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Have you even used Parallels? There is very LITTLE overhead from OS X unless your running many other programs inside of it. When running both operating systems at once your VM sees a 30% performance hit. (I've heard of 20% running using a Linux host.) I run XP just fine with 128-512 MB of RAM.

Yes I have, and whether it performs well or not doesn't change the fact that Windows must be booted, and thus you are running both Windows and its programs, AND Mac OS X and its programs. This is obviously more overhead than a situation where 1. You aren't running OS X or 2. Don't have to run Windows itself in addition to its programs.
 
Yes I have, and whether it performs well or not doesn't change the fact that Windows must be booted, and thus you are running both Windows and its programs, AND Mac OS X and its programs. This is obviously more overhead than a situation where 1. You aren't running OS X or 2. Don't have to run Windows itself in addition to its programs.
If you need Windows at 100% then go with Boot Camp otherwise a VM is fine for most situations. It's just annoying when you're blowing the overhead out of proportion.
 
If you need Windows at 100% then go with Boot Camp otherwise a VM is fine for most situations. It's just annoying when you're blowing the overhead out of proportion.

Blowing it out of proportion? I think we're just stating the facts. Parallels has more overhead, period. It's a great program, but it uses more resources than some other solutions.
 
Blowing it out of proportion? I think we're just stating the facts. Parallels has more overhead, period. It's a great program, but it uses more resources than some other solutions.
The overhead is still fine for casual use. I only reboot for gaming. Otherwise Parallels suits me just fine. I find the RAM usage to be odd though. You get a lot of unused inactive RAM when compared to VMWare on Windows. I can easily allocate 640 MB on a 1 GB system in VMWare. On Parallels I can hit 256 MB before it eats all of my free RAM at 1.5 GB on OS X.

Seriously, Windows running at 60-70% of its full potential on Parallels? I guess it's USELESS then!
 
The overhead is still fine for casual use. I only reboot for gaming. Otherwise Parallels suits me just fine. I find the RAM usage to be odd though. You get a lot of unused inactive RAM when compared to VMWare on Windows. I can easily allocate 640 MB on a 1 GB system in VMWare. On Parallels I can hit 256 MB before it eats all of my free RAM at 1.5 GB on OS X.

Seriously, Windows running at 60-70% of its full potential on Parallels? I guess it's USELESS then!

Look, that's fine. I've said before Parallels is a fine and capable program. I'm making one, sole point: it has more overhead than other solutions.

Does it work for you? Apparently yes. Does it use more resources than other ways of running Windows on your Intel Mac? Yes. You admit that yourself. There's really no argument here with the only thing I (and previously, countach) am trying to say.

-Matt
 
Look, that's fine. I've said before Parallels is a fine and capable program. I'm making one, sole point: it has more overhead than other solutions.

Does it work for you? Apparently yes. Does it use more resources than other ways of running Windows on your Intel Mac? Yes. You admit that yourself. There's really no argument here with the only thing I (and previously, countach) am trying to say.

-Matt
I still find Parallels much more useful then cutting up my drive and rebooting. I use it as a test bed for different operating systems as well. The workflow in VMWare Workstation is much better though. If they added 3D acceleration support I'd use it over rebooting for 90% of my Windows tasks. (Most of my games are from 1999-2002.)

I just don't want people to be scared away from it through by exaggeration of the overhead by running OS X and XP in Parallels simultaneously.
 
I just don't want people to be scared away from it through by exaggeration of the overhead by running OS X and XP in Parallels simultaneously.

You say it's an exaggeration, but it's a fact. You previously said there could be as much as a 30-40% performance hit:

Windows running at 60-70% of its full potential on Parallels?

That's a HUGE amount for some tasks. It's all in what the person is doing. As I said, Parallels is great for some (for instance, you), but may not be for others because it definitely uses more overhead and resources than other Windows on Intel Mac solutions. For you to say 30-40% hit, and then for me to say Parallels has overhead I don't think is out of line.
 
Great way to steal a thread, get a room guys... Geez..

I want to hear more about the 17"'er! (A MBP, read the threadtitle if you lost track of what the thread is about) Pictures, minireview, som details, whatever you can throw at me! I'm waiting for one, and it's no fun. :)
 
Has anyone done a Handbrake test on their C2D MacBook Pros yet? This is a monster of a thread to sift through.
 
Bugger...

