You'll probably find PostgreSQL a better Oracle replacement, though on OS X it's more involved to get it up and running. I'm not "advocating" particularly - it's just that PostgreSQL datatypes, procedural language etc etc are a better match to Oracle. If you're doing ORM with say Hibernate or JPA then I guess it doesn't matter so much, & MySQL comes with some nice dev tools
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You'll probably find PostgreSQL a better Oracle replacement, though on OS X it's more involved to get it up and running. I'm not "advocating" particularly - it's just that PostgreSQL datatypes, procedural language etc etc are a better match to Oracle. If you're doing ORM with say Hibernate or JPA then I guess it doesn't matter so much, & MySQL comes with some nice dev tools
How's That 200GB Fujitsu Treating You Mr. Willy?
Also is yours a 15"? You forgot to say what size in your sig.
Thanks. That's exactly what I imagined. Please tell us how you find the speed of the 200GB Fujitsu HD. Lots here were scared off by luke-warm reviews. Were their fears warranted? Does it feel snappy enough for you? Thanks in advance for helping us understand this option from someone who actually has one.
Also is yours a 15"? You forgot to say what size in your sig.
One glance back there and you know immediately that anyone hanging on to one of those old mobile Macs with all the pin sized holes is hanging on to a really sad past chapter in the history of mobile computing. It's so radically different back there that the difference in performance is guaranteed to be so much better with the new design - enough difference to never want anything to do with a mobile Mac containing the former design.
Combined with the new minimum fan speed of 2k RPM up from 1k RPM, the new C2D MacBook Pros are NEVER going to get hot.
So glad I waited those few extra weeks
Thanks. That's exactly what I imagined. Please tell us how you find the speed of the 200GB Fujitsu HD. Lots here were scared off by luke-warm reviews. Were their fears warranted? Does it feel snappy enough for you? Thanks in advance for helping us understand this option from someone who actually has one.
Also is yours a 15"? You forgot to say what size in your sig.
Yeah, it's a 15"...might be good to add in the sig.
About the disk speed, my XBench disk scores were about 85% of the disk scores on a 120gb, 5400 MBP. Not bad at all. But I'm not sure how that compares to the 160gb, 5400 drive (greater bit density implies better speed).
For everyday tasks, it seems totally fine. But the only thing I have to compare it to is an iBook, so I don't know.
But I was just playing around with the universal FCP, and the speed is phenomenal. And anyone who says that you will drop frames importing DV on a 4200 rpm drive is just completely wrong. I've been importing video on a 4200 rpm, 60gb iBook G4 for years, and it's been fine.
I don't see how you can characterize the new cooling vents on the back as "very minor". There is nothing "minor" about going from 73 teeny tiney itsy bitsy patheticly small holes to 6 Gigantic Vent Ports so big you can see the logic board inside.
One glance back there and you know immediately that anyone hanging on to one of those old mobile Macs with all the pin sized holes is hanging on to a really sad past chapter in the history of mobile computing. It's so radically different back there that the difference in performance is guaranteed to be so much better with the new design - enough difference to never want anything to do with a mobile Mac containing the former design.
Combined with the new minimum fan speed of 2k RPM up from 1k RPM, the new C2D MacBook Pros are NEVER going to get hot.
Maybe you need to look again to get how radically superior the new vent design is:
1. Top is the old 73 pin size hole system that makes it almost impossible for ANY air to escape from the HOT interior - combined with the too slow 1k RPM minimum fan speed.
2. Next is the new 6 Wide Thick Air Vents that make it almost impossible for ANY hot air to remain inside long enough for the system to get anything more than luke warm - combined with the new 2k RPM minimum fan speed.
3. Wide shot of the new vents.
4. Close up of a few vents where you can see the logic board inside they are SO BIG.
lol multimedia you are seriously enthusiastic about the new cooling system.
i'm glad I bought this instead of the past MBP, but I'm starting to think i should have waited. apparently ... and I have this from a very reputable source .... cough .... cough .... the man him self ... SJ, that the next gen MBP with santa rosa is going to have an even better cooling system - it's a radical step forward, which no doubt will be compared to the lunar landing as a technological breakthrough.
Yes folks, they've decided to leave the back off the G3 MBP all together.
Mr. Willy Reports The Fujitsu 200 Feels Fast With FCP UB?
So you think this puppy will capture an HDV feed just fine? You have already tried editing with the internal 200 and it feels fast?
FCP UB will be my #1 application on a 17" 2.33/3GB/?which drive?
So you think this puppy will capture an HDV feed just fine? You have already tried editing with the internal 200 and it feels fast?
