No, you're right. I think your score makes sense. if and when you add another 1GB of RAM, your score will go up I think. It will also go up if you install the omega drivers from omegadrivers.net instead of the normal catalyst drivers. Someone else here with a base model MBP but with 2GB of RAM got 3800 or so with stock drivers, and almost 4000 with omega drivers.
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No, you're right. I think your score makes sense. if and when you add another 1GB of RAM, your score will go up I think. It will also go up if you install the omega drivers from omegadrivers.net instead of the normal catalyst drivers. Someone else here with a base model MBP but with 2GB of RAM got 3800 or so with stock drivers, and almost 4000 with omega drivers.
Thanks so much! I'll take FPS from whatever games you can get your hands on, but since you are asking
Half life 2
Doom 3
and maybe some older stuff
Medal Of Honor
Call of Duty
RTCW
just ideas ... thanks this info is really lacking - I remember apple used to put some of this info for the ibook/powerbooks on their website - not anymore!
Good news. I can't cancel my 17'' C2D MacBookPro anymore, which means it might be getting made. I check to see if I can cancel it online everyday, because it says:
"1. You have just placed your order and our system may not have processed it yet. Please allow 15 minutes before trying to cancel. In some cases your items will not be eligible for cancellation because we have begun the fulfillment process.
2. Your item has already been shipped.
3. Your item has already been cancelled.
4. Your item was electronically delivered.
5. Your item is being built or is being prepared for shipment and can no longer be cancelled.
6. Your payment method is not supported for online cancellation."
Today around 5 pm est. I could cancel the order online. I just checked at 10:30 and I cannot cancel it anymore. So hopefully it will come soon.
Estimated Ship Date: Nov. 7
Estimated Delievery: Nov. 13
Bought 6 am. PST Oct. 24.
MBPRO 17/2.33 CTO
Z0DR
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
3GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM-1x2GB,1x1GB
100GB Serial ATA Drive@7200rpm
SuperDrive 8X
BkLit Keyboard/Mac OS
"1. You have just placed your order and our system may not have processed it yet. Please allow 15 minutes before trying to cancel. In some cases your items will not be eligible for cancellation because we have begun the fulfillment process.
2. Your item has already been shipped.
3. Your item has already been cancelled.
4. Your item was electronically delivered.
5. Your item is being built or is being prepared for shipment and can no longer be cancelled.
6. Your payment method is not supported for online cancellation."
Today around 5 pm est. I could cancel the order online. I just checked at 10:30 and I cannot cancel it anymore. So hopefully it will come soon.
Estimated Ship Date: Nov. 7
Estimated Delievery: Nov. 13
Bought 6 am. PST Oct. 24.
MBPRO 17/2.33 CTO
Z0DR
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
3GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM-1x2GB,1x1GB
100GB Serial ATA Drive@7200rpm
SuperDrive 8X
BkLit Keyboard/Mac OS
They'll replace it or they'll refund it. There's no way I'm paying $2500 to stare at a dead pixel. I'm anal retentive enough to notice it.
It doesn't mention anything about pixels.
So we can all agree that no 17" (stock or custom) will be shipped before Nov. 7th? Mine was originally schedule for the 7th but I reordered with a printer and now it is the 9th. I guess is does not matter if it is glossy/matte, 2/3GB or 100/160/200 GB as far as ship time. Update if any new info.
My 15" (matte) 2.16/2gb/160 arrived this morning. A few observations, very briefly:
Heat: the palmrests remain very cool, even under heavy loads. The heat sometimes builds up around the F-keys but for the most part is effectively vented out the back. There is considerable airflow through those grilles. In comparison to a Rev.A 12" PB, and a Yonah MacBook, the C2D MBP is *substantially* cooler.
Noise: no strange noises. The fans is fairly loud when it's at full blast but it's not an agonizing whine like some fans (the aforementioned Rev.A 12"). The fan doesn't stay on for long though.
Video performance: first thing I did was a raid in AQ20 in WoW. With all graphics options turned to maximum except terrain distance (min), and full-screen glow on (I like the effect):
Ironforge AH: 30fps
Ironforge elsewhere: 60fps
most outdoor environments: 45fps
AQ20: 26-35fps in combat
The AH numbers are particularly pleasing. This compares quite favorably to the desktop this computer replaces, a 1.83ghz CoreDuo iMac. I am curious to see how it performs in Molten Core on Friday.
Heat: the palmrests remain very cool, even under heavy loads. The heat sometimes builds up around the F-keys but for the most part is effectively vented out the back. There is considerable airflow through those grilles. In comparison to a Rev.A 12" PB, and a Yonah MacBook, the C2D MBP is *substantially* cooler.
Noise: no strange noises. The fans is fairly loud when it's at full blast but it's not an agonizing whine like some fans (the aforementioned Rev.A 12"). The fan doesn't stay on for long though.