Well, my order for a 17" MacBook Pro with a full UK specification to be delivered in Belgium took another slide yesterday. For some reason Apple seems to be having enormous difficulties in getting this order right (last seen I was getting one with a Belgian AZERTY keyboard with Finnish manuals/plugs) so yesterday my original order (with delivery for the 14th November) was cancelled and a new one placed since I'd also decided to upgrade the hard drive to the 200GB one based on reports that it's actually quite fast. This sounded like a good idea since the current order was still screwed up and it was also turned that the 2nd MagSafe that I'd requested was one for a 60W MacBook rather than 85W MacBook Pro. The new order was placed and this morning I'm seeing my order pushed back to the 20th November and the keyboard/country kit is still screwed up (yes, Belgian keyboard and Finnish country kit again). At this rate it is looking like I should have simply got my sister in London to buy it for me from the Regent Street Apple Store and mailed it to me with my FedEx 75% discount.

Guess I'll be calling Apple again on Monday when the store telephone lines open again and I can try my luck for the 4th time...
 
online order status for my 17" macbook pro is down. maybe that means it will be shipping? seems weird though for a sunday...
 
online order status for my 17" macbook pro is down. maybe that means it will be shipping? seems weird though for a sunday...

Don't worry - mine shipped yesterday and the order status area is down for me also.

/me starts getting nervous that they actually haven't shipped it yet and are busy fixing the bug that caused it to say shipped! :D
 
Disgusting...

One thing I must say, after going through thousands pages in this thread...it's scary to see so many people actually talking about installing Windows and drivers on their MBPs...worse, seeing screenshots of the new MBPs with WINDOWS utilities, instead of OS X ones...

You guys should be playing with the BEST OS out there, not fiddling with ATi XP utilities, DLLs, drivers or whatever...if the goal is to run Windows, why not buy a Sony with XP? How disgusting.
 
Jesus, kids...some many replies since the above quote and no one has noticed it. Are you all blind or dumb? Look at the pic again.

...Notice the FW800 port?

17" MBP has always had a FW800 port. The original Core Duo 15.4" MacBook Pro didn't have one.
 
One thing I must say, after going through thousands pages in this thread...it's scary to see so many people actually talking about installing Windows and drivers on their MBPs...worse, seeing screenshots of the new MBPs with WINDOWS utilities, instead of OS X ones...

You guys should be playing with the BEST OS out there, not fiddling with ATi XP utilities, DLLs, drivers or whatever...if the goal is to run Windows, why not buy a Sony with XP? How disgusting.

..and I'd be right with you on this one if there was a Mac version of Dawn of War. As it is there isn't one so Windows it is. I'm not exactly looking forwards to installing Windows on the laptop (when it eventually arrives...) but it's the most practical solution to the problem and the 200GB hard drive gives me the space for it.
 
well it seems that I'm in need of glasses. I could've sworn those pics were of a 15."

looked again...yup, I'm blind :(
 
I still find Parallels much more useful then cutting up my drive and rebooting.

As I understand it, you in a sense still have to cut up your drive. You have to create a blob which represents the windows drive. It is a separate world for backing up, for accessing etc etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't own Parallels.

But with crossover, it is in the same file system. It's own area of the file system sure, but still the same file system. Accessable to Mac programs, and backed up the same under OSX.
 
One thing I must say, after going through thousands pages in this thread...it's scary to see so many people actually talking about installing Windows and drivers on their MBPs...worse, seeing screenshots of the new MBPs with WINDOWS utilities, instead of OS X ones...

You guys should be playing with the BEST OS out there, not fiddling with ATi XP utilities, DLLs, drivers or whatever...if the goal is to run Windows, why not buy a Sony with XP? How disgusting.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say that we wouldn't be buying Macs if we didn't want to run OSX.

However, some things are not as easy (or impossible to do) under OSX. Prime example: Figure out the clock speed of the graphics hardware - hence the ATI utility for windows. Also, 3dMark05/06 is the de-facto benchmark for 3D hardware and consistent across all types of hardware. It's just unfortunate there is no OSX version.

So don't sweat it man. OSX is fantastic - don't get me wrong - but its not everything to everyone and it certainly doesn't run everything...

Perhaps you forgot to take your fanboi meds this morning? ;)
 
Resuming news about C2D?

It´s posible for someone, resume all pro`s and non pro`s about for the new
MBP...?

Benchmarks?
Best HD on 15" or 17" mbp
Graphic card caped or not, benchs?
Ram?
Superdrive?
Temp?
Airport?
Battery?
general quality?

Thanks, we have a lot pages and its dificult take a conclution.:confused:

cheers.
 
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