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here it is, the cooling system for the santa rosa MBPs
Yes folks, they've decided to leave the back off the G3 MBP all together.
here it is, the cooling system for the santa rosa MBPs
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I just looked up the part number for the 60gb hd that's in this TiBook, and according to this site, it, too, is 4200rpm. That may be common knowledge, but for the three years I've had this, I had no idea and never even bothered to check. I never felt like the hd was what was making this machine slow, but I guess that's a possibility. The MBP I've orderd has the 160GB drive, which should, by all accounts, be appreciably faster than this one. I was afraid the 4200rpm, 200gb drive was just going to be intolerably slow, but I guess it wouldn't be any slower (in fact, it'd probably be faster) than this one.
...then again, why would I bother "upgrading" to a machine that's the same speed as this one?
...then again, why would I bother "upgrading" to a machine that's the same speed as this one?
I just looked up the part number for the 60gb hd that's in this TiBook, and according to this site, it, too, is 4200rpm. That may be common knowledge, but for the three years I've had this, I had no idea and never even bothered to check. I never felt like the hd was what was making this machine slow, but I guess that's a possibility. The MBP I've orderd has the 160GB drive, which should, by all accounts, be appreciably faster than this one. I was afraid the 4200rpm, 200gb drive was just going to be intolerably slow, but I guess it wouldn't be any slower (in fact, it'd probably be faster) than this one.
...then again, why would I bother "upgrading" to a machine that's the same speed as this one?
For the past (almost) 4 years, I've been using this 1GHz TiBook, which initially came with a 60GB 4200rpm HD - 6 months later, I upgraded to an 80GB 5400rpm HD, and found it to be noticeably faster!
That doesn't mean that the 200GB HD at 4200 would be a major slow-down, but I'd be reluctant to "throttle down" this beast with a slow HD! If I fill the 160GB HD, I'll have to carry an external along (they're not very big to carry!), or upgrade to a larger HD myself.
1 MORE DAY!!!
iBorg
The MBP I've orderd has the 160GB drive, which should, by all accounts, be appreciably faster than this one. I was afraid the 4200rpm, 200gb drive was just going to be intolerably slow, but I guess it wouldn't be any slower (in fact, it'd probably be faster) than this one.
...then again, why would I bother "upgrading" to a machine that's the same speed as this one?
No, it's not the same speed. 200GB/4200rpm HDD today can transfer data at 150MB/s and it's theoretically 1.5 times faster than the one you had.
My C2D MBP came with Toshiba's 200GB HDD (MK2035GSS; PMR) and
I think it sometimes reads/writes faster than 7200rpm HDD on MBP/1.8GHz
Take a look at this comparison:
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc1=158432&doc2=199097
Oops, it's not a fair comparison because MBP/1.8GHz used older version of XBench. See this one instead (MBP/2GHz).
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc1=199097&doc2=197996
One glance back there and you know immediately that anyone hanging on to one of those old Quad G5s with all the liquid cooling prone to leaking and 9 fans is hanging on to a really sad past chapter in the history of desktop computing. It's so radically different in the Mac Pro that the difference in performance is guaranteed to be so much better with the new design - enough difference to never want anything to do with a Quad G5 containing the former design.
Rings true doesn't it?
The C2D MacBook Pros have the potential to generate more heat than the previous models, and this is why they need the larger venting volume. The C2D CPU can generate more heat, along with the up-clocked graphics chip and to a lesser extent the faster DVD burner. You could argue that they've had to increased the minimum fan speed to keep the heat within current specs, not to reduce it.
I've used several CD MBPs that functioned perfectly, no excessive heat or fan noise, easily usuable on a lap for normal usage.
Apple seemed to have had quality control problems with earlier runs of the MacBook Pro (and MacBook for that matter). The fact there are lots of happy owners out there with cool running machines means it was not a design flaw, which is what you are suggesting, but QC.
I'm selling my MBP for financial reasons, but it's easily the best, fastest but quietest laptop I've ever used, let alone owned. For you to be slagging these models off, along with their users, is your opinion and that's fine, but I certainly don't agree with you.
Mine finally got marked as shipped. Yay!
However, the original estimate was Shipped By 2nd, Delivered By 9th.
The current Delivery date on the Apple website is the 13th.
If it doesn't get here earlier than that I'll be rather upset (It's coming to my office just outside London).
However, the original estimate was Shipped By 2nd, Delivered By 9th.
The current Delivery date on the Apple website is the 13th.
If it doesn't get here earlier than that I'll be rather upset (It's coming to my office just outside London).
Thanks. That's exactly what I imagined. Please tell us how you find the speed of the 200GB Fujitsu HD. Lots here were scared off by luke-warm reviews. Were their fears warranted? Does it feel snappy enough for you? Thanks in advance for helping us understand this option from someone who actually has one.
Who said they are Fujitsu? I havn't seen anybody confirm they are Fujitsu.
Docking Station For Mac Laptops?
