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Tig Bitties

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Curious to know, is the Pixel 5 display flat, as in iPhone 12 Pro flat, not even 2.5 slightly curved but totally flat like old school phones?
 

jdlindsey7

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I’m watching the Apple Event and the Pixel 5 is more exciting. ?‍♀️

I agree. If I were to get any of the iPhones it would be the 12 Pro but that $999 price tag is steep. Especially since Apple devices never go on sale. I would venture a guess that the Pixel 5 could be had around $600 by the end of the year.
 

Tig Bitties

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The new iphones have gorgeous hardware but without a higher refresh rate they're an easy pass for me.

That notch just looks so outdated today in 2020, Apple using the same notch for 4th generation in a row just seems kind of lame on their part for being one of the biggest companies on the planet trillion-dollar business would think they could do better.

I'll give Apple credit and building a high-quality device they sure look pretty and extremely high-end craftsmanship and I'm sure the screen display will be mouth-watering perfect looking. That's about it

I'll take stock Android all day long over iOS.
 
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Tig Bitties

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And the price tag of their new phones the iPhone 12 Pro starts at $1,000 and they go up from there. I'm sorry but that's just ****ing nuts to pay that much money for a cell phone. But same with the Samsung Galaxy note ultra 20 that thing's ridiculously expensive too.

Just on principle I will never spend $1,000+ on a ****ing phone.

But the pro model iPhones aren't their big bread and butter sales king that will be the $699 iPhone 12 that by far the majority of sales go with.
 
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Ludatyk

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The new iphones have gorgeous hardware but without a higher refresh rate they're an easy pass for me.
This idea that the iPhone is in need of a high refresh rate just doesn't make much sense to me.

Don't get me wrong, its nice seeing it on Android... but Apple has tight integration with hardware and software. I just don't see it as a huge difference maker compared to Android. I listen to this podcast on The Verge where MKBHD explained how iPhones have the most smooth 60 hertz on any phone.

The cameras look awesome on the 12 Pro... and I'm sure Apple is going to market the heck out of the cameras!
 

tbayrgs

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I don't want to side track this thread into an Apple event discussion so I'll quickly offer my $0.02 and leave it at that.

For the average iPhone consumer who is looking to upgrade from a 2+ year old iPhone, these look pretty good. They don't care about (or are likely even aware of) high refresh rates. They would probably be more angry if Apple switched to USB-C. The pricing is about what's to be expected--hell, the Pro Models have 5G, more storage, noticeable camera improvements and didn't go up in price (the 256 GB models are actually $50 less). The cameras are once again top notch and the displays have improved, especially on the standard 12 models.

As an early adopter or tech enthusiast, the iPhone 12 model updates are quite lackluster. We want USB-C, high refresh rates, both FaceID and TouchID and saw none of those things.

My household has to add at least one new iPhone every year (5 smartphone users who will not leave iOS behind) so I'll likely be getting a new Pro Max and handing down my 11 Pro Max but if we didn't need to replace an existing iPhone, I wouldn't be upgrading...just really nothing compelling over the 11 Pro models, IMO.

Back to our regularly scheduled Pixel 5 discussion....
 

Ludatyk

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As an early adopter or tech enthusiast, the iPhone 12 model updates are quite lackluster. We want USB-C, high refresh rates, both FaceID and TouchID and saw none of those things.

That TouchID would have been the real game changer, I believe. Especially with everyone having to wear mask out in public, that would of been a much appreciated. But I think Apple has had this design in place before COVID, to immediately revise it would have caused major delays.
 
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No matter how good the iPhone's hardware is and being easily on par, probably better all round camera on the market (beats out Samsung because no beauty crap), I can't go back to an OS where you can't place apps where you want. I'll never shut up about it until Apple give us this simple little feature. And they really took away the charger this year.....

Anyway, a comparison of all the new Pixels. The video rundown shows the 4a out lasting the others. 5G playing a part running in the background?


I'm surprised how much bigger the 4a 5G looks over the 5. That 0.2" really makes a difference. Which I'm sure will be the model I'll eventually settle on for the next few months.
 

Michael Scrip

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No matter how good the iPhone's hardware is and being easily on par, probably better all round camera on the market, I can't go back to an OS where you can't place apps where you want.

While I understand the annoyance... and I agree that it is a silly limitation... did you really chose an entirely different platform because of app icon placement?

I guess I put more importance on the cameras rather than the icons. :p

I'll be getting an iPhone 12 Pro Max to replace my ancient iPhone 6S Plus!
 

Tig Bitties

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Not to go off topic, bit to me iOS still seems like it's 5 years outdated or so. They add stuff here and there every couple years, that ya think should have always been there to start with, but weren't.

iOS 14 seems like it should have been what the iPhone 6 launched with back in like 2014 / 2015.

The Phone app FINALLY was updated this year, not to hijack your screen when an incoming call comes in, LOL That should have been done years ago. And there's tons of annoying outdated things in iOS that just seem untouched or never revised.
 

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While I understand the annoyance... and I agree that it is a silly limitation... did you really chose an entirely different platform because of app icon placement?

I guess I put more importance on the cameras rather than the icons. :p

I'll be getting an iPhone 12 Pro Max to replace my ancient iPhone 6S Plus!
No. But now I've been happily using all kinds of Android phones for a few years, I'm not going back to that because it would drive me nuts.