Video performance: first thing I did was a raid in AQ20 in WoW. With all graphics options turned to maximum except terrain distance (min), and full-screen glow on (I like the effect):
Ironforge AH: 30fps
Ironforge elsewhere: 60fps
most outdoor environments: 45fps
AQ20: 26-35fps in combat
The AH numbers are particularly pleasing. This compares quite favorably to the desktop this computer replaces, a 1.83ghz CoreDuo iMac. I am curious to see how it performs in Molten Core on Friday.
Thanks so much for this.
I've been playing on my 1.33Ghz/512MB RAM/G4 PB 12" for awhile now. I was getting 10-12fps in Undercity and a whopping 0.1 (no I'm not kidding)-10 fps in ZG. Now...if Orlando would just get a dang glossy in. Someone else in FL said their store had one...should be soon!
For those who already received their new MBPs... LET'S SEE SOME PICS!
I'm very tempted to post a stock pic from apple.com
In all honesty, they look identical to the old MBPs...
MBP Pics
Here are some pics. I must remind you that I was preparing for a haloween party and delivery was supposed to be around 14 november I got the shipment status updated with SHIPPED and delivery on 1st of nov. So here I was preparing for haloween when the apple guy payed me the visit
Also, for the 17 inchers.... the apple guy said (it was 8pm): "I still have 2 more to deliver. Yours is the 15 inch one." I did not ask, but I suppose at least one other was a 17". So they are producing it.
Here is the link:
http://flickr.com/photos/marianmi/284666838/
PS: i am not in USA, i am closer to China
Here are some pics. I must remind you that I was preparing for a haloween party
and delivery was supposed to be around 14 november I got the shipment status updated with SHIPPED and delivery on 1st of nov. So here I was preparing for haloween when the apple guy payed me the visit Also, for the 17 inchers.... the apple guy said (it was 8pm): "I still have 2 more to deliver. Yours is the 15 inch one." I did not ask, but I suppose at least one other was a 17". So they are producing it.
Here is the link:
http://flickr.com/photos/marianmi/284666838/
PS: i am not in USA, i am closer to China
Here are some pics. I must remind you that I was preparing for a haloween party
Also, for the 17 inchers.... the apple guy said (it was 8pm): "I still have 2 more to deliver. Yours is the 15 inch one." I did not ask, but I suppose at least one other was a 17". So they are producing it.
Here is the link:
http://flickr.com/photos/marianmi/284666838/
PS: i am not in USA, i am closer to China
Awesome! Hope you're enjoying life in the big little city.
It doesn't mention pixels because it doesn't consider dead pixels to inherently be a product defect. Read:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=22194
So, they are going to consider 1 dead pixel acceptable, and probably a couple. It doesn't mention their exact policy on dead or stuck pixels though, but I don't think you're going to get them to automatically give a full refund for a single dead pixel or two dead pixels.
Unless you get lucky.
EDIT: More on this here:
http://www.macmerc.com/news/hax0r/1016
Apparently the original document was removed by request of Apple legal, but this still sums up the Apple policy. That is, 7 dead pixels or 5 bright pixels are the requirement for a replacement. Anything less than that and Apple considers it acceptable.
This isn't necessarily unique to Apple though, it seems pretty normal in terms of dead pixel policies.
I would guess that if someone argued enough they could get Apple to make an exception, but it definitely sounds like Apple does have a certain number of dead or stuck pixels (less than 7 dead, less than 5 stuck) that they would consider acceptable.
2nd EDIT: That second document/discussion at least I think might refer to their policy for LCD displays (i.e. Apple Cinema Displays, etc.). Not sure if they have a stated policy for LCD's in MacBooks, iMacs, etc.
Anyone had any experience directly with Apple on this? Would they replace your system if you had one or two dead pixels?
-Zadillo
Doing some more googling, I found that MacRumors might have debunked that macmerc story 3 years ago:
https://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030816235653.shtml
According to that, the dead pixel policy is outdated, and Apple was/is more forgiving.
Anyone have any idea what the current status is? If you get a new MBP and it has 1 or 2 dead pixels, will Apple actually let you replace it without a restocking fee?
https://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030816235653.shtml
According to that, the dead pixel policy is outdated, and Apple was/is more forgiving.
Anyone have any idea what the current status is? If you get a new MBP and it has 1 or 2 dead pixels, will Apple actually let you replace it without a restocking fee?
i don't think apple will relace a machine with two dead pixels, with 5 or more maybe, it also depends where the pixels are on the screen, like it matters much more if they are in the center, less if in the corners, i guess there's no way to know for sure, anly thing is to call apple and ask them.
Hey suwandy,
Looks like you and me both got caught up in Customs hell:
Date Time Location Status
29 Oct 2006 11:03 Shanghai Shipped From Originating Depot
28 Oct 2006 12:39 Shanghai Consignment Received At Transit Point
You're right; since it wasn't released from Customs today (again) the earliest we'll get it is Friday. I'd fly up to Sydney and Xray it myself if it would help...
Anoying thing is I know of at least 2 other people who's MBPs shipped at almost the same time and cleared customs in a few hours on Monday and received theirs Tuesday morning. I guess we lucked out...
how are people with new MBP's doing on battery life?
please post in this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/246845/
please post in this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/246845/
Do you think that the discrepancy is really the result of the difference in system memory, or the amount of video memory?
