Google Pixel 5 and Pixel 5 XL

[michael9891]

A lesser chip did no harm to the 3a/3aXL, no reason why their main phone can't use one either.

 

[jamezr]

A lesser chip did no harm to the 3a/3aXL, no reason why their main phone can't use one either.

right...then the 4a will totally compete with the iPhone SE. It will have a bigger display and better camera.

 

[BMox81]

A couple of things...

First, they didnt go top end with the Pixel 4. They charged top end prices for a mid-range spec'd phone. Mid range design, mid range, ram, mid range storage, mid range battery, mid range storage speed, mid range charging speed. I think the Pixel 4 XL is a great phone, but lets not fool ourselves like Google went all out and made a flagship device. They didnt. If they made a spec monster like the S20 line or even like recent OnePlus devices, paired with their software nobody would be complaining and they would have the best phone on the market. But they didnt.

Second, If you read through the thread, I was on board with the SOC downgrade if it included a bigger battery and cheaper price. But the more I think about it, the more I think they are cutting cost in the wrong areas. And I hate to compare them to Apple, but thats always going to happen. Apple just released a $300 phone that will embarrass the "flagship" Pixel 5 in CPU and GPU performance. They were able to do that but cutting corners in other areas (and because they had a huge stockpile of old parts to makeup the rest of the device, but I digress).

As I've thought about it more, and this wont happen obviously, but I would use the latest SOC with a bigger battery. Keep 90Hz and the display the same. Ditch Soli to improve bezel size and shave cost. Make the phone a great feeling plastic like the 3a, ditch wireless charging and instead add faster wired charging. Up RAM and storage to 8gb and 128GB. Drop the starting price by $200. That phone would be a killer.

Ive said it before here countless times if you read the thread, but Google need to either go all out flagship with the Pixel or go all out Nexus. I think they're attempting to move towards the latter but I'm worried they are cutting cost in the wrong places.

Well it’s clear that they are refining their approach with the 5.

I think most people would accept the lower chip if they get improved battery performance.

But if you’re already thinking that the SE is going to embarrass the P5 then you’ve essentially made your mind up already.

All this talk certainly hasn’t deterred me from getting it when it releases.

But tbh, I can see the vloggers ripping into the phone already when it eventually comes out because it doesn’t have the 865. So as I said, damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

 

[Awesomesince86]

A lesser chip did no harm to the 3a/3aXL, no reason why their main phone can't use one either.

The 3a is a great phone, but it's noticeably slower with more stutters than flagships devices.
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Well it’s clear that they are refining their approach with the 5.

I think most people would accept the lower chip if they get improved battery performance.

But if you’re already thinking that the SE is going to embarrass the P5 then you’ve essentially made your mind up already.

All this talk certainly hasn’t deterred me from getting it when it releases.

But tbh, I can see the vloggers ripping into the phone already when it eventually comes out because it doesn’t have the 865. So as I said, damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

You're are inventing things that I'm not saying. I said the iPhone SE performance will embarrass the Pixel 5. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Compare the latest Apple cpu with the the snapdragon 7xx. It's not even close.

I hope Google pulls more software magic to bridge the gap. I really want the 5 to be a success, I'm just tired of Pixel devices failing to deliver.

 

[BMox81]

The 3a is a great phone, but it's noticeably slower with more stutters than flagships devices.
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You're are inventing things that I'm not saying. I said the iPhone SE performance will embarrass the Pixel 5. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Compare the latest Apple cpu with the the snapdragon 7xx. It's not even close.

I hope Google pulls more software magic to bridge the gap. I really want the 5 to be a success, I'm just tired of Pixel devices failing to deliver.

Why do you care that much if a chip “embarrasses” another? Come on now, these are only phones we’re talking about here.

Perhaps you need to readjust your expectations slightly so that you don’t end up disappointed?

 

[michael9891]

I didn't recall being bothered by the 3a XL being slow. Yes, the camera took a little longer to take HDR pics, but it was a plenty fast enough phone. And what's the goal of a lesser chip? Longer battery and cheaper price. Mission accomplished.

Who cares what an iPhone can do. People buy Pixels because they like them.

 

[Awesomesince86]

Why do you care that much if a chip “embarrasses” another? Come on now, these are only phones we’re talking about here.

