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Many things are "portable"; but for a lot of situations, a 17" laptop is not as pleasant to use, and it does take up more space, requires a larger case, etc.

thinking that a 17" is less pleasant to use than a 15" because of its size is asinine, with the possible exception of a coach-class airline seat. anyone who has seen them next to each other and used them knows that the difference in overall size footprint is marginal.

is it going to be "harder" to hike a 17 across the tundra than a 15? maybe by about 1lb. is it going to be less pleasant to hike it across town to the starbucks? nope.

one thing i will agree with is that its tougher to find a bag, but ironically all the bags ALMOST fit it, but not quite. i just ordered the Timbuk2 Blogger as i think it will fit, but i won't know for sure until i get the bag and the machine.
 
a similarly spec'd 17 and 15 are only $200 apart in price.

i think the 17 is perfect and anyone who says that its not portable is kidding themselves.


Where are you getting this (missing the image from the original post)? When I check apple's site the lowest end MBP is $1999, not $1799. Is this a site edu or other discount?
 
$139 For XP Pro SP2b + Business Vista Sounds Like A Bargain

I'll use Windows, OSX, or whatever I damn well please. FWIW/Newegg is offering XP Pro with a Vista Business upgrade for $139 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116175

Cheerio from your newly converted MBP OS floozy.
Curious if that wouldn't be a cheaper way to get Vista than waiting to buy Vista when it ships? What does everyone think? Is Business Vista the top version like XP Pro? Can I get an opinion from the Windows folks please? Won't the top Vista sell for more than $199? Is Business Vista the 64-bit version? Or is all of Vista 64-bit anyway?
 
thinking that a 17" is less pleasant to use than a 15" because of its size is asinine, with the possible exception of a coach-class airline seat. anyone who has seen them next to each other and used them knows that the difference in overall size footprint is marginal.

is it going to be "harder" to hike a 17 across the tundra than a 15? maybe by about 1lb. is it going to be less pleasant to hike it across town the starbuks? nope.

one thing i will agree with is that its tougher to find a bag, but ironically all the bags ALMOST fit it, but not quite.

It's asinine for me to think that? Give me a break.

As it is there's a lot of people who don't even like the 15" MBP and want something as small as the 12" PowerBook G4.

The 17" MBP is an inherently large laptop; it's certainly more manageable than 17" PC DTR's like the Dell Insprison E1705, but it's still pretty big.

I'm talking more about general use, having it in front of you on a desk, carrying it around, etc. There is a noticeable difference, and it isn't the best option for everyone. Especially for people who do use it in other scenarios, such as on their lap while sitting in a chair or on a couch or in bed or whatever.

You're acting like anyone who wants something smaller than the 17" MBP is asinine for that, and that's ridiculous.

Seriously, just because something doesn't make a difference to you doesn't mean it doesn't make a difference to others.

Small differences in footprint CAN make a difference. The actual footprint of the 15" MBP compared to a 13.3" MacBook isn't that big either, but there are plenty of people who have chosen MacBooks just for the smaller size alone.

It all depends on how someone uses it.

-Zadillo
 
Where are you getting this (missing the image from the original post)? When I check apple's site the lowest end MBP is $1999, not $1799. Is this a site edu or other discount?
I'm getting it off of Apple Education US.

Curious if that wouldn't be a cheaper way to get Vista than waiting to buy Vista when it ships? What does everyone think? Is Business Vista the top version like XP Pro? Can I get an opinion from the Windows folks please? Won't the top Vista sell for more than $199? Is Business Vista the 64-bit version? Or is all of Vista 64-bit anyway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Editions
 
Where are you getting this (missing the image from the original post)? When I check apple's site the lowest end MBP is $1999, not $1799. Is this a site edu or other discount?

the 15" with the 2.33 C2D processor, 2GB RAM, and the 160GB HD, thereby matching the specs of the 17" is $2599

the 17" with the 2.33 C2D processor, 2GB RAM, and the 160GB HD, is $2799.
 
the 15" with the 2.33 C2D processor, 2GB RAM, and the 160GB HD, thereby matching the specs of the 17" is $2599

the 17" with the 2.33 C2D processor, 2GB RAM, and the 160GB HD, is $2799.
Yes, and? It's still more money and is larger than some users, myself included, want to deal with.
 
one thing i will agree with is that its tougher to find a bag, but ironically all the bags ALMOST fit it, but not quite. i just ordered the Timbuk2 Blogger as i think it will fit, but i won't know for sure until i get the bag and the machine.


Speaking of bag. I have the 15 inch brent haven bag from my old power book..

The bag is 4 years old. I treated it like ****.. and it still looks brand new. Great bag.. great zipper, protected my computer!!!

BUT ow I am going 17 inch... cause I am smart and strong.... and I am hoping for a bag that I can put a small 3 chip video camera into. The blogger looks like it may have the space?