I'm currently putting together an order for a 15-incher (my first Mac!), and am trying to decide what to spec. I'd like to keep the cost down, but I'd like to be able to do some gaming on this machine as well, so I'm willing to spend the extra cash on the 2.33GHz / 256 MB VRAM model if it makes sense. (I'll be running 2GB of memory regardless of which base configuration I choose.)
Also, has there been any determination as to whether the 160 GB drive is worth the extra money, in terms of performance? The charts at Tom's Hardware seem to be somewhat mixed, with the Hitachi doing well in most of the tests, but not so well in the "Workstation I/O" benchmark.
Dead Pixels
There've been threads on this before - Apple's "dead pixel policy" is similar to other notebook makers: something around 5 total pixels, or a cluster in the center of the screen. 1 or 2 dead pixels isn't going to count, as it's considered "within specs" - for a "zero tolerance" policy on pixels, notebooks would be insanely expensive, and no manufacturer guarantees that, unfortunately.
There are some procedures to "unstick" a "stuck pixel," like gently massaging the screen, and there's a freeware program (can't think of the name off-hand, tho) that rapidly runs through repeating color patterns, to try to accomplish the same.
I've bought 8 different laptops (powerbooks and ibooks) for myself and family members and <crosses fingers!> all have had flawless screens. I hope that no one here gets a MBP with any type of pixel problem
iBorg
There've been threads on this before - Apple's "dead pixel policy" is similar to other notebook makers: something around 5 total pixels, or a cluster in the center of the screen. 1 or 2 dead pixels isn't going to count, as it's considered "within specs" - for a "zero tolerance" policy on pixels, notebooks would be insanely expensive, and no manufacturer guarantees that, unfortunately.
There are some procedures to "unstick" a "stuck pixel," like gently massaging the screen, and there's a freeware program (can't think of the name off-hand, tho) that rapidly runs through repeating color patterns, to try to accomplish the same.
I've bought 8 different laptops (powerbooks and ibooks) for myself and family members and <crosses fingers!> all have had flawless screens. I hope that no one here gets a MBP with any type of pixel problem
iBorg
The New C2D Cooling Vents On Rear Is NOT A Minor Change It Is A Radical Improvement
One glance back there and you know immediately that anyone hanging on to one of those old mobile Macs with all the pin sized holes is hanging on to a really sad past chapter in the history of mobile computing. It's so radically different back there that the difference in performance is guaranteed to be so much better with the new design - enough difference to never want anything to do with a mobile Mac containing the former design.
Combined with the new minimum fan speed of 2k RPM up from 1k RPM, the new C2D MacBook Pros are NEVER going to get hot.
Maybe you need to look again to get how radically superior the new vent design is:
1. Top is the old 73 pin size hole system that makes it almost impossible for ANY air to escape from the HOT interior - combined with the too slow 1k RPM minimum fan speed.
2. Next is the new 6 Wide Thick Air Vents that make it almost impossible for ANY hot air to remain inside long enough for the system to get anything more than luke warm - combined with the new 2k RPM minimum fan speed.
3. Wide shot of the new vents.
4. Close up of a few vents where you can see the logic board inside they are SO BIG.
I don't see how you can characterize the new cooling vents on the back as "very minor". There is nothing "minor" about going from 73 teeny tiney itsy bitsy patheticly small holes to 6 Gigantic Vent Ports so big you can see the logic board inside.
One glance back there and you know immediately that anyone hanging on to one of those old mobile Macs with all the pin sized holes is hanging on to a really sad past chapter in the history of mobile computing. It's so radically different back there that the difference in performance is guaranteed to be so much better with the new design - enough difference to never want anything to do with a mobile Mac containing the former design.
Combined with the new minimum fan speed of 2k RPM up from 1k RPM, the new C2D MacBook Pros are NEVER going to get hot.
Maybe you need to look again to get how radically superior the new vent design is:
1. Top is the old 73 pin size hole system that makes it almost impossible for ANY air to escape from the HOT interior - combined with the too slow 1k RPM minimum fan speed.
2. Next is the new 6 Wide Thick Air Vents that make it almost impossible for ANY hot air to remain inside long enough for the system to get anything more than luke warm - combined with the new 2k RPM minimum fan speed.
3. Wide shot of the new vents.
4. Close up of a few vents where you can see the logic board inside they are SO BIG.
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Typing this from my MBP....I was ready for the worst, but it is not hot AT ALL. I have been using it for a while, and the palmrests basically feel like the computer is off. The bottom of it feels hot of course, but I actually think it's cooler than my 1 GHz iBook G4. Definitely usable on the lap. I've used older MBPs, with the scalding hot bottoms, and this is completely different.
Y'know, I was sortof nervous about the more exposed logic board for a minute, too, but, besides aliens and cold air, I cant think of much that'd be able to get into the big holes that couldn't get into the small ones. Dust? Ants? I dunno. I can't imagine there's much to lose by making the vents so enormous...and we all know there's lots to gain.
...plus, now we'll all have bitchin' new alien habitats.