And it's not simply 'icons'. This limitation affects the way I use my phone and how it looks.
 

Aneres11

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Yeah again apologies to chime in on Apple haha but I expected a bit more from this event.
No touch ID in power button like the iPad Airs.
No 120 or even 90hz.
No reduced notch so still no battery life at a glance unless you swipe for it. Or use the ugly widget.
BORING COLOURS! Where my yellow at?!

However there were pluses. OLED all round, nice variety of devices now at all price levels.

I was planning to upgrade to the 12 but I just don't think there's too much of a difference over the 11 to justify it.

Looking forward to everyone's Pixel 5 thoughts tomorrow though. Using a 4a at the min and I love it so I know you're all in for a treat! Wojder if Google send them in cool packaging like last year's cereal boxes!! Please do post to tell all. :)
 

Awesomesince86

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This idea that the iPhone is in need of a high refresh rate just doesn't make much sense to me.

Don't get me wrong, its nice seeing it on Android... but Apple has tight integration with hardware and software. I just don't see it as a huge difference maker compared to Android. I listen to this podcast on The Verge where MKBHD explained how iPhones have the most smooth 60 hertz on any phone.

The cameras look awesome on the 12 Pro... and I'm sure Apple is going to market the heck out of the cameras!

The average consumer doesnt care or even know about refresh rates. Im saying personally, I wont touch another iPhone until they up the refresh rate. I owned the 11 Pro and when I went back to it from my S20 plus with 120hz the difference was shocking. If you're using the iphone next to other 60hz android phones it will feel really smooth. Once you use it next to a 90Hz or 120Hz phone, you'll notice the difference immediately.
 
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mi7chy

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Pricing alone the new iPhone 12 at $879 for 128GB + $19 for power brick doesn't compete with the $699 Pixel 5 128GB that includes a power brick. When you consider other things like smarts, freedom, UI, etc. the iPhone 12 is even less competitive.
 

Ludatyk

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The average consumer doesnt care or even know about refresh rates. Im saying personally, I wont touch another iPhone until they up the refresh rate. I owned the 11 Pro and when I went back to it from my S20 plus with 120hz the difference was shocking. If you're using the iphone next to other 60hz android phones it will feel really smooth. Once you use it next to a 90Hz or 120Hz phone, you'll notice the difference immediately.

I have the Z Fold 2 and I went back to the Note10+, its noticeable.. I admit that. But it's not drastic enough for me to dismiss 60Hz screens entirely. Heck, if I was the type to carry two phones... I'll jump on board to the 12 Pro just for the camera! I could care less about it being 60Hz.. because I know that new A14 chip will make the OS buttery smooth.
 

noobinator

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To be honest, I have 120hz on my Samsung and it's noticeable when going from an Android with lower hz but not as noticeable to an iPhone with 60hz. iPhones are so smooth the 60hz doesn't bother me. It's only an issue if using 2 Android phones side by side in my opinion. iPhones are the smoooooooothest 60hz possible.
 

Bkdodger

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I have the Z Fold 2 and I went back to the Note10+, its noticeable.. I admit that. But it's not drastic enough for me to dismiss 60Hz screens entirely. Heck, if I was the type to carry two phones... I'll jump on board to the 12 Pro just for the camera! I could care less about it being 60Hz.. because I know that new A14 chip will make the OS buttery smooth.
Welcome to my world... Z Fold is so fast man.. Noticible to me indeed.. I carry 11 Pro Max as well daily so now debating if I want a new color to replace my Midnight green.. Haha..
 
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Aneres11

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I have the Z Fold 2 and I went back to the Note10+, its noticeable.. I admit that. But it's not drastic enough for me to dismiss 60Hz screens entirely. Heck, if I was the type to carry two phones... I'll jump on board to the 12 Pro just for the camera! I could care less about it being 60Hz.. because I know that new A14 chip will make the OS buttery smooth.

I agree with this. My 4a is very smooth - to the point where I don't miss a higher refresh rate.
My problem with the iPhone is the fact that they're marketing a device as 'Pro' and it doesn't have 'pro' features like 120hz which would be an expectation for me at that price point. ESPECIALLY when a £379 Android has a 90hz refresh rate screen.
MKBHD had the same argument last year and he mentioned 120hz then. A year later and Apple still haven't done it.
It's a shame.
 
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Ludatyk

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I agree with this. My 4a is very smooth - to the point where I don't miss a higher refresh rate.
My problem with the iPhone is the fact that they're marketing a device as 'Pro' and it doesn't have 'pro' features like 120hz which would be an expectation for me at that price point. ESPECIALLY when a £379 Android has a 90hz refresh rate screen.
MKBHD had the same argument last year and he mentioned 120hz then. A year later and Apple still haven't done it.
It's a shame.

The only reason why I'm indifferent to Apple upgrading to 120hz is due to how well it performs at 60hz. You have to give Apple credit with how smooth the OS is. It's why developers gravitate toward the device, granted having less fragmentation than Android has more to do with it. But even MKBDH praised Apple for well it does with a 60hz display on a latest Verge podcast.

My point is... I understand the reservation with the "Pro" moniker, but your comparing it to the likes of Android in regards to refresh rate when they were plagued with frame rate drops earlier on during the years.
 
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