Perhaps you need to readjust your expectations slightly so that you don’t end up disappointed?

First off, I don't remember seeing you post here before but how about you worry less about my expectations and what I care about guy. Your opinion differs, which is fine.

I care how the phone performs, period. My reason for bringing up the iPhone is because apple are putting the too available SOC in a $300 phone. The whole reason for Google using the 7xx series is to cut cost. But obviously Apple are finding ways to offer a much cheaper phone without sacrificing power. I get they are sacrificing other places but my whole point is that I think Google could still cut cost, make a great phone, and keep the important features flagship quality. If you don't understand that then I don't know how to help you.

I didn't recall being bothered by the 3a XL being slow. Yes, the camera took a little longer to take HDR pics, but it was a plenty fast enough phone. And what's the goal of a lesser chip? Longer battery and cheaper price. Mission accomplished.

Who cares what an iPhone can do. People buy Pixels because they like them.

You're missing the point here. I don't get how this is getting so misconstrued. I used iPhone as a reference because they just put a top tier soc into a cheap phone. That's why I brought it up. To show that SOC doesn't need to be cheap to cut cost.

The 3a is a fine phone and was fast enough. I used one for months and yes you get used to it. However, when comparing any device on the market you have to look at what you're getting for the cost. If the new Pixel is $100-200 cheaper than the Pixel 4 but is slower it's completely fine. My whole point was I would rather it use cheaper materials and cut wireless charging and use a top tier SOC to reduce cost.

 

[michael9891]

Isn't one of the reasons Google are possibly going with lesser chips to reduce the cost? Apple will probably always have an edge getting more battery life out of chips when they're making them as well as the software.

 

[Awesomesince86]

Isn't one of the reasons Google are possibly going with lesser chips to reduce the cost? Apple will probably always have an edge getting more battery life out of chips when they're making them as well as the software.

Yes, what in my post says anything differently?

I'm saying that I think the better method to cut cost is to use cheaper materials and get rid of wireless charging. I'd rather have a phone that performs beautifully but is made of great feeling plastic like the 3a than have a phone that is glass but is not as fast or smooth as I would like.

 

[michael9891]

And then we'll be right back where we are very year, a high end chip draining the battery.

 

[Awesomesince86]

And then we'll be right back where we are very year, a high end chip draining the battery.

Why's that? S20s have a high end chip and great battery life? Google just needs to not skimp on battery size. It's not rocket science. The screen size, resolution, and refresh rate of the Pixel line deserved at least 300mah higher batteries at a minimum. It was obvious before the phone released when that was the rumored spec.

 

[jamezr]

I don't mind going with a less power hungry chip set.
I don't mind a plastic back either
I don't mind if they get rid of Motion sense
I don't if the get rid of the squeeze function as well
I don't mind if it does not have 5G.

But I do want these things..
I want FaceUnlock!
I want better battery life...don't care if it is by way of bigger battery but this is a must have
I want a better camera...
I want better zoom
I want better wide angle
I want the raise to wake as well


Would be nice to go to a 6.5 or 6.7 inch phone for the XL

 

[Awesomesince86]

I don't mind going with a less power hungry chip set.
I don't mind a plastic back either
I don't mind if they get rid of Motion sense
I don't if the get rid of the squeeze function as well
I don't mind if it does not have 5G.

But I do want these things..
I want FaceUnlock!
I want better battery life...don't care if it is by way of bigger battery but this is a must have
I want a better camera...
I want better zoom
I want better wide angle
I want the raise to wake as well


Would be nice to go to a 6.5 or 6.7 inch phone for the XL

I agree with most of this. What annoys me is that they are going with a lesser SOC and haven't bumped up ram. It's 2020, 8gb of ram on any device over $500 is a must.

 

[tbayrgs]

I don't mind going with a less power hungry chip set.
I don't mind a plastic back either
I don't mind if they get rid of Motion sense
I don't if the get rid of the squeeze function as well
I don't mind if it does not have 5G.

But I do want these things..
I want FaceUnlock!
I want better battery life...don't care if it is by way of bigger battery but this is a must have
I want a better camera...
I want better zoom
I want better wide angle
I want the raise to wake as well


Would be nice to go to a 6.5 or 6.7 inch phone for the XL

Agree with all of this.

