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suwandy

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By the way,

if people haven't posted or noticed. I was ordering through the phone the other day with one of the Apple store girl. She told me that the new glossy screen now has an anti-glare installed (similar to one installed on the matte, if my ear isn't failing me) so if anyone still ponders about buying whichever, u know u can go for glossy. I think most people here goes for matte. Once I got my glossy I'll try post some pictures. =)
 

Zadillo

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Jan 29, 2005
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By the way,

if people haven't posted or noticed. I was ordering through the phone the other day with one of the Apple store girl. She told me that the new glossy screen now has an anti-glare installed (similar to one installed on the matte, if my ear isn't failing me) so if anyone still ponders about buying whichever, u know u can go for glossy. I think most people here goes for matte. Once I got my glossy I'll try post some pictures. =)

I wonder if that's some confusion or something. When I went to the Apple Store yesterday, they had something set up on the computers I hadn't seen before where you could ask to be notified when a product came in stock at the local store.

So, for example, you could say you were interested in MacBooks and it would give you a list to choose from. For the MBP's it described the models as either glossy or anti-glare (instead of saying matte I guess).

I don't see how you could add anti-glare to a glossy screen though.

The matte doesn't have anys ort of anti-glare 'installed'; it is just anti-glare by its nature. By the same token, installing an anti-glare screen on top of the glossy screen would presumably dull it and take away the shininess and vibrance which would be the whole point of the glossy screen.

Maybe this is something new, but I'd take it with a grain of salt until I could see it in person.
 

katorga

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Oct 28, 2006
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I agree with that, it's not a game-oriented machine.


I dunno about that. The x1600 or go7700 is about as good a GPU as you can get in a 15" formfactor these days. It is acceptable for WoW and will play it around 15-50fps min/max at the MBP's native LCD resolution. It is well below par for more demanding games like Oblivion or EQ2.

It all puts me in a bind because I'd love to have the gaming performance of a Dell XPS 1710, but I also want the formfactor of the MBP. It's is going to be a tough call for me (I've been waiting, trying to decide since the original MBP came out!). WoW at 40-60fps 1920x1200 max settings is mightly tempting.
 

50548

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Apr 17, 2005
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So my first MBP died, and my new one came yesterday so I am comparing a week 30something to this C2D.




Hadn't noticed that, but yeah much wider. This thing is unbelievably cool. My previous MBP was warm, wouldn't burn me, could keep on lap on a cold night and be happy.

The C2D MBP is barely warm!! I haven't really pushed it, but with web, e-mail, itunes, word open it is no warmer than a 15 minute old cup of coffee (which is getting cold, I should drink up).

C2D MBP is a laptop again.

And now on a cold evening I am going to have to turn on the heat instead of working with my computer in my lap...oh well.

It's great to hear that...one more reason to push that "buy now" button and burn my bank account... ;)
 

tarjan

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Aug 11, 2006
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They probably added the crizal anti-glare coating that is also used on prescription glasses. Makes a huge difference.

They are expecting a shipment any time now at one of the stores in MD. My fingers are crossed that a glossy 2.33 will be in there...
 

Zadillo

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I dunno about that. The x1600 or go7700 is about as good a GPU as you can get in a 15" formfactor these days. It is acceptable for WoW and will play it around 15-50fps min/max at the MBP's native LCD resolution. It is well below par for more demanding games like Oblivion or EQ2.

It all puts me in a bind because I'd love to have the gaming performance of a Dell XPS 1710, but I also want the formfactor of the MBP. It's is going to be a tough call for me (I've been waiting, trying to decide since the original MBP came out!). WoW at 40-60fps 1920x1200 max settings is mightly tempting.

If you do read my post from before, you'll see that I generally agree with you. I only agreed with New to the point that I would agree it isn't "gaming-oriented" (i.e. first and foremost, it is not designed to meet the needs of a gamer).

I have seen plenty of people playing Oblivion with fully clocked X1600's, and a 3DMark05 score of 4000 or so definitely would translate to pretty acceptable Oblivion performance in my book. Heck, even the older very underclocked MBP could handle Oblivion with some detail settings turned off.

I think you ultimately do have to decide what is more important. If the weight and size of the XPSM1710 is an acceptable tradeoff for very good gaming performance at high resolutions (although fromw hat I've heard, even with the latest 7950gtx go in it, gaming at native resolutions of 1920x1200 will still tax it.... although probably not WoW).

For me, I've already tried one gaming laptop (the Toshiba P105-S9712, with a 7900gs in it). That one actually was light by gaming laptop standards (7.8 pounds or so), but I still found it to be too bulky to be enjoyable from a portability standpoint.