Do you have any recomendations?
 
thinking that a 17" is less pleasant to use than a 15" because of its size is asinine, with the possible exception of a coach-class airline seat. anyone who has seen them next to each other and used them knows that the difference in overall size footprint is marginal.

is it going to be "harder" to hike a 17 across the tundra than a 15? maybe by about 1lb. is it going to be less pleasant to hike it across town to the starbucks? nope.

The 17's half a kilo heavier, 4 cm wider and 2 cm deeper.

In English this means it's more weight on the sholder and much harder to used on the lap in trains/planes/automobiles.

Having said that, it'll be much better to use in hotels (both work and watching DVDs), at clients sites, and for presentations. And the battery has a little more umph.

Hmm, choices choices...
 
My point is that the attitude displayed in your posts exemplifies the fact that you view the 15" 2.33GHz MBP as waste. What I'm saying is that it has its advantages.

i do not see it as a waste at all. i just think the benefit of the 17 outweighs the negatives. and the problem i have is NOT with people saying that the 17 is heavier (it is) or larger (it is) or more expensive (it is). if you want something a little smaller, a little lighter, and a little cheaper than by all means, go for it. its an incredible machine.

the problem i have is people saying its "not portable" or that its "unusable outside of your own office" or that its "gigantic" because all of these opinions are untrue, and anyone who has seen the 15 and the 17 side by side (as i have) and used both a 15 and a 17 in day to day (as i have) and is not habitually hiking across the tundra (i am not) will know that the differences are marginal.
 
so don't buy it. what is your point?

BUT ow I am going 17 inch... cause I am smart and strong....


Inflamatory comments like these are why there is a sudden "arguement" causing questions like yours, shecky.

Not everyone uses laptops for the same reason. To be called asinine and stupid for personal preferences is well....asinine.

Why pay $200 for 2 more inches and otherwise nearly identical specs? Who would ever do that?:rolleyes:

(The above question is meant to be sarcastic in the context of this "discussion") Tone of voice is sorely missed on forums.
 
You Have Ants Walking Around Your MacBook Pro Regularly? Too Small For Hamsters.

Id like to see some real world photos of the new vents. FOR ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE A NEW CORE 2 DUO MACBOOK PRO, CAN YOU PLEASE POST SOME PICTURES OF THE NEW VENTS? Im not yelling im just trying to be sure people see this. :D
I posted the original photo of the new MacBook Pro 15" vents from the new 15" MacBook Pro Service Manual that you see in more recent posts. I am interested in knowing if the 17" has 6 wider vents or 7 same size vents. Anyone who gets the 17" please let us know ASAP. Thank you for your consideration.
 
i do not see it as a waste at all. i just think the benefit of the 17 outweighs the negatives. and the problem i have is NOT with people saying that the 17 is heavier (it is) or larger (it is) or more expensive (it is). if you want something a little smaller, a little lighter, and a little cheaper than by all means, go for it. its an incredible machine.

the problem i have is people saying its "not portable" or that its "unusable outside of your own office" or that its "gigantic" because all of these opinions are untrue, and anyone who has seen the 15 and the 17 side by side (as i have) and used both a 15 and a 17 in day to day (as i have) and is not habitually hiking across the tundra (i am not) will know that the differences are marginal.
The difference in size isn't marginal though. I have also seen the two side-by-side the the 17" is just too big. If I need more viewing area then I'll buy an LCD monitor. I'm buying a laptop so I can take it wherever, whenever, and the 17" is too big. Let's agree to disagree.
 
anyone who has seen the 15 and the 17 side by side (as i have) and used both a 15 and a 17 in day to day (as i have) and is not habitually hiking across the tundra (i am not) will know that the differences are marginal.

The differences are certainly far from marginal! Having used a 17 for the past 3.5 years, I've gotten used to the extra size and weight, but whenever I pick up a 15 now it seems light as a feather by comparison.

I struggled with the decision, but ordered a 15 this time around. I have 23" monitors in both my work environments, and I carry the thing around every day. Will I miss the screen space? Sometimes. I must admit my decision was influenced by availability; I'll be out of the country for 3 weeks starting Thursday, and really wanted to upgrade before then. But it was a close call anyway.
 
Why pay $200 for 2 more inches and otherwise nearly identical specs? Who would ever do that?:rolleyes:

anyone who wants a larger, higher-rez screen, longer battery life, faster DVD burner, extra firewire port, full speed GPU that ramps to the task at hand and a machine that historically has had much, MUCH less problems with heat and mooing than the 15.

why would you not spend $200 for that? :rolleyes:

and i assure you i do not have any intention of characterizing anyone as stupid, only some of their logic. so if i have offended anyone in that respect, you have my apologies.
 
I must admit my decision was influenced by availability; I'll be out of the country for 3 weeks starting Thursday, and really wanted to upgrade before then. But it was a close call anyway.

THIS IS THE EXACT position I am in. I am leaving the country on thurday as well!! and I want to take MY new 17 inch with me.. but what if they are not available!!! lol

ugggg..
 
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