I agree with most of this. What annoys me is that they are going with a lesser SOC and haven't bumped up ram. It's 2020, 8gb of ram on any device over $500 is a must.

I just finished listening to this past week’s Android Central podcast. The episode was almost entirely about the Pixel line of phones, past, present and future. TL;DR - Google isn’t building a flagship phone that can compete with its competitors at the prices they’re asking for and the sweet spot is their Pixel ‘a’ line of phones. Jerry Hildenbrand shared the fact that Google sold 10 million of the original Pixel line yet only sold 3 or 4 million of the 3a phones and only 2 million of the Pixel 4 models. The new phones are improvements in many ways, are available on more carriers and have the benefit of consumer familiarity with Pixel phones, yet they’re selling less every year. That tells you everything you need to know about Google’s failed strategy over the past 3 years.

They also generally thought Google should split the difference between the current 2 lines—take the ‘a’ line, improve the build and sell it in the $500-600 range. I think I agree with this sentiment.

We all want the fastest possible CPU with tons of RAM and insane displays with ridiculous frame rates. We also represent a super tiny portion of phone buying consumers, most of which don’t care about these specs. All they see is a phone that costs as much as an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy (or more) that don’t have the legacy or cache of those brands—and that’s why they’re selling fewer of them every year.

A Snapdragon 700 series CPU without 5G (because nobody needs a 5G chip in their phones for the next couple of years) would save Google a huge cost and would be more than fast enough for regular consumers. General consumers also don’t have a clue or give a **** about 120hz refresh rates, so save money in the display panel as well. Make a Pixel 5a that has a nicer build with wireless charging and some level of water/dust resistance, skip the Soli sensor, use the 700 series CPU, get a really good display panel without ridiculous overkill refresh rates, keep the Face Unlock and fill it with as much battery as will reasonably fit, and charge $599/$699 respectively (regular/XL) to undercut all other ‘flagship’ phones. Market the hell out of it and make sure it gets good display space in carriers and then, maybe then, Google will sell a reasonable amount of phones.

I’d also happily buy that phone. 😁

 

[Awesomesince86]

Agree with all of this.



I just finished listening to this past week’s Android Central podcast. The episode was almost entirely about the Pixel line of phones, past, present and future. TL;DR - Google isn’t building a flagship phone that can compete with its competitors at the prices they’re asking for and the sweet spot is their Pixel ‘a’ line of phones. Jerry Hildenbrand shared the fact that Google sold 10 million of the original Pixel line yet only sold 3 or 4 million of the 3a phones and only 2 million of the Pixel 4 models. The new phones are improvements in many ways, are available on more carriers and have the benefit of consumer familiarity with Pixel phones, yet they’re selling less every year. That tells you everything you need to know about Google’s failed strategy over the past 3 years.

They also generally thought Google should split the difference between the current 2 lines—take the ‘a’ line, improve the build and sell it in the $500-600 range. I think I agree with this sentiment.

We all want the fastest possible CPU with tons of RAM and insane displays with ridiculous frame rates. We also represent a super tiny portion of phone buying consumers, most of which don’t care about these specs. All they see is a phone that costs as much as an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy (or more) that don’t have the legacy or cache of those brands—and that’s why they’re selling fewer of them every year.

A Snapdragon 700 series CPU without 5G (because nobody needs a 5G chip in their phones for the next couple of years) would save Google a huge cost and would be more than fast enough for regular consumers. General consumers also don’t have a clue or give a **** about 120hz refresh rates, so save money in the display panel as well. Make a Pixel 5a that has a nicer build with wireless charging and some level of water/dust resistance, skip the Soli sensor, use the 700 series CPU, get a really good display panel without ridiculous overkill refresh rates, keep the Face Unlock and fill it with as much battery as will reasonably fit, and charge $599/$699 respectively (regular/XL) to undercut all other ‘flagship’ phones. Market the hell out of it and make sure it gets good display space in carriers and then, maybe then, Google will sell a reasonable amount of phones.

I’d also happily buy that phone. ?

I agree with almost all of this. My posts yesterday werent my recommendation if Google is trying to sell the most phones. It was my personal preference of where the Pixel line should go.

