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Google Pixel 5 and Pixel 5 XL
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When did you know Google to do things that made sense? lol
Well yes that’s true, still my head is spinning wondering why they didn’t add an ultra wide last year. Hopefully they add it this year.
Pixel really could be the go to android device if they just cared more but i guess they don’t. Their cameras are still at the top of the mountain and maybe that’s why they don’t care as much on other areas as it ticks the box which people would point to.
Guess phones are just an added bonus to them and not the most important side of their business
The reason for the 4a delay is supposedly 'market conditions'. I can only assume they don't think it will sell because of less people buying because of the virus.
If they also delay the 5, can only think it's so it doesn't clash with being so close to the 4a. But then risk people buying other Android devices instead.
Google isn't very good at listening to their customers when it comes to their phone. They remind me of Steve Jobs era iPhones where they basically tell the consumer what's best rather than listening to the consumer demands.
I predict the 5 is the last pixel device before they rebrand again. They went up to the 5x/6p with nexus and they are about there now if you count them all and add in the 3a/4a.
I don't have time to write my true thoughts on Google and the Nexus line and then the Pixel line, but quickly will say, Google WTF guys?
I am a big Nexus / Pixel guy, having started with the Nexus-One, and now have the Pixel 4 XL, I have owned 8 Google phones over the years, and many other phones, but stock vanilla Android is just a very comfortable nice OS to me, easily my fav smartphone OS, but, Google has made many mistakes with them over the years.
I really like my Pixel 4 XL, could it be better? YES. To me for the launch price this phone should have had a 4,500mAh battery, 8GB RAM, the faster UFS 3.1 storage, and a brighter higher quality display. Those are the main things this phone should have had from day one, no question. How Google released this phone with such a small battery, given it's power consumption, and a lower end dim display is unreal.
Now, moving forward, do they create a Nexus / Pixel hybrid in 2021? A OnePlus competitor? Create a flagship at a $799 price point? All I want is a very smooth buttery OS. Power and battery equal to the iPhone 11 Pro Max. A bright display on par with the latest Galaxy phones. Those are my three wants in a smartphone. Everything else is whatever to me. Can this be done from Google?
I am a big Nexus / Pixel guy, having started with the Nexus-One, and now have the Pixel 4 XL, I have owned 8 Google phones over the years, and many other phones, but stock vanilla Android is just a very comfortable nice OS to me, easily my fav smartphone OS, but, Google has made many mistakes with them over the years.
I really like my Pixel 4 XL, could it be better? YES. To me for the launch price this phone should have had a 4,500mAh battery, 8GB RAM, the faster UFS 3.1 storage, and a brighter higher quality display. Those are the main things this phone should have had from day one, no question. How Google released this phone with such a small battery, given it's power consumption, and a lower end dim display is unreal.
Now, moving forward, do they create a Nexus / Pixel hybrid in 2021? A OnePlus competitor? Create a flagship at a $799 price point? All I want is a very smooth buttery OS. Power and battery equal to the iPhone 11 Pro Max. A bright display on par with the latest Galaxy phones. Those are my three wants in a smartphone. Everything else is whatever to me. Can this be done from Google?
I dont have a lot of faith with the Pixel 5 tbh, but if they dont cancel the Pixel line I expect the Pixel 6 to be a lot different. New team management will have their input on the Pixel 6, its a little too late for the PIxel 5.
To be clear, Im not saying the 5 will be bad, but I still think they're feeling out the waters on what direction they want to go in. Hopefully by the 6 they fully commit to either Nexus gameplan or flagship gameplan. Currently they're floating in the middle a little too much. They need to adjust pricing or adjust hardware. From the leaks it sounds like they are heading in the Nexu direction, which is fine, but if they only cut price by $100 like is rumored, then theyre still hanging in the middle too much. Unless its a $100 cut with an increase in base storage to 128GB, which would put them in a better place. But if the cost for an XL with 128GB of storage is $900 while using a midrange chip, then thats just dumb.
The problem isn't the cost, it's the value. Look at what Samsung and Apple include in their $999 phone, if the Pixel is going to warrant that price, then they need to match what Samsung and Apple give you at that price. And unfortunately, Google hasn't (hardware wise)
Unfortunately, it looks like Google is giving up competing on the high end, rumors of the Pixel 5 seem like it won't be an upgrade over my Pixel 4, and with the delay it seems like they are worried about it undercutting their Pixel 4a, which they shouldn't be if the 5 was a true flagship, but it looks like they are positioning the 5 as a premium "a" series phone instead.
Unfortunately, it looks like Google is giving up competing on the high end, rumors of the Pixel 5 seem like it won't be an upgrade over my Pixel 4, and with the delay it seems like they are worried about it undercutting their Pixel 4a, which they shouldn't be if the 5 was a true flagship, but it looks like they are positioning the 5 as a premium "a" series phone instead.
