apple to do a big change, but honestly why? Its solid, people still love, and it does what a smartphone is suppose to do. I think we can now say the same about android.
Would I have liked to have seen a new updated android 4.3 sure, but do we need it? No I don't think we do. I use to be one of the people jrswizzle is talking about that was always underwhelmed by Apple keynotes, but now I understand it more. I wanted the OS to conform to my needs only. If it did not then well I did not like what they did. I was trying to make Apple what I wanted.
I can say I am happy with the keynote, and the direction Google is going. It is slower now like Apple, but we have to realize that is a good thing. It means Google is doing things right. They will never be able to please everyone, but they are pleasing enough people.
Yep agree 100%. Apple whether I like how they choose to do things or not. Is right where they need to be. Great OS with just enough change to keep loyal customers happy. They also keep me interested. Kind of excited to see what they do in June. Should be great. I think we are now in the best time in terms of mobile OS then we have ever been.
I know everyone wanted to see more from hangouts, but let's let Google do it at their pace. I think it will work better in the end that way. Also imessage was not built over night, and it took some detailing to get it right. Let's let Google do their thing, and us chill out for awhile.
The good thing is that it seems google wants everyone on the same page. There are no first class citizens and second class citizens in android with this game plan.
"Want google keep"?
"Want chrome"?
"Want smooth functions"?
"Want those cool new features in android"?
"Oh you skinned android user, go buy a nexus and see what it feels like to be the first class".
I have seen this response on XDA before and felt like a cliche group was slowly developing in android. Good thing google is trying to squash that.
As far as the Nexus 7 goes, while it'd be nice to have a refresh (especially given that Tegra 3 just isn't as optimized for 4.2 compared to the N4) we're still a good 2 months from the original release date anniversary.
A June date for 4.3 and the refresh makes sense, probably along with the white N4 (which I wish was all white and not delayed so long).
A June date for 4.3 and the refresh makes sense, probably along with the white N4 (which I wish was all white and not delayed so long).