No kidding. I'm currently stuck with a D600 and I can't wait to see the back of it, preferably exiting the window at high velocity. To be fair, however, I'm sure that part of the problem is that it's only got 512MB RAM because my company keeps imposing cost freezes that prevents it from getting upgraded to the 1GB that might make it usable.
I suspect that the only thing that I will miss is the docking station for the laptop that makes it nice and quick to get setup when I arrive in the office. I wonder why Apple doesn't make docking stations for its laptops since I'm sure that'd make a nice revenue stream for them. It's definitely a pain in the ass to have to plug in power, network, USB and VGA cables each morning whereas the Dell's docking station has all of that ready connected. Missed opportunity?
I ordered my stock 17" c2d MBP last Tuesday around 10am PDT... Still see an estimated ship date of Nov 7
This thursday is the 7th business day after ordering, hopefully it'll ship this week. Has anyone else who ordered on the first day of availability seen their macbook's ship yet?
I'm eager to ditch this crappy Dell D610 work gave me. I'm sure Apple would appreciate it if I didn't hit the order status page 12 times a day, but, oh well
No kidding. I'm currently stuck with a D600 and I can't wait to see the back of it, preferably exiting the window at high velocity. To be fair, however, I'm sure that part of the problem is that it's only got 512MB RAM because my company keeps imposing cost freezes that prevents it from getting upgraded to the 1GB that might make it usable.
I suspect that the only thing that I will miss is the docking station for the laptop that makes it nice and quick to get setup when I arrive in the office. I wonder why Apple doesn't make docking stations for its laptops since I'm sure that'd make a nice revenue stream for them. It's definitely a pain in the ass to have to plug in power, network, USB and VGA cables each morning whereas the Dell's docking station has all of that ready connected. Missed opportunity?
Received
Had an initial ship date of Oct 31 for an order placed on the 24th at 11am for a 2.33 15" 160GB Glossy.
Got shipping notice on Sunday Evening 10/29 (USA, Eastern Standard Time) from Shanghi. Package arrived at my door 10/31 at 10:15am.
The package size is 4.7 kg and is about 20" square by 5".
Had an initial ship date of Oct 31 for an order placed on the 24th at 11am for a 2.33 15" 160GB Glossy.
Got shipping notice on Sunday Evening 10/29 (USA, Eastern Standard Time) from Shanghi. Package arrived at my door 10/31 at 10:15am.
The package size is 4.7 kg and is about 20" square by 5".
Get wireless keyboard, mouse, wireless networking. Most people won't need a monitor with the 17" screen. That just leaves the power cable.
Crap... my C2D Mbp was shipped on sunday and was supposed to be delivered tomorrow. Now the shipping status at TNT says:
31 Oct 2006 19:00 Pudong International Airport Potential Connection Delay
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31 Oct 2006 19:00 Pudong International Airport Potential Connection Delay
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hey sycho - -
The fedex site doesnt have any updates, but for some reason iSnoop says:
11/01/06 02:17 pm: Left Fedex Ramp.
I'm not so sure how long the flight is - - I dont know what timezone is used on the updates people are getting.
I'm wondering how iSnoop could be updated before FedEx - - but at any rate, it's a good chance our mbps are on their way to alaska...
I am exactly the same. Check the TNT tracking thread. Ring TNT and ask them to put a trace on it to see what happened. Then post back on the tracking thread with their response.
They told me it's still on schedule for a delivery next monday (too far...).
Battery Life
Hi Everyone,
After going through the calibration cycles with my new MMBP, I used it last night in somewhat "typical" usage to see how the battery fared. Starting with a full battery, I ran for about 3:30, while doing the following:
1. Installing CS2 Suite
2. Installing several downloaded freeware programs
3. Downloading and installing widgets
4. Burning a DL DVD.
5. Using the MBP to check email, reply, etc.
I was pretty much multuitasking the whole time, and I could see getting a good 4 hours at least while doing my "normal routine." Also, the screen brightness was left at default (midpoint) and my bluetooth and airport were both on.
Just thought I would report that. Again, not a real scientific measure, but I think its a fairly good "real world" situation.
Have a good one,
Neuroguy
Hi Everyone,
After going through the calibration cycles with my new MMBP, I used it last night in somewhat "typical" usage to see how the battery fared. Starting with a full battery, I ran for about 3:30, while doing the following:
1. Installing CS2 Suite
2. Installing several downloaded freeware programs
3. Downloading and installing widgets
4. Burning a DL DVD.
5. Using the MBP to check email, reply, etc.
I was pretty much multuitasking the whole time, and I could see getting a good 4 hours at least while doing my "normal routine." Also, the screen brightness was left at default (midpoint) and my bluetooth and airport were both on.
Just thought I would report that. Again, not a real scientific measure, but I think its a fairly good "real world" situation.
Have a good one,
Neuroguy