I will take the 1" thick 5.6 pound MBP and lesser gaming performance any day, I think. I think these big giant gaming laptops are really only good if you do need them as a desktop, but also need to be able to take them around a lot (to LANparties, etc.). Given the price, I would just as soon buy an MBP and then get a gaming desktop, since I personally don't do a lot of LAN parties and the like.
 

Zadillo

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They probably added the crizal anti-glare coating that is also used on prescription glasses. Makes a huge difference.

They are expecting a shipment any time now at one of the stores in MD. My fingers are crossed that a glossy 2.33 will be in there...

Any word from the VA area stores?
 

Multimedia

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Jul 27, 2001
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CD's 73 Tiny Holes Vs. 6 Huge Vent Ports Make The C2D A Radical Redesign For Cooling

Here is the old vent taken from a review from notebookreview.com but is Image only. Notice it is more like 6 large gaps rather than alot of small little vents. http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/11373.jpg
Thank you for that. So here are the two showing a radically different venting system. Formerly 73 tiny holes. Now 6 Huge Vents. Wonder why they didn't figure that out in the first place?

Yes I counted them just for you guys and gals. :)

I wonder how many vents are on the 17" model? 6 wider or 7? Please report whoever gets or sees a 17" first. My guess is 6 each a little bit wider than on the 15".

Left CD 73 Itty Bitty Teeny Tiny Holes _ Right C2D 6 Huge Vents
 

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Soundburst

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I can't wait to open mine!! :D I'm excited, however if my screen eventually suffers from that issue where when closed...both sides are not flush with the base, and the left side actually has a gap from the base, i will be enormously dissapointed. (i'm going to open mine from the centre just to prevent it.):D
 

mds

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Oct 6, 2006
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Glossy screens?

Anyone seen a glossy screen in a store anywhere? I found some C2Ds in local stores, but so far none that are glossy...
 

Multimedia

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I Need Glossy Fanboys-girls To Sell Me On Glossy Please

Anyone seen a glossy screen in a store anywhere? I found some C2Ds in local stores, but so far none that are glossy...
Any of you Glossy fans want to sell me on it? I still don't see why you would want the screen to reflect every light above and behind you.

I need another pitch. Oh and the matte folks please counter-point. Thanks.
I think Multi's new notebook has finally arrived...
Ok, I will ruin it for him...

Multi, you really should wait for Santa Rosa.
That's my thinking as well. Would love a 4GB capable 17" next Spring with Leopard on board. But I might fold for a 2GB 17" in January. My birthday always comes during MacWorld Expo San Francisco.
 

netdog

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Feb 6, 2006
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I think Multi's new notebook has finally arrived...
Ok, I will ruin it for him...

Multi, you really should wait for Santa Rosa.
 

tarjan

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Aug 11, 2006
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zadillo, not that I have heard. I am on the list at tysons and clarendon. PC didnt get any. Shipments come in at 1pm or so for most of the stores, so if you want to call around at 1:30 or so, that might work. Just PM me if you find a glossy 2.33!

Montgomery mall doesnt know, BR said they would be getting another shipment or was that annapolis? I cant remember but I will be calling everyone at 2 again. Towson has none, AS in columbia has one 2.33 matte. I am REALLY tempted...

I just reinstalled xp on my thinkpad, from scratch. Bluescreen. Its not the cd, its the stupid laptop. Works for a few minutes at a time. I really need that macbookpro!
 

Zadillo

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I can't wait to open mine!! :D I'm excited, however if my screen eventually suffers from that issue where when closed...both sides are not flush with the base, and the left side actually has a gap from the base, i will be enormously dissapointed. (i'm going to open mine from the centre just to prevent it.):D

You know, I understand that it's kind of annoying from a cosmetic standpoint, but is it really that big a deal? It's one of those things that I've noticed that you really only notice when you do look at it closed "head on", which I can't think of when I would do that under normal operations.
 

Blublub

macrumors newbie
Oct 28, 2006
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Hey folks,

Ordered a 15" 2.33 / 2GB / 160GB / glossy on Tuesday @10pm EST.

Original ship date was 02/11 with delivery on or before 09/11. Just got an email say it's shipped already and it's now saying delivery on or before 03/11!

Way to set and then exceed expectations Apple!

Hope everyone else is getting earlier ship dates :D Seems like Apple are really conservative on promising devliery, i guess to avoid disappointment...