Thats what Im saying. Im not talking bad about the price in a vacuum. Im criticizing the price compared to what similarly priced phones offer. If Google goes with a midrange chip and low base storage, fine, but drop the price by $200-300. Dropping it by only $100 isnt a good enough tradeoff.
Yup, especially when the $399 iPhone has the latest flagship chipset and will get software support for years, and for $449 you can get a 128gb model.
Depends on a lot of factors. screen size, 5G, resolution, refresh rate, etc.
If you're talking about the Pixel 4 XL specifically? Then thats too small of a battery for a QHD display that has 90Hz and a motion sensor thats always active.
This exactly. Android OEMs often struggled for years to achieve good battery performance. Over the past few years, there have been noticeable improvements as manufacturers are putting much larger batteries in the phones. Hell, even Apple added thickness.
Unfortunately, the recent trend to add high refresh rate displays seems to have pushed performance back a bit. Google already was on the smaller side for their batteries--adding a higher refresh rate in the 4 models just wrecked performance even more.Samsung, OnePlus, Huawei and others haven't been shy about cramming more battery into their new phones. Google had better make a significant changes with their new models or they will effectively be DOA.
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This exactly. Android OEMs often struggled for years to achieve good battery performance. Over the past few years, there have been noticeable improvements as manufacturers are putting much larger batteries in the phones. Hell, even Apple added thickness
Samsung, OnePlus, Huawei and others haven't been shy about cramming more battery into their new phones. Google had better make a significant changes with their new models or they will effectively be DOA.
I think for a long time manufacturers were so interested in making the thinnest and lightest device. They lose sight of what the consumer wanted. They finally realized that customers were fine dealing with more thickness and weight if it meant no battery concerns.
To me it seems like such a no-brainer for Google to make an excellent phone here, doesn't seem to be rocket science in what we want in the Pixel 5 XL;
-Bigger battery for sure, 4,500mAh minimum.
-8GB RAM
-UFS 3.1 or whatever is the fastest storage
-Higher quality display, that gets much brighter, like the 11 Pro, or Galaxy phones
-Processor I don't care if it has the newest SD865, just something that makes the OS smooth and fluid with no lag.
-They can drop Motion Sense if that saves money, and allows for larger battery and thinner top bezel
-Flat screen, no curved edge display like OnePlus has been doing recently. I'd like the screen to be like the rumored iPhone 12 Pro's, meaning truly squared edge, zero curve, totally flat screen.
-Bigger battery for sure, 4,500mAh minimum.
-8GB RAM
-UFS 3.1 or whatever is the fastest storage
-Higher quality display, that gets much brighter, like the 11 Pro, or Galaxy phones
-Processor I don't care if it has the newest SD865, just something that makes the OS smooth and fluid with no lag.
-They can drop Motion Sense if that saves money, and allows for larger battery and thinner top bezel
-Flat screen, no curved edge display like OnePlus has been doing recently. I'd like the screen to be like the rumored iPhone 12 Pro's, meaning truly squared edge, zero curve, totally flat screen.
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If that's true, that's dreadful releasing by Google. Releasing a phone (4a) based on year old tech and if they delay the 5 by a few months, they're literally showing customers the way to other devices.
All seems a bit strange, considering the 4a is supposedly ready to go.
All seems a bit strange, considering the 4a is supposedly ready to go.
Google will need to update the SoC in the 5 if it's going to be delayed much. While I won't argue that the 765 is a questionable choice to some, many are saying the 865 is just way more than needed for a phone for every day use for most people and the 765 will perform admirably. However, releasing the top-level device in the line using a year-old SoC leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If they're going to delay it, delay until the 775 (or whatever the successor to the 765 is) is ready to roll out and use that.
But in Google's defense Apple is delaying their top smartphone by a couple months. All rumors indicate the iPhone 12 pro Max will not be out in September with the rest of the new iPhone 12 lineup, The Pro Max will be delayed until November due to manufacturing delays and the screen tech or something.
Yeah if the Pixel 5 has a mid range chipset that's also a year behind, that would be a bad look. Especially if Google still plan on charging only $100-200 less than the Pixel 4.
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I don't think that's confirmed by anyone major yet. I think it was just rumored because Apple outsourced screens to another manufacturer along with Samsung this year and the new manufacturer isn't meeting their quality standards.
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I don't think that's confirmed by anyone major yet. I think it was just rumored because Apple outsourced screens to another manufacturer along with Samsung this year and the new manufacturer isn't meeting their quality standards.
A November release for the 5 wouldn't be bad, but if it's delayed as much as the 4a now looks, that's too much. They'll miss all the holiday sales and potential buyers will be looking to the next Samsung beyond that
Google would really have to knock one out of the park if they're intent on major delays.
Google would really have to knock one out of the park if they're intent on major delays.
Seems like a no brainier for Google to release the 4a and the 5 at the same time. Especially since once is clearly a budget version.