I agree that most consumers know nothing about SOCs or high refresh rates. They just want the google phone because they heard the camera is great. I think the last paragraph is a good prediction of the direction they will go and I think it'll be a good product if Google doesnt once again decide to cut too many corners. Ive been beating the drum for a while that they should return to the Nexus mentality of overall experience over specs and make it midrange.

But as someone who prefers performance over metal and glass, I would love a high spec'd Pixel device with the build materials of the 3a and a bigger battery. Not using metal and glass would save enough money to drop the price a couple hundred especially if they ditch soli and wireless charging. But I get thats just me (and tech enthusiasts) that want this and not the general public. It was never my intention to portray that as being what Google should do.

Now moving on from all this....what does everyone think about the rumored specs and pricing? 700 series SOC, still 6GB of ram, no soli, no battery sizing leaks yet, and $100 cheaper than the Pixel 4. I guess a lot depends on the base storage but to me, $100 isnt a very good tradeoff for a lower chip. IMO they really need to get the price down $200 from what the Pixel 4 was unless they plan to use flagship tier specs. Enough of the floating in between.

 

[BMox81]

I think they will go 8GB RAM-it would be on par with then incremental +2 they did with the 3 to 4.

But if they stick with the 6GB I’m sure it’s because they feel they can optimise the software to the point that it will be fine.

I think what most people want is the bigger battery tbh, so if they can do that with the stock experience, again I think it will appease some of the critics.

I’m ok with the price-my days of spending that type of money on a phone is over (especially on a contract). The $700 (or what they price it here in the U.K.) is an acceptable amount (for me) to pay.

But I think the damage is done unfortunately with the Pixel line. At this point it really doesn’t matter what Google do/provide as they will always fail to meet certain expectations or people just want them to fail because it’s Google.

 

[Awesomesince86]

If they did nothing else with the Pixel 5 beside add 2gb of ram, increase battery, make 128gb base, and drop price by $200 it would be an excellent phone even with a less than top tier SOC. But I dont expect them to drop price by anymore than $100 and I dont expect them to increase RAM. I do expect an increase in battery size, addition of another lens, and hopefully an increase in base storage.

 

[Fernandez21]

How does the 765 compare with the 855 in the Pixel 4? Any reason to upgrade if you don't care about battery life or cameras?

 

[Awesomesince86]

How does the 765 compare with the 855 in the Pixel 4? Any reason to upgrade if you don't care about battery life or cameras?

We don't know enough yet but in terms of computing power, the 855 is definitely better than the 765.

 

[michael9891]

How does the 765 compare with the 855 in the Pixel 4? Any reason to upgrade if you don't care about battery life or cameras?

It's not supposed to be an "upgrade", more a different and cheaper variation of the 4. If you're someone who prefers a fps over face unlock and likes the headphone jack, the 4a would make more sense.

 

[Fernandez21]

It's not supposed to be an "upgrade", more a different and cheaper variation of the 4. If you're someone who prefers a fps over face unlock and likes the headphone jack, the 4a would make more sense.

Not talking about the Pixel 4a, talking about the rumored 5.

The Pixel 5 may have to settle for a Snapdragon 765, new evidence suggests - GSMArena.com news

The Pixel 5 may have to settle for a Snapdragon 765, new evidence suggests - GSMArena.com news

www.google.com

 

[michael9891]

Not talking about the Pixel 4a, talking about the rumored 5.

The Pixel 5 may have to settle for a Snapdragon 765, new evidence suggests - GSMArena.com news

The Pixel 5 may have to settle for a Snapdragon 765, new evidence suggests - GSMArena.com news

www.google.com

My bad. Not sure why I thought you meant 4a.

 

[Steven-iphone]

Apple has a dedicated market of loyalists. Google is in more of the general fray of all Android. If they build a solid phone with the 5 then they will have a following. Having the latest greatest chip set is useless if all the bits and pieces are not in synch. That is why there is controversy over the SE2 - a little bit of old, a little bit of new - it's an odd duck. See how the 4a is received, and that may be an indicator of the 5's reception. Google, keep it simple, yet tightly integrated.

 

[Tig Bitties]

Tech rumors today, the Pixel 5 line will not be released in the annual October month this year. It will be delayed, no word as to when.

Pixel 4a also delayed two months, mid July release now.

 

[Awesomesince86]

This will make the Pixel 5 a tough buy as predicting when the discounts start will be difficult. Before we always knew it would be on Black Friday.