Hmmm, I'm beginning to think that Apple just hates me. I was watching like a hawk for the store to come back online and placed an order for the 15" 2.33 glossy w/160 HD with expedited shipping the minute it did. It hasn't budged from a shipping estimate of 10/31. Now I'm wondering if it will actually slip past the orignal estimate.
 

dotcat

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tarjan

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IBM definitely wins the design award there. The top edge of the thinkpads have a lip that covers any potential gaps over the years, and also gives you a convenient place to grab the laptop without touching the screen, making it less likely you will drop it. It isn't quite as pretty as apple's design, but it works.

Yes, I said IBM as lenovo didn't design it, they are only good at messing up drivers.

I say this after another bluescreen. So don't get me wrong, I need my apple in a bad way :D

(girlfriend just came in with some pink lady apples. Not quite the same as my 2.33 glossy, but they are good!)
 

mds

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Oct 6, 2006
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Any of you Glossy fans want to sell me on it? I still don't see why you would want the screen to reflect every light above and behind you.

I need another pitch. Oh and the matte folks please counter-point.

I wasn't sure about my glossy Dell before I bought it and went to stores around town looking at them and finally decided to give it a shot. I've had it for a year now, and I really like it. They're very bright. Whites and blacks look great, colors are better, and I just find it an all around better experience. I only have glare issues when sitting right in front of a light, or some times outside, but it almost never bothers me.

I guess I must like it a lot, because I could have picked up a C2D yesterday, but decided to wait to see when glossies hit the stores...
 

shecky

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May 24, 2003
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Obviously you're not a golfer.
Any of you Glossy fans want to sell me on it? I still don't see why you would want the screen to reflect every light above and behind you.

I need another pitch. Oh and the matte folks please counter-point.


matte screen is like a naturally beautiful girl.

glossy screen is like a naturally beautiful girl with a ton of makeup pancaked on in an effort to look more glitzy, but instead it actually detracts from her real beauty.
 

Zadillo

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Jan 29, 2005
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matte screen is like a naturally beautiful girl.

glossy screen is like a naturally beautiful girl with a ton of makeup pancaked on in an effort to look more glitzy, but instead it actually detracts from her real beauty.

And of course, people who have actually been USING glossy screened MB's and MBP's know that this isn't really an accurate comparison at all.

Going by your comparison I'd say it's more like a naturally beautiful girl with makeup applied that simply accentuates her beauty, but doesn't detract from it.

-Zadillo
 

bryanc

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Hello all! I've never posted here before, but I just thought I'd jump in the boat and say, today I ordered a 17" matte MBP stock with Applecare and a wireless mighty mouse. [...] I can show my wife the tricks when we get hers early next year. She'll be getting the 15" version with Leopard and Santa Rosa. I wonder if I can install her Leopard disk on mine... Anyway, my new 'puter is suppose to ship on the 15th and I'll have it a week later. Maybe sooner. :)

Welcome to computer Nirvana, Watermonkey. I just ordered the same system (without the mighty mouse... I already have a perfectly good wireless mouse).

It would be breaking your licence agreement to install Leopard on your computer by using the install disk that comes with another computer, so I can't recommend it. That being said, unless Apple makes some changes in how the install disks detect what hardware they're being installed on, there's no reason this won't work, and Apple hasn't been checking on people to insure that they don't do this sort of thing. So it's up to you.

Cheers
 

shecky

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Obviously you're not a golfer.
And of course, people who have actually been USING glossy screened MB's and MBP's know that this isn't really an accurate comparison at all.

Going by your comparison I'd say it's more like a naturally beautiful girl with makeup applied that simply accentuates her beauty, but doesn't detract from it.

-Zadillo

and if you prefer women with a lot of makeup on, then your opinion makes sense. i think glossy looks like shiny excrement.
 

Zadillo

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Welcome to computer Nirvana, Watermonkey. I just ordered the same system (without the mighty mouse... I already have a perfectly good wireless mouse).

It would be breaking your licence agreement to install Leopard on your computer by using the install disk that comes with another computer, so I can't recommend it. That being said, unless Apple makes some changes in how the install disks detect what hardware they're being installed on, there's no reason this won't work, and Apple hasn't been checking on people to insure that they don't do this sort of thing. So it's up to you.

Cheers

I wonder if that would even work anyway. Generally speaking, the install disks that come with Apple computers are specifically for a specific model, right? I mean, if I buy a MacBook, I'm not going to be able to use its install disc to install OS X on a Mac mini, right?

I would think the same issue would happen here. A MBP bought next year would seemingly come with an install disc made for that particular MBP.

If you want Leopard, I would think you'd need to buy the retail copy of it (both legally and just technically).

This might be wrong though, I haven't tried it.

-Zadillo
 
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